Flying in the Persian/Arabian Gulf
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Thanks fellas. I am of the same opinion that Gulf is in a data collection mode, since the Baby boomers are retiring keeping a company going will mean a large data base of young hopefuls that are willing to work for saw dust.
Thanks noobe for your honest appraisal of the situation. I checked out their web site and one of the first things they ask is "what is your expected income", fairly opened ended, some will reply "lots" others will reply some figure not even close to what working in DOHA is worth. Coupled with your comments about difficulties with allowances, I think I'll steer clear of a potential nightmare. Question is what are GH going to do with their ever expanding data base of pilots info?? Lets hope no call centers calling at 2 am while your in the rack advertsing cheap phone plans??
Big turn over is a little scary for the pros as no one wants to work for jam sandwiches or get caught up with s- -t management.
More replies welcome.
Give it some!!!!
Thanks noobe for your honest appraisal of the situation. I checked out their web site and one of the first things they ask is "what is your expected income", fairly opened ended, some will reply "lots" others will reply some figure not even close to what working in DOHA is worth. Coupled with your comments about difficulties with allowances, I think I'll steer clear of a potential nightmare. Question is what are GH going to do with their ever expanding data base of pilots info?? Lets hope no call centers calling at 2 am while your in the rack advertsing cheap phone plans??
Big turn over is a little scary for the pros as no one wants to work for jam sandwiches or get caught up with s- -t management.
More replies welcome.
Give it some!!!!
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Noooby is correct. The place is a disaster. A new "LOCAL" GM has been crowned and the place just keeps getting worse. Just a fraction under 60% turnover of pilots in 2004. My guess is that engineering was about the same.
The oil companies recently went to the Oil Minister to complain about the company's poor performance but he and the "LOCAL" board of directors simply closed ranks around the GM and nothing happened.
Conaco Phillips is so worried about the poor performance of the company that they've placed a permanent auditor at Gulf Helis to monitor the maintneance of their machine and the qualifications of the pilots flying their contract.
Also Doha had its first suicide car bomber a couple of months ago.
The oil companies recently went to the Oil Minister to complain about the company's poor performance but he and the "LOCAL" board of directors simply closed ranks around the GM and nothing happened.
Conaco Phillips is so worried about the poor performance of the company that they've placed a permanent auditor at Gulf Helis to monitor the maintneance of their machine and the qualifications of the pilots flying their contract.
Also Doha had its first suicide car bomber a couple of months ago.
Sounds like mixed reports from what I hear...
The Middle East pay lags the market....even an experienced offshore pilot flying Day VFR 206's in the GOM can start at $56,000 which matches the GHC pay (within about $2,000) but includes medical insurance, self funded pension with company match, paid holidays....thus probably exceeds GHC).
There are only so many "cheap" pilots to be hired....
The Middle East pay lags the market....even an experienced offshore pilot flying Day VFR 206's in the GOM can start at $56,000 which matches the GHC pay (within about $2,000) but includes medical insurance, self funded pension with company match, paid holidays....thus probably exceeds GHC).
There are only so many "cheap" pilots to be hired....
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S**t happens. They will hire pilots of all experience levels, some who need the money, some who can't get a job with the more reputable firms (if there are any oif them left), some who need the hours and so on. It's life.
No offence, just IMHO.
Cheers,
NEO.
No offence, just IMHO.
Cheers,
NEO.
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Fish smell from the head down
Thanks Fellas fairly obvious that GHC wants individual contracts for aircrew. In a nutshell because you don't know the start point for negotiations you could end up working along side some one doing the same job for less $$$$$$.
While I accept as NEO states "S- - t Happens" I'd Rather Iron my d - - k than end up shafted by the Curry consuming mafia. $120k current Sikorsky job is still looking good compared to whats on offfer. The Grass may be greener but usually needs a slasher once you get there.
Bit of a worry if the Chief pilots job is also advertised. GHC sounds like its in a melt down. Hope the guys have access to a life raft or parachute. I'd be looking for a "Martin Baker" let down right about now.
Thanks for the advice fellas. Iv'e seen and heard enough.
Giveitsome.
While I accept as NEO states "S- - t Happens" I'd Rather Iron my d - - k than end up shafted by the Curry consuming mafia. $120k current Sikorsky job is still looking good compared to whats on offfer. The Grass may be greener but usually needs a slasher once you get there.
Bit of a worry if the Chief pilots job is also advertised. GHC sounds like its in a melt down. Hope the guys have access to a life raft or parachute. I'd be looking for a "Martin Baker" let down right about now.
Thanks for the advice fellas. Iv'e seen and heard enough.
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It would also seem that there are quite a few "hirings" comming from the "spanish speaking" parts of the world ....while they are real nice guys ... the mix of "indilish" and "spanish" accents can make for interesting comprehension experience over the radio!!!!! .....especially when traffic is BUSY! Ke!
I'd be interested to hear of any update. Our customers here received a pitch (for training 6 cadets) from Horizon, covering all aspects from pre-course English-language training through to GCAA-licence issue, the other week. No mention of the required twin-engine training in the pitch though, and one or 2 other gaps in the presentation. How viable are Horizon looking right now? What questions should prospective customers be asking (apart from "how come you've gone through so many CFIs/ other flying instructors lately?")?
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My sources tell me that nothing has changed except more staff leaving. The GM still has no grasp of reality and enjoys ******* people. He apparently did his best to screw the old CFI, after he had left, depite all the good work he had done.
Good questions might include how come most proffesional training schools look at graduating 80-90 % of pilots. Horizon with a lower entry standard of students, has graduated 100% since the management changes. With all the turmoil at Horizon, is their any chance that the standards of a GCAA CPL are somewhat below those required by ICAO?
Good questions might include how come most proffesional training schools look at graduating 80-90 % of pilots. Horizon with a lower entry standard of students, has graduated 100% since the management changes. With all the turmoil at Horizon, is their any chance that the standards of a GCAA CPL are somewhat below those required by ICAO?
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Heli Dubai Launches in UAE
Heli Dubai launches the United Arab Emirates first VIP helicopter service
http://www.ameinfo.com/60008.html
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http://www.ameinfo.com/60008.html
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New helicopter operator in Dubai!!!
Government of Dubai launches a new VIP helicopter service
http://www.ameinfo.com/60008.html
Heli Dubai launches the United Arab Emirates first VIP helicopter service.
Heli Dubai, established by the Government of Dubai, was launched officially in Dubai and the UAE during the Arabian Travel Market held during the first week of May 2005 at the World Trade Centre Exhibition Arena in Dubai.
United Arab Emirates: Saturday, May 14 - 2005 at 16:14 GMT+4
Heli Dubai operates a mixed fleet of Agusta 109E Power Helicopters and Agusta Bell 412 helicopters.
His Highness General Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Crown Prince of Dubai and Commander of UAE Armed Forces, established Heli Dubai in 2004 to provide a new standard of helicopter services both in Dubai and the UAE. Heli Dubai has further plans for expansion into the regional and global market, both onshore and offshore, in line with the policy of the Government of Dubai to be a centre of excellence for all aspects of the aviation industry.
Heli Dubai operates a mixed fleet of Agusta 109E Power Helicopters and Agusta Bell 412 helicopters.
The flagship aircraft is the Agusta 109E Power. This helicopter is configured as a five passenger, fast (maximum speed is 168 knots or 312 km-per-hour), VIP corporate transport aircraft. It offers a full leather interior, air-conditioning, a quiet cabin, and twin-engine safety in the most powerful helicopter of its class in the world. At present Heli Dubai has two of these aircraft operational with two more of the stretched version, known as the Grande, on order for delivery in 2006.
Heli Dubai has been recognised for the level of safety and comfort it offers by being the official aviation service partner for the Jumeirah International group. Heli Dubai is the only civil operator allowed to conduct public transport operations to the Burj Al Arab using the Agusta 109 helicopter.
The AB412's are undergoing a complete re-design of the main passenger cabin from 9 basic seats to an all business class configuration in a quiet cabin, with 8 forward facing seats, providing increased leg room for greater comfort and improved passenger viewing. Provision has also been made for in-flight refreshments. The AB 412 maximum speed is 145 knots or 267 km-per-hour. The first helicopter will be available for charter in September for the winter season.
The second AB 412 will be available at the end of the year and Heli Dubai is also in negotiation for the acquisition of at least two other light and medium twin-engine helicopter types which will allow greater mission flexibility.
Ibrahim Redha Ali, Chief Executive, Heli Dubai, says 'Heli Dubai is ready to launch itself into both the Gulf Region and onto the international helicopter markets, following the vision of the Ruler of Dubai, to establish Dubai as the centre of excellence for this exciting and challenging branch of aviation. We intend to be a world class competitor and by investing in both the best of machines and the best of staff, we will be.'
Heli Dubai offers airport to airport, hotel to hotel and tailored packages.
Should be interesting!!!!
http://www.ameinfo.com/60008.html
Heli Dubai launches the United Arab Emirates first VIP helicopter service.
Heli Dubai, established by the Government of Dubai, was launched officially in Dubai and the UAE during the Arabian Travel Market held during the first week of May 2005 at the World Trade Centre Exhibition Arena in Dubai.
United Arab Emirates: Saturday, May 14 - 2005 at 16:14 GMT+4
Heli Dubai operates a mixed fleet of Agusta 109E Power Helicopters and Agusta Bell 412 helicopters.
His Highness General Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Crown Prince of Dubai and Commander of UAE Armed Forces, established Heli Dubai in 2004 to provide a new standard of helicopter services both in Dubai and the UAE. Heli Dubai has further plans for expansion into the regional and global market, both onshore and offshore, in line with the policy of the Government of Dubai to be a centre of excellence for all aspects of the aviation industry.
Heli Dubai operates a mixed fleet of Agusta 109E Power Helicopters and Agusta Bell 412 helicopters.
The flagship aircraft is the Agusta 109E Power. This helicopter is configured as a five passenger, fast (maximum speed is 168 knots or 312 km-per-hour), VIP corporate transport aircraft. It offers a full leather interior, air-conditioning, a quiet cabin, and twin-engine safety in the most powerful helicopter of its class in the world. At present Heli Dubai has two of these aircraft operational with two more of the stretched version, known as the Grande, on order for delivery in 2006.
Heli Dubai has been recognised for the level of safety and comfort it offers by being the official aviation service partner for the Jumeirah International group. Heli Dubai is the only civil operator allowed to conduct public transport operations to the Burj Al Arab using the Agusta 109 helicopter.
The AB412's are undergoing a complete re-design of the main passenger cabin from 9 basic seats to an all business class configuration in a quiet cabin, with 8 forward facing seats, providing increased leg room for greater comfort and improved passenger viewing. Provision has also been made for in-flight refreshments. The AB 412 maximum speed is 145 knots or 267 km-per-hour. The first helicopter will be available for charter in September for the winter season.
The second AB 412 will be available at the end of the year and Heli Dubai is also in negotiation for the acquisition of at least two other light and medium twin-engine helicopter types which will allow greater mission flexibility.
Ibrahim Redha Ali, Chief Executive, Heli Dubai, says 'Heli Dubai is ready to launch itself into both the Gulf Region and onto the international helicopter markets, following the vision of the Ruler of Dubai, to establish Dubai as the centre of excellence for this exciting and challenging branch of aviation. We intend to be a world class competitor and by investing in both the best of machines and the best of staff, we will be.'
Heli Dubai offers airport to airport, hotel to hotel and tailored packages.
Should be interesting!!!!
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Emirates/CAE venture into 412 simulator training
Hi out there, following the back history regarding Horizon! Anybody know Horizon’s connection with the Emirates/CAE venture into 412 simulator training. I notice that a raft of new positions have been advertised supposedly with Emirates CAE? Any news would be gratefully received.
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Emirates/CAE venture into 412 simulator training
Anybody know Horizon’s (Al Ain – UAE) connection with the Emirates/CAE venture into 412 simulator training. I notice that a raft of new positions have been advertised last month supposedly with Emirates CAE? Any news available?
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Previous posts on this topic have indicated that the standard of maintenance at Gulf Helis is VERY suspect. This opinion is held by GHC pilots, Oil Company auditors and some of the few engineers remaining on the GHC payroll. There have been opinions voiced of ‘every one waiting for a big accident’.
Not sure why none of the usually vociferous GHC pprune posters have not mentioned it BUT the word (substantiated) coming down from GHC is that they went much closer to having a maintenance caused BIG BANG as any partly sane company management would want to get.
The story is: A Bell 412 on an over land photo shoot, with both the sliding doors secured in the full open position, LOST the left sliding door in flight. It was only ‘the luck of being married to Irish’ that the door was lost Downwards and not up into the rotor. An air search failed to find the door.
As is his usual way S Mc of the engineering management immediately blamed the pilot!! S Mc you are NOT missed at ADA.
However the door turned up from a most embarrassing location ( the back yard of a senior manager of a GHC most important client ) and it was obvious that poor maintenance was the problem with one of the door retaining parts being way past WELL WORN. I wonder if S Mc apologised to the pilot??
Good Luck to the pilots and pax at GHC. BUT the good luck may have already been used up.
Not sure why none of the usually vociferous GHC pprune posters have not mentioned it BUT the word (substantiated) coming down from GHC is that they went much closer to having a maintenance caused BIG BANG as any partly sane company management would want to get.
The story is: A Bell 412 on an over land photo shoot, with both the sliding doors secured in the full open position, LOST the left sliding door in flight. It was only ‘the luck of being married to Irish’ that the door was lost Downwards and not up into the rotor. An air search failed to find the door.
As is his usual way S Mc of the engineering management immediately blamed the pilot!! S Mc you are NOT missed at ADA.
However the door turned up from a most embarrassing location ( the back yard of a senior manager of a GHC most important client ) and it was obvious that poor maintenance was the problem with one of the door retaining parts being way past WELL WORN. I wonder if S Mc apologised to the pilot??
Good Luck to the pilots and pax at GHC. BUT the good luck may have already been used up.
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This whole thread is a little disturbing.
Are things really this bad @ Gulf or are people just witch hunting. If things are as said, how / why are people still working there. Do the crews not have the power to say ¨¨NO, we are not flying aircraft that are not serviceable¨¨ .
Just curious.
Are things really this bad @ Gulf or are people just witch hunting. If things are as said, how / why are people still working there. Do the crews not have the power to say ¨¨NO, we are not flying aircraft that are not serviceable¨¨ .
Just curious.
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ROYALLY SCREWED OVER
Hey, heard how Blackheart totally screwed over the old CFI....
What a C*** this Blackheart is!
Seems like Blackheart used the same 'friends' that gave him his 'Instructor Rating' for this last bit of knifing for the old CFI. Such a pity as he is a good man who did so much for the company.
Another engineer sacked, and another (Lead engineer) resigned as well, so the grapevine says..
Who is left I wonder???
Quick, pass me a beer
What a C*** this Blackheart is!
Seems like Blackheart used the same 'friends' that gave him his 'Instructor Rating' for this last bit of knifing for the old CFI. Such a pity as he is a good man who did so much for the company.
Another engineer sacked, and another (Lead engineer) resigned as well, so the grapevine says..
Who is left I wonder???
Quick, pass me a beer
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I think Mr Blackheart is probably one of the lowest forms of life on this planet and will continue to act to his entire satisfaction while he continues to scr*w his workforce. In the interests of all of us reading this forum and potential Horizon employees can you please give us more detailed information on his latest act. Aimed at an employee who no doubt has done his best in the circumstances in good faith and for whatever reason could not continue to oerate in the circumstances he was placed in by Mr Blackheart.
I would also like to think his activities do not go unrecognised by those who gave him the qulaification that got him started - I think a category check by CFS (H) would be in order - If he fails to come up to the standard - and we know he will, he will lose face and if he loses face he will lose power, and Horizon can get on with doing a professional and safe job. That their customers have already paid through the nose for.
I think Mr Blackheart is probably one of the lowest forms of life on this planet and will continue to act to his entire satisfaction while he continues to scr*w his workforce. In the interests of all of us reading this forum and potential Horizon employees can you please give us more detailed information on his latest act. Aimed at an employee who no doubt has done his best in the circumstances in good faith and for whatever reason could not continue to oerate in the circumstances he was placed in by Mr Blackheart.
I would also like to think his activities do not go unrecognised by those who gave him the qulaification that got him started - I think a category check by CFS (H) would be in order - If he fails to come up to the standard - and we know he will, he will lose face and if he loses face he will lose power, and Horizon can get on with doing a professional and safe job. That their customers have already paid through the nose for.
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Dubai Job Info
Does have any information about the job advertised in Flight International. Like who the company is?
They needed a HT, CFI and some FI(H)'s. Staff had to be Europeon and hold JAA licences.
All info welcome, Thanks.
They needed a HT, CFI and some FI(H)'s. Staff had to be Europeon and hold JAA licences.
All info welcome, Thanks.
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