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Jigsaw Arrc crew
What a load of spin!!
``Last time we did exercises with the Miller SAR aircraft was a week or so ago, the conditions were not perfect, and the wind was gusting 30+ Kts, but the pilot was incredibly able and skilled as was the winch operator, an the actual winch man. We safely landed the Winchman (Alan I think his name was) 3 or for times, then completed hi-line exercises and stretcher transfers with the SAR Helo, all operations went very smoothly in seas exceeding 3.5 - 4 metres.``
Dont think you launched an ARRC for this,it was with the Mother ship.If so you broke your own procedures!!.
Also 80 people in an ARRC.....i dont think so.Try 12 + crew
``Last time we did exercises with the Miller SAR aircraft was a week or so ago, the conditions were not perfect, and the wind was gusting 30+ Kts, but the pilot was incredibly able and skilled as was the winch operator, an the actual winch man. We safely landed the Winchman (Alan I think his name was) 3 or for times, then completed hi-line exercises and stretcher transfers with the SAR Helo, all operations went very smoothly in seas exceeding 3.5 - 4 metres.``
Dont think you launched an ARRC for this,it was with the Mother ship.If so you broke your own procedures!!.
Also 80 people in an ARRC.....i dont think so.Try 12 + crew
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Spin? says you!
I dont know if we are working the same project, but you seem to be getting your self mixed up with god only knows what!
a) The operation was planned and the ARRC was already in the water, before the weather started to pick up, maybe 3.5 - 4m swell was a slight overexaggeration, but it was easily averaging 2.5 - 3metres.
b) The operations was indeed with the ARRC, and not the Mother ship, I should know, I was on the deck of the ARRC.
c) The ARRC seats 21 survivors, plus 6 crew, but we have the capablility, in emergency evac situations, the overload up to the capacity of about 7 Tonnes Gross weight in personnel, so you work it out, that in my book is 80 ish average size men.
d) I am interested to know how you know what our procedures are in the marine sector, and if you was aware of every one of our procedures then surely you must also note that the ARRC is a "designated place of safety" in its own right, and to be lauched in excessive weather is all well and good, its the recovery that would be a problem in sea exceeding 5+ metres, but that is why we are fitted with the latest navigation systems, communication systems, and medical equipment so if the situation should arise, we have the capacity to make it back to the nearest landfall.
Its people like you Crud that demean the project, and before you go blabbering on again, please be sure to actually know what it is you are waffling on about, because in this subject it is obvious to me that you dont.
a) The operation was planned and the ARRC was already in the water, before the weather started to pick up, maybe 3.5 - 4m swell was a slight overexaggeration, but it was easily averaging 2.5 - 3metres.
b) The operations was indeed with the ARRC, and not the Mother ship, I should know, I was on the deck of the ARRC.
c) The ARRC seats 21 survivors, plus 6 crew, but we have the capablility, in emergency evac situations, the overload up to the capacity of about 7 Tonnes Gross weight in personnel, so you work it out, that in my book is 80 ish average size men.
d) I am interested to know how you know what our procedures are in the marine sector, and if you was aware of every one of our procedures then surely you must also note that the ARRC is a "designated place of safety" in its own right, and to be lauched in excessive weather is all well and good, its the recovery that would be a problem in sea exceeding 5+ metres, but that is why we are fitted with the latest navigation systems, communication systems, and medical equipment so if the situation should arise, we have the capacity to make it back to the nearest landfall.
Its people like you Crud that demean the project, and before you go blabbering on again, please be sure to actually know what it is you are waffling on about, because in this subject it is obvious to me that you dont.
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80 sounds about right. With the ARRC being roughly the size of a Severn Class RNLI lifeboat they can accomodate a maximum of over 130 not all strapped in and all over the deck but when you need to get people off that's the way to do it.
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bp Forties Field SAR
I was lucky enough to be one of the bp staff to be selected for winch-man training at the very outset of the Forties SAR unit and remained with them through to 1988. The initial contract for SAR support was with Bristow’s and the aircraft used was the S61N. The rational being that there was more often than not a crew change flight either on it’s way out to or on it’s way back from the Forties field. Forties Bravo and Delta were the SAR ‘bases’ where the SAR equipment (including winch), winch-op (a Bristow’s man) and the bp winch-man resided.
It was not till much later on that the contract went to Bond and the SAR aircraft became the Aeroespacial Dauphin.
It was not till much later on that the contract went to Bond and the SAR aircraft became the Aeroespacial Dauphin.
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Hellllloooooo! History lesson!
'Shephem 1' is referring to the early 1990's when the Forties SAR contract was moved from Bristow to Bond who covered it with the infield Dauphin.
However, you are correct in stating that the Jigsaw Puma is bigger than a Dauphin, well noticed.
'Shephem 1' is referring to the early 1990's when the Forties SAR contract was moved from Bristow to Bond who covered it with the infield Dauphin.
However, you are correct in stating that the Jigsaw Puma is bigger than a Dauphin, well noticed.
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Rumours going around that Jigsaw will be ditched soon.Apparantly they have a problem with the Ships and the ARRK's? The mother Ships are just going in and out of Aberdeen with cargo.Non of them have the big boats fitted.
How can they provide a rescue service with out them?
You heard anything?
How can they provide a rescue service with out them?
You heard anything?
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Fishing... definitely. You won't hear anything here about it. All Bond pilots are 'gagged' anyway and banned frommposting on this site for fear of being sacked. And before anyone says that they can't do that, Bond don't care. They will.
Good Luck on finding your info!
Good Luck on finding your info!
The new [well July] tender options for continuing the Coastguard SAR provision suggests that the current contract could be split between England and Wales and Scotland.
The contract will be for the provision of the ‘Gap Search and Rescue Helicopter Service’ on behalf of the Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) to cover all MCA coverage areas. This service will require an all-weather SAR Helicopter Service able to operate throughout the UK in the maritime environment and with limited overland capability. The service is currently based at Portland, Lee-on-the-Solent, Sumburgh and Stornoway, operates 365 days a year on a 24hr basis (apart from Portland which operates on a 12hr basis (daytime operation). Service delivery shall continue from Lee-on-the-Solent and Portland. Bidders can consider alternative locations for service delivery on the Isle of Lewis and The Shetland Islands.
Might Jigsaw fit into this as a cost sharing measure?
The contract will be for the provision of the ‘Gap Search and Rescue Helicopter Service’ on behalf of the Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) to cover all MCA coverage areas. This service will require an all-weather SAR Helicopter Service able to operate throughout the UK in the maritime environment and with limited overland capability. The service is currently based at Portland, Lee-on-the-Solent, Sumburgh and Stornoway, operates 365 days a year on a 24hr basis (apart from Portland which operates on a 12hr basis (daytime operation). Service delivery shall continue from Lee-on-the-Solent and Portland. Bidders can consider alternative locations for service delivery on the Isle of Lewis and The Shetland Islands.
Might Jigsaw fit into this as a cost sharing measure?
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I sympathise with your logic... However, Jigsaw is a privately funded service sponsored by BP as a supposed substitute for some of the rescue facility offered by the rig support ships. It was originally to be much more extensive at one point but withered after much political and union dissent within the oil industry. Then the money ran out.
It would be nice to think that some sense would prevail along the lines you suggest. To most it seems a waste that 2 very capable SAR helos sit on standby at the same base , to do the same job - and neither is exactly overworked operationally. However thats politics for you... and the divide between public and private. I suspect the GAP contract of which you post is not allowing such a sensible compromise.... It certainly wasn't considered previously for the SAR-H contract either.
It would be nice to think that some sense would prevail along the lines you suggest. To most it seems a waste that 2 very capable SAR helos sit on standby at the same base , to do the same job - and neither is exactly overworked operationally. However thats politics for you... and the divide between public and private. I suspect the GAP contract of which you post is not allowing such a sensible compromise.... It certainly wasn't considered previously for the SAR-H contract either.
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Painters and Decorators!
NIGHT WATCHMAN your post has come back to haunt you from 2nd March 2005!!
People have long and exacting memories of posts like yours for being so one sided and not open to change....
The Painter and Decorator you refer to is a very well respected, capable, consummate professional who has just been awarded the Billy Deakin award for services to SAR. ( If you know your stuff? You'll know its significance!)
So tell me, did the Company get his selection wrong? Did the board who select these worthy candidates get it wrong? No, your short sightedness to even consider change back then perhaps is the issue......
......Just thought your skeleton should catch you up.. Have a nice day:-)
People have long and exacting memories of posts like yours for being so one sided and not open to change....
The Painter and Decorator you refer to is a very well respected, capable, consummate professional who has just been awarded the Billy Deakin award for services to SAR. ( If you know your stuff? You'll know its significance!)
So tell me, did the Company get his selection wrong? Did the board who select these worthy candidates get it wrong? No, your short sightedness to even consider change back then perhaps is the issue......
......Just thought your skeleton should catch you up.. Have a nice day:-)
Well done!
The last chap to be given that award just got a George Medal!
The last chap to be given that award just got a George Medal!
Last edited by 212man; 23rd Mar 2013 at 12:37. Reason: To remove the expression 'awarded that award'!
