Flying in the Persian/Arabian Gulf
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Fatigue,
Your post is a joke yes? Haven't you read all the old posts in this thread?
The pay in ADA has gone up, but nothing else and general pay in this area is still at the bottom end of the international flying scene.
Your post is a joke yes? Haven't you read all the old posts in this thread?
The pay in ADA has gone up, but nothing else and general pay in this area is still at the bottom end of the international flying scene.
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ummmm, no it wasn't a joke, I posted it on the 5th dec, somehow it ended up at the bottom of the list, after I presume,as this topic had already been discussed last March, the forum moderator posted these old replies in front of mine!!!!!!!
Thank you anyway.
Thank you anyway.
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Check www.flightinternational.com jobs listing for Gulf Heli's positions.
Generic blurb about the pay being very attractive, 6 weeks on/off..and the rest!
Suggest you go up their website and ask for Andy Redfearn. He'll
tell ya the real deal. Captains on the 412,212,230 & 206 get from $48,000 + , about €39,000, or £27,000 TAX FREE....just imagine that..and all the sand and dust you can stomach...absolutely free.
If you are of the jewish faith, well ya know the answer to that!
Sounds like a great place to go for lonely dudes who can't find a heli job in mainstream 'free world' flying that gives them a decent Standard of Life..........
Generic blurb about the pay being very attractive, 6 weeks on/off..and the rest!
Suggest you go up their website and ask for Andy Redfearn. He'll
tell ya the real deal. Captains on the 412,212,230 & 206 get from $48,000 + , about €39,000, or £27,000 TAX FREE....just imagine that..and all the sand and dust you can stomach...absolutely free.
If you are of the jewish faith, well ya know the answer to that!
Sounds like a great place to go for lonely dudes who can't find a heli job in mainstream 'free world' flying that gives them a decent Standard of Life..........
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I don't know from where but I had heard it was good to fly out there
sounds crap, pays crap and grew out of building sandcastles years ago 
won't even consider that anymore, thanks for the info.
sounds crap, pays crap and grew out of building sandcastles years ago won't even consider that anymore, thanks for the info.
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flungdung,
I disagree. I much prefer Nigeria. The pay in Abu Dhabi is so low if you're on 6/6 that you don't have much money to enjoy yourself - especially as you have to pay for all your food out of that $50,000 a year. In Nigeria, with either of the 2 operators, for either 6/6 or 7/5 you'd be $20,000 a year better off, without having to work in your time off tour. Plus, your food is all paid for and there's loss of licence insurance, health insurance and both operators have some form of pension scheme (not very good, and depends on your age). As for moving out of the accomodation in Abu Dhabi, you'd then have the added expense of the rent (not cheap in Abu Dhabi) and you'd have to buy a car to get to work.
I admit that Abu Dhabi and Dubai are far nicer (and less dangerous) places to live and there's far more time off in country with the adoption of JAR Ops FDL limits, but there's just no comparison on pay. The other thing about Nigeria at the moment is that it seems that CHC are taking over ACN, so nobody knows what that will do to pay and conditions in the future. However, the turnover of staff in either ACN or Bristow seems to be a lot lower than it is in Abu Dhabi which maybe also says something.
I disagree. I much prefer Nigeria. The pay in Abu Dhabi is so low if you're on 6/6 that you don't have much money to enjoy yourself - especially as you have to pay for all your food out of that $50,000 a year. In Nigeria, with either of the 2 operators, for either 6/6 or 7/5 you'd be $20,000 a year better off, without having to work in your time off tour. Plus, your food is all paid for and there's loss of licence insurance, health insurance and both operators have some form of pension scheme (not very good, and depends on your age). As for moving out of the accomodation in Abu Dhabi, you'd then have the added expense of the rent (not cheap in Abu Dhabi) and you'd have to buy a car to get to work.
I admit that Abu Dhabi and Dubai are far nicer (and less dangerous) places to live and there's far more time off in country with the adoption of JAR Ops FDL limits, but there's just no comparison on pay. The other thing about Nigeria at the moment is that it seems that CHC are taking over ACN, so nobody knows what that will do to pay and conditions in the future. However, the turnover of staff in either ACN or Bristow seems to be a lot lower than it is in Abu Dhabi which maybe also says something.
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As a matter of accuracy, there are no flight and duty times regulations in JAR-OPS (fixed wing or helicopter). What you might be subject to are the schemes that are drawn up under UK Civil Aviation Publication (CAP) 371 - The Avoidance of Fatigue in Aircrews, Guide to Requirements.
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flungdung,
You're absolutely right. The sports facilities in Abu Dhabi are considerably better than in Nigeria, where it very much depends on who you're working for and which contract you're on as to whether there are any facilities at all!
Even withouit a car you can still get out and about in Abu Dhabi as there are often others willinmg to give a lift, or you can call for an 'Al Gazelle' cab.
As for UK - can't understand why anyone would want to live there. It's cold, expensive and the taxman is not nearly as understanding as if you live in most other European countries. I think it's much better, and cheaper, to quit Europe altogether.
You're absolutely right. The sports facilities in Abu Dhabi are considerably better than in Nigeria, where it very much depends on who you're working for and which contract you're on as to whether there are any facilities at all!
Even withouit a car you can still get out and about in Abu Dhabi as there are often others willinmg to give a lift, or you can call for an 'Al Gazelle' cab.
As for UK - can't understand why anyone would want to live there. It's cold, expensive and the taxman is not nearly as understanding as if you live in most other European countries. I think it's much better, and cheaper, to quit Europe altogether.
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Emirates and CAE expand into helicopter training
Operators of Bell 412 and 212 helicopters will soon be able to train on the first full-flight simulator of its kind in the Gulf region.
Emirates-CAE Flight Training announced today at a press conference at Dubai 2003, the 8th International Aerospace Exhibition, that it will commence training when the simulator is installed at its facility in Dubai at the end of 2005.
Emirates' Chairman, His Highness Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al-Maktoum, said: 'Expansion into helicopter training reinforces Emirates-CAE Flight Training as the centre of excellence for aviation training in the Gulf and Middle East.'
Emirates-CAE Flight Training is jointly operated by the Emirates Group and CAE under a 10-year teaming agreement.
Captains on the 412,212,230 & 206 get from $48,000 + , about €39,000, or £27,000 TAX FREE
How much for the Gulf Helicopters 500hrs co-pilots... ?
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I currently work for Gulf Helicopters, Doha. Sure, if you're out of work and have to put food on the table, then I guess you haven't got too much choice.
Otherwise the platitudes about it being a "nice" place to live should be ignored as the company is positively dangerous and a great many pilots are very actively trying to get out - including me.
Engineering is now so cronically undermanned and under-experienced that the Deputy Chief Engineer recently resigned in frustration and informed the pilots here just how dangerous engineering has become. But, in reality we already knew. You don't have to be a genius to see the majority of the company's experienced engineering staff leaving the place.
And 2 months later (November) our Chief Pilot resigned in frustration. What frustrations you might ask? Suffice it to say that an unsafe ops environment is paramount.
Good luck.
Otherwise the platitudes about it being a "nice" place to live should be ignored as the company is positively dangerous and a great many pilots are very actively trying to get out - including me.
Engineering is now so cronically undermanned and under-experienced that the Deputy Chief Engineer recently resigned in frustration and informed the pilots here just how dangerous engineering has become. But, in reality we already knew. You don't have to be a genius to see the majority of the company's experienced engineering staff leaving the place.
And 2 months later (November) our Chief Pilot resigned in frustration. What frustrations you might ask? Suffice it to say that an unsafe ops environment is paramount.
Good luck.
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7000 hour co-pilots get US$145 per day on site, nothing when off.
I flew in Doha in the mid 70s and other than the poor management, it was an easy place to live and obviously facilities must be better by now. Incidently both the manager and chief pilot were 'removed' just after I left. I believe there has been a recent change in management which will probably need time to see what difference it will make.
I flew in Doha in the mid 70s and other than the poor management, it was an easy place to live and obviously facilities must be better by now. Incidently both the manager and chief pilot were 'removed' just after I left. I believe there has been a recent change in management which will probably need time to see what difference it will make.
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Hey Lads,
I know this issue was beat to death some time ago, but what is the shake on the happenings with Abu Dhabi.
Here that Cal is back flying the line.
Are they two crew yet?
Who is the knew CP?
Also heard they had a big shake-up with the wrench turners?
Any thruth to this is just or is our business doing what it does best.......gossiping!
I know this issue was beat to death some time ago, but what is the shake on the happenings with Abu Dhabi.
Here that Cal is back flying the line.
Are they two crew yet?
Who is the knew CP?
Also heard they had a big shake-up with the wrench turners?
Any thruth to this is just or is our business doing what it does best.......gossiping!
What about JAR Time and Duty Hour limitations....they ignoring JARS?
They still have the same health killing accomodation blocks....complete with mold, mildew,and rot? Transportation still the same hassle? Same old empty promise....of new quarters?
They still have the same health killing accomodation blocks....complete with mold, mildew,and rot? Transportation still the same hassle? Same old empty promise....of new quarters?
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Thanks for the info lads,
but still, can anyone shed any light on why all this is happening. Do not tell me it has something to do with money, as I would find that very difficult to believe.
And why is Mr. F no longer Cp, was it his choice or a management choice.
but still, can anyone shed any light on why all this is happening. Do not tell me it has something to do with money, as I would find that very difficult to believe.
And why is Mr. F no longer Cp, was it his choice or a management choice.
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Place is a total shambles at present. Wouldn't touch it with a very long barge-pole. Engineers screwed, pilots now under a "Safety Manager (!!!) who acts as judge, jury and executioner all in one. So no feedback and thus Safety Management System has vapourised. Mitchell must go; otherwise the accident that will surely happen will occur sooner rather than later. All engineers making other plans; most pilots similarly.
Conditions exactly as described; most labout camps are at a higher standard.
Wouldn't bother even applying
Conditions exactly as described; most labout camps are at a higher standard.
Wouldn't bother even applying
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Ok understood, but why?
This apparently was "the place" to work, has it all come down to the almight dollar or just poor management, wait now I think I just answered my own question.
But seriously, why the big change so quick.
This apparently was "the place" to work, has it all come down to the almight dollar or just poor management, wait now I think I just answered my own question.
But seriously, why the big change so quick.
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I'm just up the road from them; visit when ever I can. Tremendous bunch of people but the mighty cent rules.
It appears incalculable damage has been done by management; they don't know it yet, but long term guys and estimate 70% of the comapny are actively looking for alternative employment. And seriously too!!
Not a good place to consider
It appears incalculable damage has been done by management; they don't know it yet, but long term guys and estimate 70% of the comapny are actively looking for alternative employment. And seriously too!!
Not a good place to consider
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Money is cr*p.
A coat of paint doesn't make the accommodation any better.
Jeremy is CP but Ed the egomaniac thinks hes the boss and Jack is really running most things.
Contracts in Yemen and Iran unpopular.
No more fun firefighting in Spain.
Good guys, bad management.
However, more days off than in the old days and we had a pay rise last year, with rumors of another one this year. If it's any good, it might be worth considering again - but wait and see what happens to the pay and the $ for a few more months before applying.
A coat of paint doesn't make the accommodation any better.
Jeremy is CP but Ed the egomaniac thinks hes the boss and Jack is really running most things.
Contracts in Yemen and Iran unpopular.
No more fun firefighting in Spain.
Good guys, bad management.
However, more days off than in the old days and we had a pay rise last year, with rumors of another one this year. If it's any good, it might be worth considering again - but wait and see what happens to the pay and the $ for a few more months before applying.
I thought that Cal was part of the furniture there?
What gives with the Spanish fire fighting deal? Anything to do with the increasing scarcity/price of 212 parts or just failed management of a contract??
Looks like the 2-crew concept will have to wait yet another year
What gives with the Spanish fire fighting deal? Anything to do with the increasing scarcity/price of 212 parts or just failed management of a contract??
Looks like the 2-crew concept will have to wait yet another year
