Colour Blindness (merged)
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Im have tryed the colour lenses, they have been around in Aust for a number of years (apparently). I failed the Plates test but after putting in my wizz bang new $400 lenses I was able to see ALL of the numbers in the book. They are hard lenses and are coloured pink! (Dont expect to be pulling the women) They make some colours seem different when using them everyday. One I noticed wass the screen on my mobile phone was much greener than ever before. They are VERY uncomfortable to wear and I have stopped wearing them as they are not recognised by CASA.
Let me know if you want more info.
Let me know if you want more info.
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Intrested in the topic about colour blindness.I have a ppl with class2 jar medical but failed the isahara plates passed the giles lantern but failed holmes wright lantern. I would like to at least instruct or earn some money or even go to America and go commercial any thoughts?
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I would challenge the CAA via their legal dept. Many commercial pilots were passed fit with the good old giles lantern. However some years ago someone decided not to allow it anymore . Many good aviators are flying after only passing the giles lantern , so why not you and many others .
First step try and get the giles lantern
re instated .
This giles lantern was even the method used by the RAF .
First step try and get the giles lantern
re instated .
This giles lantern was even the method used by the RAF .
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My thirteen year old son was crying yesterday... because it was just confirmed that he is "colour-blind" and he can't be an airline pilot... like his daddy.
My son is a "Deutan". Severe. His problem is the differentiation of green tones. And the medical regulations in my country are as restrictive as the rest.
I live in México, and am not familiar with all the terms that you people have been using on this thread. Regulations are slightly different, requirements are more or less the same. But I'm not going to let them screw my son's life.
This kid has been jump-seatting with me since he was barely able to talk, and his vision in the cockpit is better than most pilots I've known, myself included. He can spot a small traffic, day or night, even before the TCAS!!
He can differentiate EVERY single item in the cockpit of a B727, an A320, or an F100. He can tell the colours of the lights on an airplane (day or night), he can see the runway as well as I. And besides all that, his hearing is completely normal, and he can read!!!
I don't see a reason why he cannot become an airline pilot. So I'm going to start moving every single stone in our way, until the authorities realise that colour blindness is NOT necessarily an impediment to flying.
I don't know where I'll start, I don't know how long it'll take, but I DO know that I won't fail my son.
I want to thank you all for posting this thread and all the references on it, I'm sure they'll be of much needed use.
I'll keep you posted. Wish me luck.
21712
My son is a "Deutan". Severe. His problem is the differentiation of green tones. And the medical regulations in my country are as restrictive as the rest.
I live in México, and am not familiar with all the terms that you people have been using on this thread. Regulations are slightly different, requirements are more or less the same. But I'm not going to let them screw my son's life.
This kid has been jump-seatting with me since he was barely able to talk, and his vision in the cockpit is better than most pilots I've known, myself included. He can spot a small traffic, day or night, even before the TCAS!!
He can differentiate EVERY single item in the cockpit of a B727, an A320, or an F100. He can tell the colours of the lights on an airplane (day or night), he can see the runway as well as I. And besides all that, his hearing is completely normal, and he can read!!!
I don't see a reason why he cannot become an airline pilot. So I'm going to start moving every single stone in our way, until the authorities realise that colour blindness is NOT necessarily an impediment to flying.
I don't know where I'll start, I don't know how long it'll take, but I DO know that I won't fail my son.
I want to thank you all for posting this thread and all the references on it, I'm sure they'll be of much needed use.
I'll keep you posted. Wish me luck.
21712
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it seems to me that CAA just cant make up their mind what passes as colour safe and what doesn't. The standards are different from all different parts of the world. Here in NZ for my class 1 i failed the ishihara test, but passed the holmes wright lantern test, but i was still slapped with a colour vision endorsement.. *odd*. Apparently i can work this endorsement off if i pass some other tests, but if i were to pass the holmes wright in other countries i would be sweet!
If ya ask me they really needa sort them selves out and get some international standard, if they really need one at all..
The idea of a test that actually relates to what a pilot might experience is a very good one indeed.
If ya ask me they really needa sort them selves out and get some international standard, if they really need one at all..
The idea of a test that actually relates to what a pilot might experience is a very good one indeed.
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Looking at my correspondance to the CAA going back 20 years (1981)to try and get help with my red/green difficiency.
It really is a brick wall with no compassion or consideration for one's experience or ability.
I have 1500 hrs,a night rating,an instrument rating and fly my twin engined aircraft weekly throughout Europe on airways at night!
How can they logically say that I am unsafe in the right hand seat of a commercial aircraft when I am up there on my own using the same airspace and the same holds and approach facilities as ATPL's.
Everyone in aviation needs to progress and I would like to take early retirement with an ATPL and do some flying.
I have lived in hope for 20+ years and am still no nearer.
What hope is there??
It really is a brick wall with no compassion or consideration for one's experience or ability.
I have 1500 hrs,a night rating,an instrument rating and fly my twin engined aircraft weekly throughout Europe on airways at night!
How can they logically say that I am unsafe in the right hand seat of a commercial aircraft when I am up there on my own using the same airspace and the same holds and approach facilities as ATPL's.
Everyone in aviation needs to progress and I would like to take early retirement with an ATPL and do some flying.
I have lived in hope for 20+ years and am still no nearer.
What hope is there??
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There is an interesting article in the latest issue of one of the flying mags ( Flyer or TodaysPilot - sorry can't remember) about eye medical standards.
The paragraph about colour vision is interesting because it mentions a practical test that could prove far more than a book full of dots. The author is an AvMed RAF doc and so I'm inclined to take his views quite seriously.
Any thoughts anyone ?
The paragraph about colour vision is interesting because it mentions a practical test that could prove far more than a book full of dots. The author is an AvMed RAF doc and so I'm inclined to take his views quite seriously.
Any thoughts anyone ?
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I have had the same problems as most of you in this area, I am lucky and fortunate that I have passed a practical test (as I have describes on an earlier page) I got 17 out of 18 and the Australian CASA have issued me a medical with no restrictions. This is after failing the plates and the Ishihara tests. Australia has finally pushed forward into the 20th century
I think that most colourblind pilots are very frustrated because they know that their minor lack of colour vision by no way means that they are a unfit pilot. All I can say is keep getting tested you can take the tests as many times as you want in most cases, and all you have to do is pass it once!!!!!
Good luck
I think that most colourblind pilots are very frustrated because they know that their minor lack of colour vision by no way means that they are a unfit pilot. All I can say is keep getting tested you can take the tests as many times as you want in most cases, and all you have to do is pass it once!!!!!
Good luck
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As I said on another thread in this forum, i recieved a letter from CAA about the removal of my colour vision endorsements. Accompanying my shiney plastic and CLEAN medical i also recieved a letter stating that "colour vision standards are likely to become less stringent with time (ICAO are developing testing procedures that should be universally adopted in the future)", and also it did state that in aussie CASA would of passed me without any need for lantern testing. Good to see at least one country is taking a step forward to help remove what I see as a very unfair requirement, especially when it has been demonstrated time and time again that colour deficiency does not make a pilot any less safe than one with "normal" vision.
21712 -
I know what your son must feel like. I too had the dream of becomming an airline pilot from when i was knee high to a grass hopper. But at the age of 10 i was tested by the state, and told "you are red-green colour blind and cannot be a electrician, pilot.. ra ra ra ... NEXT!" - not a nice way to learn that your future ambitions of flying are now down the toilet. Dispite this I fought on, learning as much as i could about my condition only to learn that i wasn't red-green colour blind, but in fact
Deutan, just like your son! For me, i wanted to fly commercially so bad that i was prepared to take things to CAA's disputes tribunal, or even goto australia just to get the damn medical! Luckily for me i passed the holmes wright A lantern test, so there was no need. If it helps your son when it comes to a lantern test, a friend of mine who was also in the same position as me with Deutan deficiency gave me the tip that in the test.. white will look yellow, red will look red, and green will look white. Cant say it turned out that way exactly for me, but i believe his deficiency was more severe than mine. But dont worry to all those out there who think someone cheated the lantern test.. he gave up flying after a year and is now a desk jockey with some IT firm. But to 21712 and your son, dont give up. Im sure if you try hard enough your son can be a pilot just like you!
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I know what your son must feel like. I too had the dream of becomming an airline pilot from when i was knee high to a grass hopper. But at the age of 10 i was tested by the state, and told "you are red-green colour blind and cannot be a electrician, pilot.. ra ra ra ... NEXT!" - not a nice way to learn that your future ambitions of flying are now down the toilet. Dispite this I fought on, learning as much as i could about my condition only to learn that i wasn't red-green colour blind, but in fact
Deutan, just like your son! For me, i wanted to fly commercially so bad that i was prepared to take things to CAA's disputes tribunal, or even goto australia just to get the damn medical! Luckily for me i passed the holmes wright A lantern test, so there was no need. If it helps your son when it comes to a lantern test, a friend of mine who was also in the same position as me with Deutan deficiency gave me the tip that in the test.. white will look yellow, red will look red, and green will look white. Cant say it turned out that way exactly for me, but i believe his deficiency was more severe than mine. But dont worry to all those out there who think someone cheated the lantern test.. he gave up flying after a year and is now a desk jockey with some IT firm. But to 21712 and your son, dont give up. Im sure if you try hard enough your son can be a pilot just like you!
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Just flagging this up for the previous topic.
The posts relating to colour testing at the Dutch Medical Centre seemed to me to be inconclusive; I simply went to the CAA for a class 1 and failed the Holmes Wright, so I'm stuck with a BCPL. I've not given up though, and am currently in the process of applying to the FAA for a 'color signal test' to validate my FAA Class One medical.
The posts relating to colour testing at the Dutch Medical Centre seemed to me to be inconclusive; I simply went to the CAA for a class 1 and failed the Holmes Wright, so I'm stuck with a BCPL. I've not given up though, and am currently in the process of applying to the FAA for a 'color signal test' to validate my FAA Class One medical.
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Why is everyone here trying to comply with the rules ? I've seen people talking legal challenges etc. Surely the easiest option is to CHEAT ! CVD(color vision defectives) wannabes know they are safe to fly, they just need the authorities to acknowledge that, which of course they wont, so screw them, cheat !
Now, how to cheat ? I heard there were different versions of the Ishihara plates ?
Anyone know if thats true ? If you could get yourself a copy of the one they use at the real medical, surely you could learn them. And so what if there are 5 year retests, if you havent got the brain power to memorise 24 patterns once every 5 years, you shouldnt be a pilot! - You wouldnt be the first to do it, how many pilots do you think are up there now only because they cheated somewhere along the line? They'll keep it quiet too, as you would !
Remember.. "Cheating - the choice of Winners"
CVD(color vision defectives) wannabes know they are safe to fly, they just need the authorities to acknowledge that, which of course they wont, so screw them, cheat !Now, how to cheat ? I heard there were different versions of the Ishihara plates ?
Anyone know if thats true ? If you could get yourself a copy of the one they use at the real medical, surely you could learn them. And so what if there are 5 year retests, if you havent got the brain power to memorise 24 patterns once every 5 years, you shouldnt be a pilot! - You wouldnt be the first to do it, how many pilots do you think are up there now only because they cheated somewhere along the line? They'll keep it quiet too, as you would !
Remember.. "Cheating - the choice of Winners"
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Hi all.
Just over a year ago I was deemed to have a colour perception level 3 from the RAF at OASC RAF Cranwell. What that means is that I failed the Ishihara tests but passed the Lantirn. I phoned the CAA and found out that I could obtain a class 1 medical with my colour vision. Surely if I can be allowed to fly jets that can carry up to 400 people I should be fine for the RAF. Could someone let me know if there is anyway to put my arguement up against the Airforces psition. Is there any form of appeal that I could use in my case?
Thanks guys
Just over a year ago I was deemed to have a colour perception level 3 from the RAF at OASC RAF Cranwell. What that means is that I failed the Ishihara tests but passed the Lantirn. I phoned the CAA and found out that I could obtain a class 1 medical with my colour vision. Surely if I can be allowed to fly jets that can carry up to 400 people I should be fine for the RAF. Could someone let me know if there is anyway to put my arguement up against the Airforces psition. Is there any form of appeal that I could use in my case?
Thanks guys
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Hmmm.. I don't know, but were you trying to me a fast jet pilot ? I have heard of a couple of guys who were refused on non-perfect colour vision grounds. It's an interesting point, but I wonder if their justification may be based around the fact that in a 767, you tend not to have several thousand pounds of high explosives at your command. ...not that the enemy are in the habit of illuminating their strategic targets in red & green lights !
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reply for FCL3:
Can you tell me more details about your HW lanterntest taken at the Netherlands Aeromedical Institute ??
How far where you located from the machine, standing or seated ?
Was it a type A or type B ??
How much did the examination cost totally ?
Was the examiner a specialized doctor or just a nurse ?
Did you take that in normal lighting conditions or at dark ?
Did you tell something to the UK CAA about taking again an initial certification at the Netherlands Aeromedical Institute ?
Could you provide your email, want to ask something about NL.
Thanks.
Can you tell me more details about your HW lanterntest taken at the Netherlands Aeromedical Institute ??
How far where you located from the machine, standing or seated ?
Was it a type A or type B ??
How much did the examination cost totally ?
Was the examiner a specialized doctor or just a nurse ?
Did you take that in normal lighting conditions or at dark ?
Did you tell something to the UK CAA about taking again an initial certification at the Netherlands Aeromedical Institute ?
Could you provide your email, want to ask something about NL.
Thanks.
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Hello N2334M,
if you want some information about HW in The Netherlands, contact me by mail: [email protected] or [email protected] I've done HW and Ishihara in The Netherlands at the Aeromedical Institute Soesterberg. Unfortunately I failed.
Mail me, and maybe we'll find a "solution" for our problem.
Peter W.
if you want some information about HW in The Netherlands, contact me by mail: [email protected] or [email protected] I've done HW and Ishihara in The Netherlands at the Aeromedical Institute Soesterberg. Unfortunately I failed.
Mail me, and maybe we'll find a "solution" for our problem.
Peter W.
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Thanks to everyone that has added to this topic, especially Nick Mahon. I still remember the day in school when the teatcher held up these circles with different colour dots on. Most of my class mates saw the number 5 and I saw the number 9. My friends thought this was quite funny as all I have ever wanted to do was become a pilot. However I still joined the ATC and decided a flying schol was an excellent idea so off I went to cranwell. The optitian took out the book and I proceded to fail. He muttered under his breath that " theres another one that wont fly" however he set up the Latern test for me and I was told I was CP3 but due to the Eurofighter coming into service the RAF had raised their requirement to CP2 and I wouldent be able to join. I was understandably gutted, but I decided that if I could get paid a lot better and still fly around the world that becoming a commercial pilot would be fantastic! I have tried to find out if I would be ok to fly commercially but this is the fist place that I have found any substantial assistance. Thanks.
Nick Mahon
Who did you speak to in the CAA and what is their number?
Can you post if you get anywhere with the RAF (I wont be holding my breath!)
Nick Mahon
Who did you speak to in the CAA and what is their number?
Can you post if you get anywhere with the RAF (I wont be holding my breath!)