Flying in the Persian/Arabian Gulf
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Generally speaking, are the helicopters air-conditioned?
To what extent can you get by in English? For example, are you able to get the terms and conditions from the car insurance company, phone company etc in English?
To what extent can you get by in English? For example, are you able to get the terms and conditions from the car insurance company, phone company etc in English?
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I have been looking at the Gulf Helicopters website and was interested in going for a position as a co-pilot. I have about 950 hours with an FAA Commercial license, and was wondering, if anyone might know, what my chances would be and how I get in contact with them, as I have submitted their online form and heard nothing back from them.
In fact I would appreciate any help on the possibility of getting a commercial job in the Arabian Gulf. Main reasons, as I have been working in America on a visa that is due to expire in August.
Thanks.
In fact I would appreciate any help on the possibility of getting a commercial job in the Arabian Gulf. Main reasons, as I have been working in America on a visa that is due to expire in August.
Thanks.
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S76, murdock,
This is normal. ADA/Gulf don't normally reply until they have something to offer you. This often means yuu don't hear for a very long time. They also don't very often give conversion training, so if you don't have the type (Bell 212/412) or experience they need you may never hear anything. I'm sorry murdock, but with only 950 hours you probably don't have enough experience for either Gulf or ADA. Neither company will normally take anybody with less than a few thousand hours and Instrument Rating.
This is normal. ADA/Gulf don't normally reply until they have something to offer you. This often means yuu don't hear for a very long time. They also don't very often give conversion training, so if you don't have the type (Bell 212/412) or experience they need you may never hear anything. I'm sorry murdock, but with only 950 hours you probably don't have enough experience for either Gulf or ADA. Neither company will normally take anybody with less than a few thousand hours and Instrument Rating.
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Would ADA take on a co-pilot with less than the required hours?
Hi All,
I am a relative new comer to the industry and only have 250hrs including NVFR and Single engine CIR.
I that ADA are recruiting, would it be a waste of time if i applied or should i just try and see what happens?
Any responce would be most welcome! I know how harsh but brutally true and honest pprune readers are.
And if nothing with ADA, maybe someone could suggest another option apart from getting the required hours.
Cheers
I am a relative new comer to the industry and only have 250hrs including NVFR and Single engine CIR.
I that ADA are recruiting, would it be a waste of time if i applied or should i just try and see what happens?
Any responce would be most welcome! I know how harsh but brutally true and honest pprune readers are.
And if nothing with ADA, maybe someone could suggest another option apart from getting the required hours.
Cheers
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Working in Dubai
If you have an ATPL(H) endorsed for the 212 and want to work in one of the most vibrant cities on earth (Dubai) then contact me.
We offer married accompanied positions in a city which has everything.
If you would prefer single status living in crap accommodation for a bit more money then there are other operators in the Gulf better equipped.
Dave
We offer married accompanied positions in a city which has everything.
If you would prefer single status living in crap accommodation for a bit more money then there are other operators in the Gulf better equipped.
Dave
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Demented- is right on the money or lack of it !!
Go for the crap accomidation deal Chaps rather than the crap money deal you will not save a dime at Aerogulf Services Limited Pay Company.
The money is right out the window.
Go for the crap accomidation deal Chaps rather than the crap money deal you will not save a dime at Aerogulf Services Limited Pay Company.
The money is right out the window.
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Dubai jobs
Hi,
Many thanks for your replies.
Just so that there is no subterfuge I would like to lay it right on the line.
The salary here for a 212 pilot equates to just $50,000 a year but that is totally tax free. Also, you would be given an apartment or villa, depending on your marital status. This would have the utilities (electric, water, gas) paid for. You would also have medical insurance for you and the family.
Your air tickets home for you and the family would be paid for once a year. There is a generous allowance towards school fees.
The job is not demanding for a proficient pilot. Plenty of spare time to enjoy the many good aspects of Dubai such as the beaches, nightlife etc.
As I have said before, this is a vibrant city for vibrant people. Think positive and don't look at the negative.
Many thanks for your replies.
Just so that there is no subterfuge I would like to lay it right on the line.
The salary here for a 212 pilot equates to just $50,000 a year but that is totally tax free. Also, you would be given an apartment or villa, depending on your marital status. This would have the utilities (electric, water, gas) paid for. You would also have medical insurance for you and the family.
Your air tickets home for you and the family would be paid for once a year. There is a generous allowance towards school fees.
The job is not demanding for a proficient pilot. Plenty of spare time to enjoy the many good aspects of Dubai such as the beaches, nightlife etc.
As I have said before, this is a vibrant city for vibrant people. Think positive and don't look at the negative.
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Dont know much about the pay rates but on the two occasions I have visited Aerogulf they seemed like a good company to work for, great people, good morale, decent working environment and a good management team. From when I was there I think they have moved into new modern facilities at the Intl airport.
Dubai is a fantastic place and have spent a lot of time there. Everything is handy to get to, lot of ex pats around, heaps of trolley dollies working for Emirates that live all along the side of the highway linking Dubai to Abu Dhabi. Best way to spend the time off is go and hang out at the Barasti Bar on the marina at the Le Meridien Mina Seyahi, run by a cool South African called Michael Scully.
Booze is great there, not very expensive in my opinion and anything you want, you can get there. Anyway just my two cents worth.
Ned
Dubai is a fantastic place and have spent a lot of time there. Everything is handy to get to, lot of ex pats around, heaps of trolley dollies working for Emirates that live all along the side of the highway linking Dubai to Abu Dhabi. Best way to spend the time off is go and hang out at the Barasti Bar on the marina at the Le Meridien Mina Seyahi, run by a cool South African called Michael Scully.
Booze is great there, not very expensive in my opinion and anything you want, you can get there. Anyway just my two cents worth.
Ned
Why the sudden need to advertise these jobs....as my memory serves me...it used to by personal invitation only....such as having a friend there who could speak at court for you? Now that all sounds nice....but $50,000 USD is not all that much to get worked up over nowadays! Just why is it the Gulf operators....Arabian Gulf that is....seem to be able to ignore the pay trends in the rest of the industry...it might be local tax free...but one is still away from home...working in a foreign land...and whether one likes to admit it or not....becomes a walking bullseye if he sports blue eyes and blond hair in that neighborhood.
I enjoyed my time in Bahrain...tolerated my time in Saudi...loved the Iranian experience...found Jordan to be pleasant...but once again....these neighborhoods are getting a bit sporty for Rednecks.
One man's opinon!
I enjoyed my time in Bahrain...tolerated my time in Saudi...loved the Iranian experience...found Jordan to be pleasant...but once again....these neighborhoods are getting a bit sporty for Rednecks.
One man's opinon!
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Wow, $50,000 a year tax free!! All salaries in the Middle East for expats are tax free. With ADA at the moment you can earn just under $80,000 a year on 8/4 and during your 2 days a week off it's quite easy to visit Dubai, where you'll have a lot more money to spend.
Last time I thought about Aerogulf, I'd also have spent a lot of my money on school fees as the allowance is not so generous if you want to send your child to a good school. The house was also not fully equipped and I would have had to pay to ship a lot of personal possessions out.
Leave of only once a year is less than generous. even with ADA there are occasionally accompanied positions available for those already here on bachelor status.
My advice. Stay away until such time as Aerogulf decides to get intoi the real world with salaries so you can actually enjoy the life which is available in Dubai. It is indeed a great city, the job with Aerogulf is undemanding, but unless you have a second income (such as a military pension - which is what they rely on), forget it. They need to be forced to think about paying a decent rate.
Last time I thought about Aerogulf, I'd also have spent a lot of my money on school fees as the allowance is not so generous if you want to send your child to a good school. The house was also not fully equipped and I would have had to pay to ship a lot of personal possessions out.
Leave of only once a year is less than generous. even with ADA there are occasionally accompanied positions available for those already here on bachelor status.
My advice. Stay away until such time as Aerogulf decides to get intoi the real world with salaries so you can actually enjoy the life which is available in Dubai. It is indeed a great city, the job with Aerogulf is undemanding, but unless you have a second income (such as a military pension - which is what they rely on), forget it. They need to be forced to think about paying a decent rate.
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Thank you for the replies.
I am particularly interested in those from from SASless and Yarba.
If SASless thinks that he would have a problem in Dubai because of blonde hair and blue eyes I think he should change his name slightly to SENSeless. This is one of the most tolerant and liberal places to be on earth. How is it where you are: Assless.
And Yarba is of course, and we can see where he is coming from,
an anagram of Araby.
Regards
Vadid
I am particularly interested in those from from SASless and Yarba.
If SASless thinks that he would have a problem in Dubai because of blonde hair and blue eyes I think he should change his name slightly to SENSeless. This is one of the most tolerant and liberal places to be on earth. How is it where you are: Assless.
And Yarba is of course, and we can see where he is coming from,
an anagram of Araby.
Regards
Vadid
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Sasless maybe incorrect about his blue eyes and blonde hair comment but it is totally put into the shade by Airtoday and his comments.....
All are just correctly stating that Aerogulf's wages are way behind other expat positions and you reply with remarks directed at the individuals.
Are you showing the standard of Aerogulf management in your comments or are they your own???
All are just correctly stating that Aerogulf's wages are way behind other expat positions and you reply with remarks directed at the individuals.
Are you showing the standard of Aerogulf management in your comments or are they your own???
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airtoday,
Nice to hear someone speaking from a position of as much ignorance as you obviously have. SAS less was in that part of the world many, many years ago. I was here before Aerogulf was even thought of, and one of the founder pilots with your company, the late Ian Tulloch, was a close personal friend.
You obviously also know nothing of the desert if you imagine Yarba to be an anagram of araby (and what sort of a comment is that coming from someone who supposedly lives in and enjoys this part of the world
)
If you imagine Dubai is one of the most tolerant and liberal places on earth, try walking down the street with a bottle of Johnny Walker in your hand, wearing no shirt, at 5 pm in the middle of Ramadan.
But then again Airtoday is an anagram of airy toad, so maybe we can see where you're coming from, whatever that's meant to mean. As MM says, your comments are pretty pathetic if they are the views of the management of a company trying to justify its low wage policy.
Nice to hear someone speaking from a position of as much ignorance as you obviously have. SAS less was in that part of the world many, many years ago. I was here before Aerogulf was even thought of, and one of the founder pilots with your company, the late Ian Tulloch, was a close personal friend.
You obviously also know nothing of the desert if you imagine Yarba to be an anagram of araby (and what sort of a comment is that coming from someone who supposedly lives in and enjoys this part of the world
) If you imagine Dubai is one of the most tolerant and liberal places on earth, try walking down the street with a bottle of Johnny Walker in your hand, wearing no shirt, at 5 pm in the middle of Ramadan.
But then again Airtoday is an anagram of airy toad, so maybe we can see where you're coming from, whatever that's meant to mean. As MM says, your comments are pretty pathetic if they are the views of the management of a company trying to justify its low wage policy.