Flying in the Persian/Arabian Gulf
No I don't operate to it, but I did email the hotel, their reply was
The helipad restrictions can be summarised as follows:
7.5 Ton MTOW
Diameter 20m
Category A or Class 1 rotorcraft only.
Hope this helps
V.
The helipad restrictions can be summarised as follows:
7.5 Ton MTOW
Diameter 20m
Category A or Class 1 rotorcraft only.
Hope this helps
V.
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Last I heard, Aerogulf weren't able to accept co-pilots due to a contract requirement for 100 hours, 212 time.
Abu Dhabi Aviation is Capt. only too, unless you are a local.
Can't answer your Gulf Helicopters question.
Abu Dhabi Aviation is Capt. only too, unless you are a local.
Can't answer your Gulf Helicopters question.
I have a friend that flies as 412 captain for Gulf helicopters in Iran. He makes $381.- pr day when at work. Nothing for time away on leave.
The work schedule in Iran is 4/4 weeks.
I was offered a copilot position about 2-3 years ago on their B-230. pay was to be $172.- I declined the offer
The work schedule in Iran is 4/4 weeks.
I was offered a copilot position about 2-3 years ago on their B-230. pay was to be $172.- I declined the offer
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Update on Helicopter operators in the Arabian Gulf
Hi All
This is an update for what my friend-Autorotate- posted.
Arabian Helicopters are no longer in business. Saudi Aramco contact is below:-
Saudi Aramco
Box 530 Tanajib
Aviation Department
phone (966) 3 378 4085
Fax (966) 3 378 3984
Saudi Arabia 31311
Email of Chief Pilot - Adel A. Al-Aboud
[email protected]
This is an update for what my friend-Autorotate- posted.
Arabian Helicopters are no longer in business. Saudi Aramco contact is below:-
Saudi Aramco
Box 530 Tanajib
Aviation Department
phone (966) 3 378 4085
Fax (966) 3 378 3984
Saudi Arabia 31311
Email of Chief Pilot - Adel A. Al-Aboud
[email protected]
Dis-Mystery,
Take your own life jacket would be the only piece of advice I have. All the good people they had have left due to pay and conditions, very high turnover of pilots and engineers.
About four years ago, to be considered to work at Gulf as an Engineer, you had to have 5 years experience on either 212s or 412s. Now they are advertising for Engineers, and they ask that you have a rating on 212/412, but they will also consider you with helicopter experience, and licenced without type rating. Hmmm, seems they have runout of people to recruit, as far as engineering goes anyway.
Good luck!!!!!!
noooby
Take your own life jacket would be the only piece of advice I have. All the good people they had have left due to pay and conditions, very high turnover of pilots and engineers.
About four years ago, to be considered to work at Gulf as an Engineer, you had to have 5 years experience on either 212s or 412s. Now they are advertising for Engineers, and they ask that you have a rating on 212/412, but they will also consider you with helicopter experience, and licenced without type rating. Hmmm, seems they have runout of people to recruit, as far as engineering goes anyway.
Good luck!!!!!!
noooby
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wages...
Aesir: My calculator is working doubletime here =) It would be interesting to know what percent the taxes are down there ?
Also, when you write 4/4, that means work 4 weeks, off 4 weeks? Does that mean you take the daily pay times 30 and get what you make in 2 months ? I'm new to this way of describing the wages.
Also, do most pilots leave for home during their 4 weeks off ? In that case does the company help anything with the hometrip ?
Thank you
RotorSwede
Also, when you write 4/4, that means work 4 weeks, off 4 weeks? Does that mean you take the daily pay times 30 and get what you make in 2 months ? I'm new to this way of describing the wages.
Also, do most pilots leave for home during their 4 weeks off ? In that case does the company help anything with the hometrip ?
Thank you
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so back to the original question.......... what do the Capt/Co's get paid at Gulf H/Aba ... ! ok slight addon to the original one
PS. if anyone has the info id also be interested in the fixed wing rates at Aba
Cheers
PS. if anyone has the info id also be interested in the fixed wing rates at Aba
Cheers
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RS,
I knew a Swede who lived part of his time in N. America and part of his time in Sweden. In this exampl, make sure that your place of domicile is the furthest (and therefore) most expensive destination from Doha. In this example if you had suggested Stockholm was your place of domicile and on the second and third tours you wanted to vist your other home in N America, the extra cost will be borne by you.
NC43
I knew a Swede who lived part of his time in N. America and part of his time in Sweden. In this exampl, make sure that your place of domicile is the furthest (and therefore) most expensive destination from Doha. In this example if you had suggested Stockholm was your place of domicile and on the second and third tours you wanted to vist your other home in N America, the extra cost will be borne by you.
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I see there are six, yes six, engineer adverts for Gulf helicopters on the first page of Aviation job search(helicopter jobs section). Three different companies are trying to get people to work there with grossly embelished terms and conditions. I think they are becoming desperate. It's amazing how they can pay these agency fees but can't give the people working there (not many now) a pay rise to stop them leaving, classic bean counter economics
I think a door falling off might be the least of their worries before too much longer. We all know who'll wear the can for that, and don't expect any support from the yes men in charge, they'll be covering their own backsides as usual.
I think a door falling off might be the least of their worries before too much longer. We all know who'll wear the can for that, and don't expect any support from the yes men in charge, they'll be covering their own backsides as usual.
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Re Gulf Helicopters:
1. One licenced engineer resigned last week
2. Three licenced engineers resigned on Sunday (first day of the working week in Qatar)
3. Two more licenced engineers will resign within a couple of weeks.
Today they had 5 a/c available from a fleet of ten in Doha. The hangar is like a traffic jam - they keep towing them inside but there's no one to work on them!
To the gent who hinted that it can't be all that bad or all the pilots will leave. This might be true for pilots from most western countries but Gulf Helis, is now recruiting pilots from South America and other places, who come because they think the pay is unbelievably good (in comparison to there home countries) and know nothing of what's really happening in the company.
The locals have discovered the global economy so look out :-)
1. One licenced engineer resigned last week
2. Three licenced engineers resigned on Sunday (first day of the working week in Qatar)
3. Two more licenced engineers will resign within a couple of weeks.
Today they had 5 a/c available from a fleet of ten in Doha. The hangar is like a traffic jam - they keep towing them inside but there's no one to work on them!
To the gent who hinted that it can't be all that bad or all the pilots will leave. This might be true for pilots from most western countries but Gulf Helis, is now recruiting pilots from South America and other places, who come because they think the pay is unbelievably good (in comparison to there home countries) and know nothing of what's really happening in the company.
The locals have discovered the global economy so look out :-)
Outhouse,
I cannot speak for GHC...but it does get that bad at other places....a real crunch occurs...then the greedy wallahs in the front office have to change their ways....hire and re-hire....invest in the operation and people and then things get better again.
The shame of it all is the hate and discontent that the Universal Helicopter Operator We Will Show You Cycle causes to the Engineers and Pilots. The Boyo's in the Ivory Towers forget the folks that fly and maintain the aircraft are an integral element of the success of the company....and for the sake of a few Dollars ....they run off the good help, the help, and finally the hangers on.....until the wagon breaks down. Then the cycle starts over.
I have been doing this since 1972....the trick is picking out which outfit is on the way up from the bottom point of the curve and ride that wagon until it crests and leave before it starts down the other side. Every single one of the major operators have undergone this experience at least once if not several times.
The pity is there is no competition for GHC.....thus rates are not an issue nor competitive pressure....it should simply be a money machine for all concerned. I would suspect that old thing called GREED trips up the works.
I cannot speak for GHC...but it does get that bad at other places....a real crunch occurs...then the greedy wallahs in the front office have to change their ways....hire and re-hire....invest in the operation and people and then things get better again.
The shame of it all is the hate and discontent that the Universal Helicopter Operator We Will Show You Cycle causes to the Engineers and Pilots. The Boyo's in the Ivory Towers forget the folks that fly and maintain the aircraft are an integral element of the success of the company....and for the sake of a few Dollars ....they run off the good help, the help, and finally the hangers on.....until the wagon breaks down. Then the cycle starts over.
I have been doing this since 1972....the trick is picking out which outfit is on the way up from the bottom point of the curve and ride that wagon until it crests and leave before it starts down the other side. Every single one of the major operators have undergone this experience at least once if not several times.
The pity is there is no competition for GHC.....thus rates are not an issue nor competitive pressure....it should simply be a money machine for all concerned. I would suspect that old thing called GREED trips up the works.
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Ah well, last time I checked, the old law of supply and demand applies to everyone who hung out their shingle.
Logic dictates sooner or later there are more departures than HR can replace in the same time frame. And we all know that once the difficult questions start being asked, it's only a matter of time before things change..........................that is of course, once the requisite amount of internal blood letting is dispensed with and they start dealing with the issue properly.
Logic dictates sooner or later there are more departures than HR can replace in the same time frame. And we all know that once the difficult questions start being asked, it's only a matter of time before things change..........................that is of course, once the requisite amount of internal blood letting is dispensed with and they start dealing with the issue properly.
Step one to curing the problem is to sack all the HR assets....and go back to the old way....Chief Pilot recruits and interviews...hires and fires....and has an assistant to do the paperwork. Chief Engineer recruit and interview....hire and fire....and have an admin assistant to do the paperwork.
They cut back on the working staff....and keep the damn drones around!
They cut back on the working staff....and keep the damn drones around!
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Hi outhouse
If you were with Gulf Helis more than 2 years ago, then I'd expect you'd think all these negative comments were "a bit over the top". However, the tables have turned, big time. Gulf Helis now has a local GM who quite plainly states that he wants to Islamise the company. Even the Admin Manual now states that the priority for hiring is:
1. Qataris
2. Muslims
3. Others
His plan to save the company from all the engineering departures is to fill the hangar with engineers from Nigeria and Egypt.
In summary, with one of the engineering management team just about to resign because he thinks Gulf Helis' engineering department is untenable, the situation is dangerous.
I understand that, if you need the hours or the money, this will simply be seen as scaremongering and you will go. This is normally the case in this industry.
Good luck.
If you were with Gulf Helis more than 2 years ago, then I'd expect you'd think all these negative comments were "a bit over the top". However, the tables have turned, big time. Gulf Helis now has a local GM who quite plainly states that he wants to Islamise the company. Even the Admin Manual now states that the priority for hiring is:
1. Qataris
2. Muslims
3. Others
His plan to save the company from all the engineering departures is to fill the hangar with engineers from Nigeria and Egypt.
In summary, with one of the engineering management team just about to resign because he thinks Gulf Helis' engineering department is untenable, the situation is dangerous.
I understand that, if you need the hours or the money, this will simply be seen as scaremongering and you will go. This is normally the case in this industry.
Good luck.