Colour Blindness (merged)
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From: England
Thanks to everyone that has added to this topic, especially Nick Mahon. I still remember the day in school when the teatcher held up these circles with different colour dots on. Most of my class mates saw the number 5 and I saw the number 9. My friends thought this was quite funny as all I have ever wanted to do was become a pilot. However I still joined the ATC and decided a flying schol was an excellent idea so off I went to cranwell. The optitian took out the book and I proceded to fail. He muttered under his breath that " theres another one that wont fly" however he set up the Latern test for me and I was told I was CP3 but due to the Eurofighter coming into service the RAF had raised their requirement to CP2 and I wouldent be able to join. I was understandably gutted, but I decided that if I could get paid a lot better and still fly around the world that becoming a commercial pilot would be fantastic! I have tried to find out if I would be ok to fly commercially but this is the fist place that I have found any substantial assistance. Thanks. 
Nick Mahon
Who did you speak to in the CAA and what is their number?
Can you post if you get anywhere with the RAF (I wont be holding my breath!)
Nick Mahon
Who did you speak to in the CAA and what is their number?
Can you post if you get anywhere with the RAF (I wont be holding my breath!)
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Interesting post on the wannabees thread about changes to eyesight limits including CP entitled 'How far on a Class 2?' Something about having to read first 15 of the cards correctly in a 24 ishihara book. Anyone know any more?
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Interesting post on the wannabees thread about changes to eyesight limits including CP entitled 'How far on a Class 2?' Something about having to read first 15 of the cards correctly in a 24 ishihara book. Anyone know any more?
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From: uk
HI,
I HAVE JUST FOUND THIS SITE.
NOW READ THIS.
I HOLD A CPL(H) RESTRICTED TO AERIAL WORK AND INSTRUCTION ONLY.VFR DAY ONLY.I HAVE SOME 4000 HRS.I HOLD A CLASS 1(RESTRICTED)MEDICAL BECAUSE I AM COLOUR DEFECTIVE.
I AM ALSO TYPE RATING EXAMINER FOR THE CAA.
THE CAA WILL NOT LET ME FLY 'PUBLIC TRANSPORT SORTIE'S'BUT THEY WILL LET ME FLY THE FOLLOWING SORT OF TASKS.
1.CORPORATE FLIGHTS
2.LOW LEVEL SURVEY WORK
3.PHOTOGRAPHY
4.INSTRUCTION
5.EXAMINATIONS
CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT I CAN'T DO 'PUBLIC TRANSPORT'.
I AM ABOUT TO TRY AGAIN WITH THE CAA TO GET THIS RESTRICTION LIFTED.IT SEEMS THAT I AM THE ONE AND ONLY HELICOPTER PILOT WITH SUCH A LICENSE.I AM REALLY CLOSE TO BECOMING THE FIRST CPL VFR DAY ONLY PILOT WITH NO RESTRICTIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN A SIMILAR STATE.
CONTACT ME PLEASE.
I HAVE JUST FOUND THIS SITE.
NOW READ THIS.
I HOLD A CPL(H) RESTRICTED TO AERIAL WORK AND INSTRUCTION ONLY.VFR DAY ONLY.I HAVE SOME 4000 HRS.I HOLD A CLASS 1(RESTRICTED)MEDICAL BECAUSE I AM COLOUR DEFECTIVE.
I AM ALSO TYPE RATING EXAMINER FOR THE CAA.
THE CAA WILL NOT LET ME FLY 'PUBLIC TRANSPORT SORTIE'S'BUT THEY WILL LET ME FLY THE FOLLOWING SORT OF TASKS.
1.CORPORATE FLIGHTS
2.LOW LEVEL SURVEY WORK
3.PHOTOGRAPHY
4.INSTRUCTION
5.EXAMINATIONS
CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT I CAN'T DO 'PUBLIC TRANSPORT'.
I AM ABOUT TO TRY AGAIN WITH THE CAA TO GET THIS RESTRICTION LIFTED.IT SEEMS THAT I AM THE ONE AND ONLY HELICOPTER PILOT WITH SUCH A LICENSE.I AM REALLY CLOSE TO BECOMING THE FIRST CPL VFR DAY ONLY PILOT WITH NO RESTRICTIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN A SIMILAR STATE.
CONTACT ME PLEASE.
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From: uk
HI,
I HAVE JUST FOUND THIS SITE.
NOW READ THIS.
I HOLD A CPL(H) RESTRICTED TO AERIAL WORK AND INSTRUCTION ONLY.VFR DAY ONLY.I HAVE SOME 4000 HRS.I HOLD A CLASS 1(RESTRICTED)MEDICAL BECAUSE I AM COLOUR DEFECTIVE.
I AM ALSO TYPE RATING EXAMINER FOR THE CAA.
THE CAA WILL NOT LET ME FLY 'PUBLIC TRANSPORT SORTIE'S'BUT THEY WILL LET ME FLY THE FOLLOWING SORT OF TASKS.
1.CORPORATE FLIGHTS
2.LOW LEVEL SURVEY WORK
3.PHOTOGRAPHY
4.INSTRUCTION
5.EXAMINATIONS
CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT I CAN'T DO 'PUBLIC TRANSPORT'.
I AM ABOUT TO TRY AGAIN WITH THE CAA TO GET THIS RESTRICTION LIFTED.IT SEEMS THAT I AM THE ONE AND ONLY HELICOPTER PILOT WITH SUCH A LICENSE.I AM REALLY CLOSE TO BECOMING THE FIRST CPL VFR DAY ONLY PILOT WITH NO RESTRICTIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN A SIMILAR STATE.
CONTACT ME PLEASE.
I HAVE JUST FOUND THIS SITE.
NOW READ THIS.
I HOLD A CPL(H) RESTRICTED TO AERIAL WORK AND INSTRUCTION ONLY.VFR DAY ONLY.I HAVE SOME 4000 HRS.I HOLD A CLASS 1(RESTRICTED)MEDICAL BECAUSE I AM COLOUR DEFECTIVE.
I AM ALSO TYPE RATING EXAMINER FOR THE CAA.
THE CAA WILL NOT LET ME FLY 'PUBLIC TRANSPORT SORTIE'S'BUT THEY WILL LET ME FLY THE FOLLOWING SORT OF TASKS.
1.CORPORATE FLIGHTS
2.LOW LEVEL SURVEY WORK
3.PHOTOGRAPHY
4.INSTRUCTION
5.EXAMINATIONS
CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT I CAN'T DO 'PUBLIC TRANSPORT'.
I AM ABOUT TO TRY AGAIN WITH THE CAA TO GET THIS RESTRICTION LIFTED.IT SEEMS THAT I AM THE ONE AND ONLY HELICOPTER PILOT WITH SUCH A LICENSE.I AM REALLY CLOSE TO BECOMING THE FIRST CPL VFR DAY ONLY PILOT WITH NO RESTRICTIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN A SIMILAR STATE.
CONTACT ME PLEASE.
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TAHIDA - like the post !!
4000hrs...but you're not safe in the eyes of the CAA - you might just fly into that Red light that you can't see.
Icebox in an email has told me that the CAA has on order some new colour testing kit which should arrive around Feb 02. At the moment they are unable to do the full gambit of JAA colour tests and are, therefore, selling people who cannot do the Ishiharas or HW lantern short.
Anyone know any more about this new kit that might be coming? <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
4000hrs...but you're not safe in the eyes of the CAA - you might just fly into that Red light that you can't see.
Icebox in an email has told me that the CAA has on order some new colour testing kit which should arrive around Feb 02. At the moment they are unable to do the full gambit of JAA colour tests and are, therefore, selling people who cannot do the Ishiharas or HW lantern short.
Anyone know any more about this new kit that might be coming? <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 793
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TAHIDA - like the post !!
4000hrs...but you're not safe in the eyes of the CAA - you might just fly into that Red light that you can't see.
Icebox in an email has told me that the CAA has on order some new colour testing kit which should arrive around Feb 02. At the moment they are unable to do the full gambit of JAA colour tests and are, therefore, selling people who cannot do the Ishiharas or HW lantern short.
Anyone know any more about this new kit that might be coming? <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
4000hrs...but you're not safe in the eyes of the CAA - you might just fly into that Red light that you can't see.
Icebox in an email has told me that the CAA has on order some new colour testing kit which should arrive around Feb 02. At the moment they are unable to do the full gambit of JAA colour tests and are, therefore, selling people who cannot do the Ishiharas or HW lantern short.
Anyone know any more about this new kit that might be coming? <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
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From: London
To FCL 3
You mentioned in 1 of your messages that you went to the NL to get the Lantern test done and that it was at a much closer distance than that at Gatwick. Do you wear glasses normally, or did you just find that being closer to the lantern it enabled you to distinguish the colours better?
If this is the case, I am going to book the next flight to NL and do the test there.
One question though, Can I still do my training in UK or will I have to do it in NL??
Regards
Ice
You mentioned in 1 of your messages that you went to the NL to get the Lantern test done and that it was at a much closer distance than that at Gatwick. Do you wear glasses normally, or did you just find that being closer to the lantern it enabled you to distinguish the colours better?
If this is the case, I am going to book the next flight to NL and do the test there.
One question though, Can I still do my training in UK or will I have to do it in NL??
Regards
Ice
Joined: Dec 2001
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From: London
To FCL 3
You mentioned in 1 of your messages that you went to the NL to get the Lantern test done and that it was at a much closer distance than that at Gatwick. Do you wear glasses normally, or did you just find that being closer to the lantern it enabled you to distinguish the colours better?
If this is the case, I am going to book the next flight to NL and do the test there.
One question though, Can I still do my training in UK or will I have to do it in NL??
Regards
Ice
You mentioned in 1 of your messages that you went to the NL to get the Lantern test done and that it was at a much closer distance than that at Gatwick. Do you wear glasses normally, or did you just find that being closer to the lantern it enabled you to distinguish the colours better?
If this is the case, I am going to book the next flight to NL and do the test there.
One question though, Can I still do my training in UK or will I have to do it in NL??
Regards
Ice
Joined: Apr 2000
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From: UK.
Good to see this is still here. I haven't checked for months now but it's still on the first screen... Well done!
Esp. interested in new stuff about testing elsewhere in Europe - very well done Bosher(?) & if 10 years is what it takes then I'll pass mine in only another 6!
I would suggest that the best thing we can do to change things/ bring the issue to light (initially at least) is to set up an information pool, just like this is developing into. So let's continue this one & not break it up. Could there be a digest/archive of colour vision threads? There have been plenty of them.
I don't suppose the issue warrants it's own section but if it's near the top the FCL people will keep reading it. There will be enough people concerned to make it work later. More success/ inconsistency stories will be available to present officially later. Keep going.
There is a way of challenging these administrative decisions in the UK - judicial review. This is an expensive procedure though, and a bit iffy in this case. It may, again, be better to wait and to something later, possibly in a more European judicial context. It would be very interesting to collect contacts and stories from the whole area covered by JAA, however.
Hullo to all at the CAA...
I see red!
Esp. interested in new stuff about testing elsewhere in Europe - very well done Bosher(?) & if 10 years is what it takes then I'll pass mine in only another 6!
I would suggest that the best thing we can do to change things/ bring the issue to light (initially at least) is to set up an information pool, just like this is developing into. So let's continue this one & not break it up. Could there be a digest/archive of colour vision threads? There have been plenty of them.
I don't suppose the issue warrants it's own section but if it's near the top the FCL people will keep reading it. There will be enough people concerned to make it work later. More success/ inconsistency stories will be available to present officially later. Keep going.
There is a way of challenging these administrative decisions in the UK - judicial review. This is an expensive procedure though, and a bit iffy in this case. It may, again, be better to wait and to something later, possibly in a more European judicial context. It would be very interesting to collect contacts and stories from the whole area covered by JAA, however.
Hullo to all at the CAA...
I see red!
Joined: Apr 2000
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From: UK.
Good to see this is still here. I haven't checked for months now but it's still on the first screen... Well done!
Esp. interested in new stuff about testing elsewhere in Europe - very well done Bosher(?) & if 10 years is what it takes then I'll pass mine in only another 6!
I would suggest that the best thing we can do to change things/ bring the issue to light (initially at least) is to set up an information pool, just like this is developing into. So let's continue this one & not break it up. Could there be a digest/archive of colour vision threads? There have been plenty of them.
I don't suppose the issue warrants it's own section but if it's near the top the FCL people will keep reading it. There will be enough people concerned to make it work later. More success/ inconsistency stories will be available to present officially later. Keep going.
There is a way of challenging these administrative decisions in the UK - judicial review. This is an expensive procedure though, and a bit iffy in this case. It may, again, be better to wait and to something later, possibly in a more European judicial context. It would be very interesting to collect contacts and stories from the whole area covered by JAA, however.
Hullo to all at the CAA...
I see red!
Esp. interested in new stuff about testing elsewhere in Europe - very well done Bosher(?) & if 10 years is what it takes then I'll pass mine in only another 6!
I would suggest that the best thing we can do to change things/ bring the issue to light (initially at least) is to set up an information pool, just like this is developing into. So let's continue this one & not break it up. Could there be a digest/archive of colour vision threads? There have been plenty of them.
I don't suppose the issue warrants it's own section but if it's near the top the FCL people will keep reading it. There will be enough people concerned to make it work later. More success/ inconsistency stories will be available to present officially later. Keep going.
There is a way of challenging these administrative decisions in the UK - judicial review. This is an expensive procedure though, and a bit iffy in this case. It may, again, be better to wait and to something later, possibly in a more European judicial context. It would be very interesting to collect contacts and stories from the whole area covered by JAA, however.
Hullo to all at the CAA...
I see red!
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From: uk
TO GIJOE,
THE NEW LANTERN SHORTLY TO ARRIVE AT GATWICK IS CALLED A 'BEYNE LANTERN'.I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS EASIER THAN THE HW..DOES ANY ONE KNOW THE PARAMETERS FOR THIS LANTERN? THERE IS ALSO A 'SPECTROLUX' LANTERN WHICH IS ACCEPTABLE.ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THIS ONE?
THE NEW LANTERN SHORTLY TO ARRIVE AT GATWICK IS CALLED A 'BEYNE LANTERN'.I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS EASIER THAN THE HW..DOES ANY ONE KNOW THE PARAMETERS FOR THIS LANTERN? THERE IS ALSO A 'SPECTROLUX' LANTERN WHICH IS ACCEPTABLE.ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THIS ONE?
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From: uk
TO GIJOE,
THE NEW LANTERN SHORTLY TO ARRIVE AT GATWICK IS CALLED A 'BEYNE LANTERN'.I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS EASIER THAN THE HW..DOES ANY ONE KNOW THE PARAMETERS FOR THIS LANTERN? THERE IS ALSO A 'SPECTROLUX' LANTERN WHICH IS ACCEPTABLE.ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THIS ONE?
THE NEW LANTERN SHORTLY TO ARRIVE AT GATWICK IS CALLED A 'BEYNE LANTERN'.I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS EASIER THAN THE HW..DOES ANY ONE KNOW THE PARAMETERS FOR THIS LANTERN? THERE IS ALSO A 'SPECTROLUX' LANTERN WHICH IS ACCEPTABLE.ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THIS ONE?
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From: London
To Tahida,
Any idea when this Beyne Lantern is arriving at Gatwick? I was told Feb. '02.
I wonder if this is the same test carried out in France? If it is, then it will be good news to a lot of people!
I will try to find out the details on this lantern test and get back to you.
Regards
Ice
[email protected]
What happens if I press this button? OOOPS!!!
Any idea when this Beyne Lantern is arriving at Gatwick? I was told Feb. '02.
I wonder if this is the same test carried out in France? If it is, then it will be good news to a lot of people!
I will try to find out the details on this lantern test and get back to you.
Regards
Ice
[email protected]
What happens if I press this button? OOOPS!!!
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 43
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From: London
To Tahida,
Any idea when this Beyne Lantern is arriving at Gatwick? I was told Feb. '02.
I wonder if this is the same test carried out in France? If it is, then it will be good news to a lot of people!
I will try to find out the details on this lantern test and get back to you.
Regards
Ice
[email protected]
What happens if I press this button? OOOPS!!!
Any idea when this Beyne Lantern is arriving at Gatwick? I was told Feb. '02.
I wonder if this is the same test carried out in France? If it is, then it will be good news to a lot of people!
I will try to find out the details on this lantern test and get back to you.
Regards
Ice
[email protected]
What happens if I press this button? OOOPS!!!
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You guys wanna hope its the "final chance" lantern test they use here in Australia. Conducted only at the Melbourne Institute of Optometry. I failed the plates and the Farnsworth. Yet out of 3 sets of 90 pairs of lights I got only two wrong. You are allowed to get maximum 3 wrong. Thats three wrong in 270 sets of lights. Now I have a class 1, no restrictions or waivers. OH YEAH!!!!!. What a relief.
The test gives you a pair of lights, with 3 seconds to tell the examiner what they are from top to bottom. The distance is approx 15 feet. The examiner sits behind you with the lantern and you view the lights via a mirror mounted on the wall in front of you. The lights themselves seem like pin head size and I had to squint to see them properly. Only two colours used, red and green. These are the only two colours displayed to an aircraft in flight. The shades vary and they are modified to simulate dust in the atmosphere etc.
You all need to get together and establish an organisation to combat the law in your country. Use Australia as an example. Create a data base of prospective pilots, pool your resources and see if you can get a law firm to take it on. You'll get their, this standard is all crap. In my opinion this test should be abollished altogether, if you study the denisson case you'll agree.
Good luck.
[ 11 January 2002: Message edited by: Soup Nazi ]</p>
The test gives you a pair of lights, with 3 seconds to tell the examiner what they are from top to bottom. The distance is approx 15 feet. The examiner sits behind you with the lantern and you view the lights via a mirror mounted on the wall in front of you. The lights themselves seem like pin head size and I had to squint to see them properly. Only two colours used, red and green. These are the only two colours displayed to an aircraft in flight. The shades vary and they are modified to simulate dust in the atmosphere etc.
You all need to get together and establish an organisation to combat the law in your country. Use Australia as an example. Create a data base of prospective pilots, pool your resources and see if you can get a law firm to take it on. You'll get their, this standard is all crap. In my opinion this test should be abollished altogether, if you study the denisson case you'll agree.
Good luck.
[ 11 January 2002: Message edited by: Soup Nazi ]</p>
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You guys wanna hope its the "final chance" lantern test they use here in Australia. Conducted only at the Melbourne Institute of Optometry. I failed the plates and the Farnsworth. Yet out of 3 sets of 90 pairs of lights I got only two wrong. You are allowed to get maximum 3 wrong. Thats three wrong in 270 sets of lights. Now I have a class 1, no restrictions or waivers. OH YEAH!!!!!. What a relief.
The test gives you a pair of lights, with 3 seconds to tell the examiner what they are from top to bottom. The distance is approx 15 feet. The examiner sits behind you with the lantern and you view the lights via a mirror mounted on the wall in front of you. The lights themselves seem like pin head size and I had to squint to see them properly. Only two colours used, red and green. These are the only two colours displayed to an aircraft in flight. The shades vary and they are modified to simulate dust in the atmosphere etc.
You all need to get together and establish an organisation to combat the law in your country. Use Australia as an example. Create a data base of prospective pilots, pool your resources and see if you can get a law firm to take it on. You'll get their, this standard is all crap. In my opinion this test should be abollished altogether, if you study the denisson case you'll agree.
Good luck.
[ 11 January 2002: Message edited by: Soup Nazi ]</p>
The test gives you a pair of lights, with 3 seconds to tell the examiner what they are from top to bottom. The distance is approx 15 feet. The examiner sits behind you with the lantern and you view the lights via a mirror mounted on the wall in front of you. The lights themselves seem like pin head size and I had to squint to see them properly. Only two colours used, red and green. These are the only two colours displayed to an aircraft in flight. The shades vary and they are modified to simulate dust in the atmosphere etc.
You all need to get together and establish an organisation to combat the law in your country. Use Australia as an example. Create a data base of prospective pilots, pool your resources and see if you can get a law firm to take it on. You'll get their, this standard is all crap. In my opinion this test should be abollished altogether, if you study the denisson case you'll agree.
Good luck.
[ 11 January 2002: Message edited by: Soup Nazi ]</p>
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From: London
To Soup Nazi
Congratulations on your Class1!!
I hope the test you did is similar to the one the CAA is getting.
If it is a test using only red and green lights, then I should stand a better chance.
You are right in what you are saying. We should form some sort of action group. There are a lot of people out there who have the potential to be a good pilot, but are unfortunately held back by some outdated set of rules.
Any chance of sending Mr Pape over here for a while????
Regards
Ice.
[ 14 January 2002: Message edited by: icebox ]</p>
Congratulations on your Class1!!
I hope the test you did is similar to the one the CAA is getting.
If it is a test using only red and green lights, then I should stand a better chance.
You are right in what you are saying. We should form some sort of action group. There are a lot of people out there who have the potential to be a good pilot, but are unfortunately held back by some outdated set of rules.
Any chance of sending Mr Pape over here for a while????
Regards
Ice.
[ 14 January 2002: Message edited by: icebox ]</p>