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Quick note on the European WTD.
Leave: the minimum leave to be taken is 28 days, not 20.
The fines of £1000 for each offence are applicable to both the individual and the company.
The WTD came into effect on 13th April 2004, not this year.
There are to be no opt outs, as far as I know.
There is some discussion at the moment between the lawyers in the DfT, CAA and various employers as to some of the definitions laid out in the Statutory Instrument (SI). This may lead to a revised version being issued in due course. It is possible that some current CAA variations may be permitted, ie: counting standby time between 2200 and 0800 at half rate (a 24 hr duty, without night callout, being logged as 19 hrs).
The draft SI was actually published in 2003, so all the European companies, including those in Eire, have had more than ample notice of the changes. Few, if any, seem to have addressed the situation until now, thus creating a panic, as usual.
bondu
Leave: the minimum leave to be taken is 28 days, not 20.
The fines of £1000 for each offence are applicable to both the individual and the company.
The WTD came into effect on 13th April 2004, not this year.
There are to be no opt outs, as far as I know.
There is some discussion at the moment between the lawyers in the DfT, CAA and various employers as to some of the definitions laid out in the Statutory Instrument (SI). This may lead to a revised version being issued in due course. It is possible that some current CAA variations may be permitted, ie: counting standby time between 2200 and 0800 at half rate (a 24 hr duty, without night callout, being logged as 19 hrs).
The draft SI was actually published in 2003, so all the European companies, including those in Eire, have had more than ample notice of the changes. Few, if any, seem to have addressed the situation until now, thus creating a panic, as usual.
bondu
Hi Bondu
I have spent a fair bit of time trying to find a definition of the ' 4 working weeks.' The only one I have found so far is on the DTI website Here
In it it explains the version I gave above, however if you have any better source I would be grateful for the info.
Regards
TeeS
Hummingfrog -
The bouncing around was to a large extent my choice as I enjoyed the variety. I was really just trying to make the point that I had experience of loads of rosters that could never compare with equal time on/off. I was out there around 1991 to 1993 if memory serves.
Cheers
Tees
I have spent a fair bit of time trying to find a definition of the ' 4 working weeks.' The only one I have found so far is on the DTI website Here
In it it explains the version I gave above, however if you have any better source I would be grateful for the info.
Regards
TeeS
Hummingfrog -
The bouncing around was to a large extent my choice as I enjoyed the variety. I was really just trying to make the point that I had experience of loads of rosters that could never compare with equal time on/off. I was out there around 1991 to 1993 if memory serves.
Cheers
Tees
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Yep you were right I was not one of the "few" but i am certainley not bitter and twisted about it. The good thing about jigsaw is that with the amount of new positions its creating it is leaving a vacuum of jobs to be filled by the people who are not "the few"!!
The comment of a little bit of knowledge being dangerous well the whole jigsaw discussion seemed to be getting quite a bit stale and as you can see by the subsequent discussion on the subject ..................well aim achieved i think !!
PS: G8 handle mate!
Jigsaw is not the "bloody holy grail" of this business but Bond OS are a breath of fresh air and thats got to be good. The subject of duty hours and the EWD i feel will run and run, as will the amount of new employees when they experience life on a rig...even if it is only 2 weeks!!
Yep you were right I was not one of the "few" but i am certainley not bitter and twisted about it. The good thing about jigsaw is that with the amount of new positions its creating it is leaving a vacuum of jobs to be filled by the people who are not "the few"!!
The comment of a little bit of knowledge being dangerous well the whole jigsaw discussion seemed to be getting quite a bit stale and as you can see by the subsequent discussion on the subject ..................well aim achieved i think !!
PS: G8 handle mate!
Jigsaw is not the "bloody holy grail" of this business but Bond OS are a breath of fresh air and thats got to be good. The subject of duty hours and the EWD i feel will run and run, as will the amount of new employees when they experience life on a rig...even if it is only 2 weeks!!
TimS
Does your Mum know you are surfing the Internet!!
TeeS;-)
boomerangben
Sadly, if you look a little deeper, you will find that the supposed 8 bank holiday days can be included in the 20 Statutory days.
Tees
Does your Mum know you are surfing the Internet!!
TeeS;-)
boomerangben
Sadly, if you look a little deeper, you will find that the supposed 8 bank holiday days can be included in the 20 Statutory days.
Tees
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Just heard a crewman from CHC Ireland got offered a Jigsaw position, salary of 31K + 8K offshore allowance = 39K. (UK Pounds) Is that good, bad or average money for SAR crewies in the UK?
Question for the offshore drivers...Also how expensive is housing in Aberdeen? Obviously there's good and bad areas in Aberdeen, I was just wondering average prices...many thanks
Question for the offshore drivers...Also how expensive is housing in Aberdeen? Obviously there's good and bad areas in Aberdeen, I was just wondering average prices...many thanks
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Apparently Bond are recruiting pilots for Jigsaw again.
After having got their happy few together it seems that some are less than happy and have gone elsewhere. It seems that the reserve team are now being offered places in the first squad with P2’s being offered their first command on Jigsaw. Is that really a good idea? :-(
The original 9 Bond co-pilots recruited (with compulsory posting to Jigsaw after one year) at the end of last year are down to 6 and new candidates being interviewed.
It probably doesn’t help that Bristow are recruiting and that Scotia despite losing the Talisman contract are showing no signs of staff reductions.
There’s a rumour that some of their engineers are none to happy either.
Should be an interesting year – new project, potentially high staff turnover and new operating procedures. Makes you wonder when and how they’re going to train all these guys in time for the great opening. BP must be slightly nervous about all this after all the hype. Still, time will tell.
After having got their happy few together it seems that some are less than happy and have gone elsewhere. It seems that the reserve team are now being offered places in the first squad with P2’s being offered their first command on Jigsaw. Is that really a good idea? :-(
The original 9 Bond co-pilots recruited (with compulsory posting to Jigsaw after one year) at the end of last year are down to 6 and new candidates being interviewed.
It probably doesn’t help that Bristow are recruiting and that Scotia despite losing the Talisman contract are showing no signs of staff reductions.
There’s a rumour that some of their engineers are none to happy either.
Should be an interesting year – new project, potentially high staff turnover and new operating procedures. Makes you wonder when and how they’re going to train all these guys in time for the great opening. BP must be slightly nervous about all this after all the hype. Still, time will tell.
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Jigsaw
You obviously work for Bristows and only have an interest in putting down Bond. Is it because they are coming back in strength. Be a real man and use your name.
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Is anyting I've commented on untrue?
Are Bond recruiting for Jigsaw pilots again?
Have some of the co-pilots they've recruited gone elsewhere?
Are current P2's being offered command on jigsaw?
Is anyting I've commented on untrue?
Are Bond recruiting for Jigsaw pilots again?
Have some of the co-pilots they've recruited gone elsewhere?
Are current P2's being offered command on jigsaw?
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Jigsaw
You really are a bundle of joy are,nt you. Are you saying that someof the pilots Bond uses for Jigsaw will not be up to the job, nasty implication. Best you remain anonymous.
Bond are recruiting more pilots
Good for them it will keep the likes of you in a job. Be happy.
There’s a rumour that some of their engineers are none to happy either. When have you known an engineer to be happy? You do not know many engineers do you?
Rumour is fine but mischief making is not.
Once again do you work for Bristows?
Bond are recruiting more pilots
Good for them it will keep the likes of you in a job. Be happy.
There’s a rumour that some of their engineers are none to happy either. When have you known an engineer to be happy? You do not know many engineers do you?
Rumour is fine but mischief making is not.
Once again do you work for Bristows?
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the pay for uk crewies is very competative, it is quite a bit more than u have heard, there are also lots of other benefits on offer which the competitors do not consider a requirment. therefore quite a lot of people are interested in this company, pilots and crewmen alike. it is hiring from a wide range of proffesions for winchmen giving lots of expertise in different fields, the winchops are all ex military. it is a new venture with lots of pessimistic onlookers hoping that it will fall flat on it's face, however with such a dynamic and youthfull yet experienced workforce this company will do very well. a few cases of sour grapes me thinks 
Hi JB how is life in retirement?? Missing the old Puma
I think you are remembering the "old Bond" the new one seems a little different.
Jigsaw is good for all commercial pilots because it brings new positions to the market place. I would not however be surprised if they have a high turnover of pilots after the initial selection.
This is because while on paper the offshore life looks great. Stable roster, 13 days off each month reality is different once you start doing it. There is great difficulty in getting pilots to volunteer to work offshore once they have experienced it. The extra money is poor - one days overtime onshore brings in the same amount per month. The disruption to one's social/family life is high. Living conditions are poor on the rig etc.
While Jigsaw is "simple" SAR with only the requirement to be capable at day/night wets and decks it will not be easy. If all the kit is working correctly your average line pilot with about 20hrs training should be able to do it. Unfortunately SAR usually happens when everything is against you. Weather, sea conditions and sods law says the doppler unlocks. That is when things can go wrong very quickly if you don't have a sackful of experience to fall back on. So I would be surprised if low time commanders were offered Jigsaw positions. ( if I was rearcrew I would be alarmed:
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I work offshore and have over 9 yrs of RAF SAR exp and due to age have not been head hunted as per the original advert!! I would also not accept the rumoured package offered of only 2 weeks leave. I spend 75% more time away from home than a Puma line pilot why would I accept less leave than him
I will follow Jigsaw with interest and I do hope it works as it will be good for everybody. It can't, however, be done on the cheap and I am sure Lord Melchet will do his best
HF
Guessed who I am (think Puma Course )
I think you are remembering the "old Bond" the new one seems a little different.
Jigsaw is good for all commercial pilots because it brings new positions to the market place. I would not however be surprised if they have a high turnover of pilots after the initial selection.
This is because while on paper the offshore life looks great. Stable roster, 13 days off each month reality is different once you start doing it. There is great difficulty in getting pilots to volunteer to work offshore once they have experienced it. The extra money is poor - one days overtime onshore brings in the same amount per month. The disruption to one's social/family life is high. Living conditions are poor on the rig etc.
While Jigsaw is "simple" SAR with only the requirement to be capable at day/night wets and decks it will not be easy. If all the kit is working correctly your average line pilot with about 20hrs training should be able to do it. Unfortunately SAR usually happens when everything is against you. Weather, sea conditions and sods law says the doppler unlocks. That is when things can go wrong very quickly if you don't have a sackful of experience to fall back on. So I would be surprised if low time commanders were offered Jigsaw positions. ( if I was rearcrew I would be alarmed:
)I work offshore and have over 9 yrs of RAF SAR exp and due to age
have not been head hunted as per the original advert!! I would also not accept the rumoured package offered of only 2 weeks leave. I spend 75% more time away from home than a Puma line pilot why would I accept less leave than him I will follow Jigsaw with interest and I do hope it works as it will be good for everybody. It can't, however, be done on the cheap and I am sure Lord Melchet will do his best
HF
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you have a PM
hummingfrog
i do agree in part about your comments on SAR, however do remember that a vast majority of the actual skill and danger aspect is taken on by the back seat, and any winchop worth his salt could keep a monkey hovering over a moving deck.....
please don't take that as an insult to pilots only some pilots do tend to forget that SAR is a TEAM effort and that you always remain nice and cosy sat in your seat doing a bit of high speed poling, don't take it the wrong way, I take my hat off to a good SAR pilot, the definition of which is usually somebody who has the ability to trust the abilities of his crewmates and not to think he is the only one in the crew that matters
most of the guys hired are ex navy, two weeks on a rig...chicken feed!! we have spent more time than that on the crest of a wave...ahoy me old shippers!
did u guess that i am a backseater???
i love pilots really x x x
hummingfrog
i do agree in part about your comments on SAR, however do remember that a vast majority of the actual skill and danger aspect is taken on by the back seat, and any winchop worth his salt could keep a monkey hovering over a moving deck.....
please don't take that as an insult to pilots only some pilots do tend to forget that SAR is a TEAM effort and that you always remain nice and cosy sat in your seat doing a bit of high speed poling, don't take it the wrong way, I take my hat off to a good SAR pilot, the definition of which is usually somebody who has the ability to trust the abilities of his crewmates and not to think he is the only one in the crew that matters
most of the guys hired are ex navy, two weeks on a rig...chicken feed!! we have spent more time than that on the crest of a wave...ahoy me old shippers!
did u guess that i am a backseater???
i love pilots really x x x