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hi guys.
i didn't got the farnsworth lantern but the anamaloscope test.
in my opinion it was a strange test. I had to look throug a telescope. I saw a circel with one red half and a green half.
The lady said that the circel must be one colour. I had to correct the greenhalf(not colour but only intensity) with one turning knob.
IS IT EVER POSSIBLE TO TRANSMIT GREEN INTO RED??
i turned the knob into a configuration that the colour diffrence was as small as possible! (altough I could still see a red and green half)but if i turned the knob further it went to light and otherwise to dark but it stays green!!
strange??
When the test was finished see said i didnt pass and i can forget the dream!
is there anybody with a similar story?
The people at the aviation center were not nice to me either! iam also a dangerous man so please go! I could see it on thier faces.
i didn't got the farnsworth lantern but the anamaloscope test.
in my opinion it was a strange test. I had to look throug a telescope. I saw a circel with one red half and a green half.
The lady said that the circel must be one colour. I had to correct the greenhalf(not colour but only intensity) with one turning knob.
IS IT EVER POSSIBLE TO TRANSMIT GREEN INTO RED??
i turned the knob into a configuration that the colour diffrence was as small as possible! (altough I could still see a red and green half)but if i turned the knob further it went to light and otherwise to dark but it stays green!!
strange??
When the test was finished see said i didnt pass and i can forget the dream!
is there anybody with a similar story?
The people at the aviation center were not nice to me either! iam also a dangerous man so please go! I could see it on thier faces.
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hi guys.
i didn't got the farnsworth lantern but the anamaloscope test.
in my opinion it was a strange test. I had to look throug a telescope. I saw a circel with one red half and a green half.
The lady said that the circel must be one colour. I had to correct the greenhalf(not colour but only intensity) with one turning knob.
IS IT EVER POSSIBLE TO TRANSMIT GREEN INTO RED??
i turned the knob into a configuration that the colour diffrence was as small as possible! (altough I could still see a red and green half)but if i turned the knob further it went to light and otherwise to dark but it stays green!!
strange??
When the test was finished see said i didnt pass and i can forget the dream!
is there anybody with a similar story?
The people at the aviation center were not nice to me either! iam also a dangerous man so please go! I could see it on thier faces.
i didn't got the farnsworth lantern but the anamaloscope test.
in my opinion it was a strange test. I had to look throug a telescope. I saw a circel with one red half and a green half.
The lady said that the circel must be one colour. I had to correct the greenhalf(not colour but only intensity) with one turning knob.
IS IT EVER POSSIBLE TO TRANSMIT GREEN INTO RED??
i turned the knob into a configuration that the colour diffrence was as small as possible! (altough I could still see a red and green half)but if i turned the knob further it went to light and otherwise to dark but it stays green!!
strange??
When the test was finished see said i didnt pass and i can forget the dream!
is there anybody with a similar story?
The people at the aviation center were not nice to me either! iam also a dangerous man so please go! I could see it on thier faces.
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Hi all,
1 Background
----------------------------
Just joined pprune a few days ago in research of changing from lawyer to pilot at 31. (erm… was originally IT).
Now, reading this thread through since 2000, I’ve noticed some desire to take CAA/JAA to issue on their unreasonable requirements for colour vision standards.
Unfortunately, nothing has been followed through. If I’m mistaken, please mail me with the relevant links.
2 Plan of attack
----------------------------
In my hope to be a possible catalyst to any action, here’s my thoughts on the action required. You’ll have to correct me if I’ve got some of the technical facts/jargon wrong.
This needs to be a 2 pronged attack.
1. Lobbying.
2. Legal Action.
3 Lobbying
----------------------------
The first is free and would just require some organisation from the members on Pprune.
After a forum/organisation to tackle the lobbying has been created, they would enlist the support of external aviation organisations to emphasise the unreasonable and discriminatory stance adopted by the CAA/JAA.
Organisations including and under the umbrella of International Council of Aircraft Owner and Pilot Associations need to be contacted.
The more signatories you have backing you, by both quantity and quality, the more pressure your lobbying will have on the CAA/JAA.
Local MP's would also need to be taken on board to support the matter and air their concerns both in writing and even raise the issue in a Commons debate.
If the JAA/CAA are alleging that it is unsafe for CVD pilots to fly in European airspace, why do they permit US pilots who would fail the JAA colour vision tests to fly in European airspace.
In addition, experts such as Dr Arthur Pape could be contacted for their technical support. Also, Dr Theresa-Jane Squire (0207 040 0240 / [email protected]) who undertook research for the CAA on this issue at City University, may prove to be a useful source of argument.
4 Legal Action
----------------------------
Since 2000 and beyond, nobody has taken action against the CAA for what seems to be a rather straight-forward case.
I understand from other posts that the JAA cannot be taken to issue, although the EASA can. Would have to look into this deeper to come to a conclusion.
The reason for inaction is probably due to lack of private funds to pay for the solicitors, barristers, expert witnesses and potential costs if case is lost.
There are solutions to this funding problem.
1. Legal Aid.
2. Insurance
3. Conditional Fee Agreement
4.1 Legal Aid
----------------------------
The area of law we are discussing seems to be employment/aviation law. I am not an expert in this area (erm… no type rating I think you say), as I’m crime/family with a touch of civil.
This would require a single person to take an action against the relevant body. If more people wish to join in the action, that is ok but not completely necessary. However, it may be a consideration that damages by the client may be sought for loss of earnings due to the discriminatory decision taken by the CAA. The likelihood of this happening will depend on the facts of the client and cannot realistically be considered until a much later stage with the expertise of the employment/aviation solicitor.
He/She would go to an employment/aviation solicitor in the UK, providing the background of their complaint and how they have been discriminated against because of their disability, and the unreasonableness of the discrimination.
Information of the unreasonableness can be supported by the FAA and other standards and the fact that the JAA/CAA permit for example, American pilots to fly in UK airspace.
The person should be on income support or a low wage to qualify for legal aid under the means test. In respect of the merit test, I’m not 100% sure if employment law under this category permits legal aid to be granted. This would have to be checked with the employment solicitor. It shouldn’t be a problem to find out, as the initial meeting should be free.
If legal aid can be granted, then the client can employ the solicitor, barristers and expert witnesses all paid for by the legal services commission (i.e. The government).
The solicitor would seek a judicial review of the CAA’s decision on this matter with the supporting evidence/ expert reports. If it is deemed that the appropriate body is European JAA/EASA, then they can be joined in addition or replacement of the CAA. Legal aid will cover the case costs all the way to the European courts.
4.2 Insurance
----------------------------
If the employment solicitor determines that legal aid is not receivable under the circumstances, then the route of insurance can be used.
Here, the relevant background information and arguments supporting your case would be given to the solicitor. He would employ a barrister to prepare an ‘advice’ on this case, with the likelihood of success.
This would cost in the region of £1000.
With this advice, the solicitor would approach certain insurance companies who would view the advice by the barrister and decide whether to enter into a contract with the client.
If they decide to enter a contract, it may be of the type whereby they would pay the total cost of solicitor/barrister/expert witnesses/potential costs for you.
If you win the case, it is likely that all of the costs would be paid by the CAA/JAA. If you lose the case, your costs are covered by the insurance company.
4.3 Conditional Fee Agreement
----------------------------
In addition to 4.2, or in replacement of, a ‘no win, no fee’ agreement may be reached with the solicitor.
If he/she can see that this case is likely to succeed, they may agree not to charge you for the costs of the case if you lose.
If you win, the costs will be taken from the otherside. The exact details of the agreement can be negotiated with them.
5 Conclusion
----------------------------
I hope that the above suggestions are taken on board and this matter progressed further, as the current state of affairs need not be how they are and have been for quite some time to the detriment of many many dreams.
I can’t see any real hindrance to taking the action, with the suggestions outlined above and cannot even see much of a defence by the CAA for their unreasonable and discriminatory stance.
Unfortunately, if this action isn’t taken now, with this current level of support; this issue will continue as it is for no need whatsoever, which will be a real shame.
1 Background
----------------------------
Just joined pprune a few days ago in research of changing from lawyer to pilot at 31. (erm… was originally IT).
Now, reading this thread through since 2000, I’ve noticed some desire to take CAA/JAA to issue on their unreasonable requirements for colour vision standards.
Unfortunately, nothing has been followed through. If I’m mistaken, please mail me with the relevant links.
2 Plan of attack
----------------------------
In my hope to be a possible catalyst to any action, here’s my thoughts on the action required. You’ll have to correct me if I’ve got some of the technical facts/jargon wrong.
This needs to be a 2 pronged attack.
1. Lobbying.
2. Legal Action.
3 Lobbying
----------------------------
The first is free and would just require some organisation from the members on Pprune.
After a forum/organisation to tackle the lobbying has been created, they would enlist the support of external aviation organisations to emphasise the unreasonable and discriminatory stance adopted by the CAA/JAA.
Organisations including and under the umbrella of International Council of Aircraft Owner and Pilot Associations need to be contacted.
The more signatories you have backing you, by both quantity and quality, the more pressure your lobbying will have on the CAA/JAA.
Local MP's would also need to be taken on board to support the matter and air their concerns both in writing and even raise the issue in a Commons debate.
If the JAA/CAA are alleging that it is unsafe for CVD pilots to fly in European airspace, why do they permit US pilots who would fail the JAA colour vision tests to fly in European airspace.
In addition, experts such as Dr Arthur Pape could be contacted for their technical support. Also, Dr Theresa-Jane Squire (0207 040 0240 / [email protected]) who undertook research for the CAA on this issue at City University, may prove to be a useful source of argument.
4 Legal Action
----------------------------
Since 2000 and beyond, nobody has taken action against the CAA for what seems to be a rather straight-forward case.
I understand from other posts that the JAA cannot be taken to issue, although the EASA can. Would have to look into this deeper to come to a conclusion.
The reason for inaction is probably due to lack of private funds to pay for the solicitors, barristers, expert witnesses and potential costs if case is lost.
There are solutions to this funding problem.
1. Legal Aid.
2. Insurance
3. Conditional Fee Agreement
4.1 Legal Aid
----------------------------
The area of law we are discussing seems to be employment/aviation law. I am not an expert in this area (erm… no type rating I think you say), as I’m crime/family with a touch of civil.
This would require a single person to take an action against the relevant body. If more people wish to join in the action, that is ok but not completely necessary. However, it may be a consideration that damages by the client may be sought for loss of earnings due to the discriminatory decision taken by the CAA. The likelihood of this happening will depend on the facts of the client and cannot realistically be considered until a much later stage with the expertise of the employment/aviation solicitor.
He/She would go to an employment/aviation solicitor in the UK, providing the background of their complaint and how they have been discriminated against because of their disability, and the unreasonableness of the discrimination.
Information of the unreasonableness can be supported by the FAA and other standards and the fact that the JAA/CAA permit for example, American pilots to fly in UK airspace.
The person should be on income support or a low wage to qualify for legal aid under the means test. In respect of the merit test, I’m not 100% sure if employment law under this category permits legal aid to be granted. This would have to be checked with the employment solicitor. It shouldn’t be a problem to find out, as the initial meeting should be free.
If legal aid can be granted, then the client can employ the solicitor, barristers and expert witnesses all paid for by the legal services commission (i.e. The government).
The solicitor would seek a judicial review of the CAA’s decision on this matter with the supporting evidence/ expert reports. If it is deemed that the appropriate body is European JAA/EASA, then they can be joined in addition or replacement of the CAA. Legal aid will cover the case costs all the way to the European courts.
4.2 Insurance
----------------------------
If the employment solicitor determines that legal aid is not receivable under the circumstances, then the route of insurance can be used.
Here, the relevant background information and arguments supporting your case would be given to the solicitor. He would employ a barrister to prepare an ‘advice’ on this case, with the likelihood of success.
This would cost in the region of £1000.
With this advice, the solicitor would approach certain insurance companies who would view the advice by the barrister and decide whether to enter into a contract with the client.
If they decide to enter a contract, it may be of the type whereby they would pay the total cost of solicitor/barrister/expert witnesses/potential costs for you.
If you win the case, it is likely that all of the costs would be paid by the CAA/JAA. If you lose the case, your costs are covered by the insurance company.
4.3 Conditional Fee Agreement
----------------------------
In addition to 4.2, or in replacement of, a ‘no win, no fee’ agreement may be reached with the solicitor.
If he/she can see that this case is likely to succeed, they may agree not to charge you for the costs of the case if you lose.
If you win, the costs will be taken from the otherside. The exact details of the agreement can be negotiated with them.
5 Conclusion
----------------------------
I hope that the above suggestions are taken on board and this matter progressed further, as the current state of affairs need not be how they are and have been for quite some time to the detriment of many many dreams.
I can’t see any real hindrance to taking the action, with the suggestions outlined above and cannot even see much of a defence by the CAA for their unreasonable and discriminatory stance.
Unfortunately, if this action isn’t taken now, with this current level of support; this issue will continue as it is for no need whatsoever, which will be a real shame.
Last edited by LawMaker; 13th Jul 2003 at 09:35.
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Hi all,
1 Background
----------------------------
Just joined pprune a few days ago in research of changing from lawyer to pilot at 31. (erm… was originally IT).
Now, reading this thread through since 2000, I’ve noticed some desire to take CAA/JAA to issue on their unreasonable requirements for colour vision standards.
Unfortunately, nothing has been followed through. If I’m mistaken, please mail me with the relevant links.
2 Plan of attack
----------------------------
In my hope to be a possible catalyst to any action, here’s my thoughts on the action required. You’ll have to correct me if I’ve got some of the technical facts/jargon wrong.
This needs to be a 2 pronged attack.
1. Lobbying.
2. Legal Action.
3 Lobbying
----------------------------
The first is free and would just require some organisation from the members on Pprune.
After a forum/organisation to tackle the lobbying has been created, they would enlist the support of external aviation organisations to emphasise the unreasonable and discriminatory stance adopted by the CAA/JAA.
Organisations including and under the umbrella of International Council of Aircraft Owner and Pilot Associations need to be contacted.
The more signatories you have backing you, by both quantity and quality, the more pressure your lobbying will have on the CAA/JAA.
Local MP's would also need to be taken on board to support the matter and air their concerns both in writing and even raise the issue in a Commons debate.
If the JAA/CAA are alleging that it is unsafe for CVD pilots to fly in European airspace, why do they permit US pilots who would fail the JAA colour vision tests to fly in European airspace.
In addition, experts such as Dr Arthur Pape could be contacted for their technical support. Also, Dr Theresa-Jane Squire (0207 040 0240 / [email protected]) who undertook research for the CAA on this issue at City University, may prove to be a useful source of argument.
4 Legal Action
----------------------------
Since 2000 and beyond, nobody has taken action against the CAA for what seems to be a rather straight-forward case.
I understand from other posts that the JAA cannot be taken to issue, although the EASA can. Would have to look into this deeper to come to a conclusion.
The reason for inaction is probably due to lack of private funds to pay for the solicitors, barristers, expert witnesses and potential costs if case is lost.
There are solutions to this funding problem.
1. Legal Aid.
2. Insurance
3. Conditional Fee Agreement
4.1 Legal Aid
----------------------------
The area of law we are discussing seems to be employment/aviation law. I am not an expert in this area (erm… no type rating I think you say), as I’m crime/family with a touch of civil.
This would require a single person to take an action against the relevant body. If more people wish to join in the action, that is ok but not completely necessary. However, it may be a consideration that damages by the client may be sought for loss of earnings due to the discriminatory decision taken by the CAA. The likelihood of this happening will depend on the facts of the client and cannot realistically be considered until a much later stage with the expertise of the employment/aviation solicitor.
He/She would go to an employment/aviation solicitor in the UK, providing the background of their complaint and how they have been discriminated against because of their disability, and the unreasonableness of the discrimination.
Information of the unreasonableness can be supported by the FAA and other standards and the fact that the JAA/CAA permit for example, American pilots to fly in UK airspace.
The person should be on income support or a low wage to qualify for legal aid under the means test. In respect of the merit test, I’m not 100% sure if employment law under this category permits legal aid to be granted. This would have to be checked with the employment solicitor. It shouldn’t be a problem to find out, as the initial meeting should be free.
If legal aid can be granted, then the client can employ the solicitor, barristers and expert witnesses all paid for by the legal services commission (i.e. The government).
The solicitor would seek a judicial review of the CAA’s decision on this matter with the supporting evidence/ expert reports. If it is deemed that the appropriate body is European JAA/EASA, then they can be joined in addition or replacement of the CAA. Legal aid will cover the case costs all the way to the European courts.
4.2 Insurance
----------------------------
If the employment solicitor determines that legal aid is not receivable under the circumstances, then the route of insurance can be used.
Here, the relevant background information and arguments supporting your case would be given to the solicitor. He would employ a barrister to prepare an ‘advice’ on this case, with the likelihood of success.
This would cost in the region of £1000.
With this advice, the solicitor would approach certain insurance companies who would view the advice by the barrister and decide whether to enter into a contract with the client.
If they decide to enter a contract, it may be of the type whereby they would pay the total cost of solicitor/barrister/expert witnesses/potential costs for you.
If you win the case, it is likely that all of the costs would be paid by the CAA/JAA. If you lose the case, your costs are covered by the insurance company.
4.3 Conditional Fee Agreement
----------------------------
In addition to 4.2, or in replacement of, a ‘no win, no fee’ agreement may be reached with the solicitor.
If he/she can see that this case is likely to succeed, they may agree not to charge you for the costs of the case if you lose.
If you win, the costs will be taken from the otherside. The exact details of the agreement can be negotiated with them.
5 Conclusion
----------------------------
I hope that the above suggestions are taken on board and this matter progressed further, as the current state of affairs need not be how they are and have been for quite some time to the detriment of many many dreams.
I can’t see any real hindrance to taking the action, with the suggestions outlined above and cannot even see much of a defence by the CAA for their unreasonable and discriminatory stance.
Unfortunately, if this action isn’t taken now, with this current level of support; this issue will continue as it is for no need whatsoever, which will be a real shame.
1 Background
----------------------------
Just joined pprune a few days ago in research of changing from lawyer to pilot at 31. (erm… was originally IT).
Now, reading this thread through since 2000, I’ve noticed some desire to take CAA/JAA to issue on their unreasonable requirements for colour vision standards.
Unfortunately, nothing has been followed through. If I’m mistaken, please mail me with the relevant links.
2 Plan of attack
----------------------------
In my hope to be a possible catalyst to any action, here’s my thoughts on the action required. You’ll have to correct me if I’ve got some of the technical facts/jargon wrong.
This needs to be a 2 pronged attack.
1. Lobbying.
2. Legal Action.
3 Lobbying
----------------------------
The first is free and would just require some organisation from the members on Pprune.
After a forum/organisation to tackle the lobbying has been created, they would enlist the support of external aviation organisations to emphasise the unreasonable and discriminatory stance adopted by the CAA/JAA.
Organisations including and under the umbrella of International Council of Aircraft Owner and Pilot Associations need to be contacted.
The more signatories you have backing you, by both quantity and quality, the more pressure your lobbying will have on the CAA/JAA.
Local MP's would also need to be taken on board to support the matter and air their concerns both in writing and even raise the issue in a Commons debate.
If the JAA/CAA are alleging that it is unsafe for CVD pilots to fly in European airspace, why do they permit US pilots who would fail the JAA colour vision tests to fly in European airspace.
In addition, experts such as Dr Arthur Pape could be contacted for their technical support. Also, Dr Theresa-Jane Squire (0207 040 0240 / [email protected]) who undertook research for the CAA on this issue at City University, may prove to be a useful source of argument.
4 Legal Action
----------------------------
Since 2000 and beyond, nobody has taken action against the CAA for what seems to be a rather straight-forward case.
I understand from other posts that the JAA cannot be taken to issue, although the EASA can. Would have to look into this deeper to come to a conclusion.
The reason for inaction is probably due to lack of private funds to pay for the solicitors, barristers, expert witnesses and potential costs if case is lost.
There are solutions to this funding problem.
1. Legal Aid.
2. Insurance
3. Conditional Fee Agreement
4.1 Legal Aid
----------------------------
The area of law we are discussing seems to be employment/aviation law. I am not an expert in this area (erm… no type rating I think you say), as I’m crime/family with a touch of civil.
This would require a single person to take an action against the relevant body. If more people wish to join in the action, that is ok but not completely necessary. However, it may be a consideration that damages by the client may be sought for loss of earnings due to the discriminatory decision taken by the CAA. The likelihood of this happening will depend on the facts of the client and cannot realistically be considered until a much later stage with the expertise of the employment/aviation solicitor.
He/She would go to an employment/aviation solicitor in the UK, providing the background of their complaint and how they have been discriminated against because of their disability, and the unreasonableness of the discrimination.
Information of the unreasonableness can be supported by the FAA and other standards and the fact that the JAA/CAA permit for example, American pilots to fly in UK airspace.
The person should be on income support or a low wage to qualify for legal aid under the means test. In respect of the merit test, I’m not 100% sure if employment law under this category permits legal aid to be granted. This would have to be checked with the employment solicitor. It shouldn’t be a problem to find out, as the initial meeting should be free.
If legal aid can be granted, then the client can employ the solicitor, barristers and expert witnesses all paid for by the legal services commission (i.e. The government).
The solicitor would seek a judicial review of the CAA’s decision on this matter with the supporting evidence/ expert reports. If it is deemed that the appropriate body is European JAA/EASA, then they can be joined in addition or replacement of the CAA. Legal aid will cover the case costs all the way to the European courts.
4.2 Insurance
----------------------------
If the employment solicitor determines that legal aid is not receivable under the circumstances, then the route of insurance can be used.
Here, the relevant background information and arguments supporting your case would be given to the solicitor. He would employ a barrister to prepare an ‘advice’ on this case, with the likelihood of success.
This would cost in the region of £1000.
With this advice, the solicitor would approach certain insurance companies who would view the advice by the barrister and decide whether to enter into a contract with the client.
If they decide to enter a contract, it may be of the type whereby they would pay the total cost of solicitor/barrister/expert witnesses/potential costs for you.
If you win the case, it is likely that all of the costs would be paid by the CAA/JAA. If you lose the case, your costs are covered by the insurance company.
4.3 Conditional Fee Agreement
----------------------------
In addition to 4.2, or in replacement of, a ‘no win, no fee’ agreement may be reached with the solicitor.
If he/she can see that this case is likely to succeed, they may agree not to charge you for the costs of the case if you lose.
If you win, the costs will be taken from the otherside. The exact details of the agreement can be negotiated with them.
5 Conclusion
----------------------------
I hope that the above suggestions are taken on board and this matter progressed further, as the current state of affairs need not be how they are and have been for quite some time to the detriment of many many dreams.
I can’t see any real hindrance to taking the action, with the suggestions outlined above and cannot even see much of a defence by the CAA for their unreasonable and discriminatory stance.
Unfortunately, if this action isn’t taken now, with this current level of support; this issue will continue as it is for no need whatsoever, which will be a real shame.
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After some consdieration I think it is about time that some lobbying, as suggested by Lawman, took place. I would like to compile a consolidated list of names and emails of people who find themselves in, as said in previous posts, this ridiculous position.
If you would like details of what I intend to do, or would like to add your name to a 'lobbying' list then send your name and email to:
[email protected]
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If you would like details of what I intend to do, or would like to add your name to a 'lobbying' list then send your name and email to:
[email protected]
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After some consdieration I think it is about time that some lobbying, as suggested by Lawman, took place. I would like to compile a consolidated list of names and emails of people who find themselves in, as said in previous posts, this ridiculous position.
If you would like details of what I intend to do, or would like to add your name to a 'lobbying' list then send your name and email to:
[email protected]
G
If you would like details of what I intend to do, or would like to add your name to a 'lobbying' list then send your name and email to:
[email protected]
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Lets hope we get a critical mass of people to get this sorted. On a related note, does anybody know where the CAA (or the law for that matter) stands on the use of colour vision 'correcting' contact lenses (ChromaGen and the like)? I asked the question a couple of years ago after failing the HW lantern test at Gatwick and was told (suprise suprise) that they were not permitted to be used in any tests. This leads to another intersting legal angle for us. If you are permitted to use ordinary eyesight correcting contact lenses (up to a maximum prescription), then why not colour vision correcting lenses? Both result in the test being passed (hopefully!) so, by the CAA's own definition, both cases are fit to fly. Anybody have any experience of using these lenses in a medical?
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Lets hope we get a critical mass of people to get this sorted. On a related note, does anybody know where the CAA (or the law for that matter) stands on the use of colour vision 'correcting' contact lenses (ChromaGen and the like)? I asked the question a couple of years ago after failing the HW lantern test at Gatwick and was told (suprise suprise) that they were not permitted to be used in any tests. This leads to another intersting legal angle for us. If you are permitted to use ordinary eyesight correcting contact lenses (up to a maximum prescription), then why not colour vision correcting lenses? Both result in the test being passed (hopefully!) so, by the CAA's own definition, both cases are fit to fly. Anybody have any experience of using these lenses in a medical?
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Had an interesting experience a while ago: I have an Australian ATPL with a Class one medical issued on the basis of a Farnsworth Lantern test, which was conducted some 20 years ago. In order to recieve a validation for an overseas licence, I was told to have another lantern test. I failed. Given that color vision percecption does not change with age, I was agahst that this should happen. The test officer also told me that she intended to notify CASA. 2 days later, I had another test conducted by a different person at the same clinic. I passed easily. The difference between the two tests and my reason for failing the first one? Simple. The first test was conducted at a distance to the lantern of 12-13 feet the 2nd test was conducted at THE STANDARD DISTANCE OF 8 feet. This is appaling; I wonder how many people have failed because the optometrist has conducted the test under non-standard conditions. These are: A fully illuminated room and a dist. of 8' (do a web search for additional info.)(incidently,my test 20 years ago was done in a dark room). If any of you thinks that they may have been tested under non-standard conditions, demand a retest. If you pass, consider litigation. Good luck to all.
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Had an interesting experience a while ago: I have an Australian ATPL with a Class one medical issued on the basis of a Farnsworth Lantern test, which was conducted some 20 years ago. In order to recieve a validation for an overseas licence, I was told to have another lantern test. I failed. Given that color vision percecption does not change with age, I was agahst that this should happen. The test officer also told me that she intended to notify CASA. 2 days later, I had another test conducted by a different person at the same clinic. I passed easily. The difference between the two tests and my reason for failing the first one? Simple. The first test was conducted at a distance to the lantern of 12-13 feet the 2nd test was conducted at THE STANDARD DISTANCE OF 8 feet. This is appaling; I wonder how many people have failed because the optometrist has conducted the test under non-standard conditions. These are: A fully illuminated room and a dist. of 8' (do a web search for additional info.)(incidently,my test 20 years ago was done in a dark room). If any of you thinks that they may have been tested under non-standard conditions, demand a retest. If you pass, consider litigation. Good luck to all.
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Just flagging this one up again to highlight the email
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Just flagging this one up again to highlight the email
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Names are coming in...but there's never a better time to add yours !!
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GIJoe,
It would be useful if you compiled full details of examples like Ralph has given, with name and dates of test, centre, tester, testee, irregularities etc.;
to support your case later on when the court is considering the competence and reasonability of CAA medical judgements.
It will permit the judge to realise that he can't just take this organisation prima facie to be one that can be relied upon to make sensible conclusions to an issue.
In addition, it will be useful when influencing your MP's and others to join with you on this matter. Of course, you will vote for them come next election
Also, did you manage to contact that web designing pilot; as he could make a centre for the lobbying side of things; akin to how the 'stop the war coalition' used the internet as a logistical base for lobbying.
Just making trouble where I can.
LawBreaker. erm.. I mean Maker.
It would be useful if you compiled full details of examples like Ralph has given, with name and dates of test, centre, tester, testee, irregularities etc.;
to support your case later on when the court is considering the competence and reasonability of CAA medical judgements.
It will permit the judge to realise that he can't just take this organisation prima facie to be one that can be relied upon to make sensible conclusions to an issue.
In addition, it will be useful when influencing your MP's and others to join with you on this matter. Of course, you will vote for them come next election
Also, did you manage to contact that web designing pilot; as he could make a centre for the lobbying side of things; akin to how the 'stop the war coalition' used the internet as a logistical base for lobbying.
Just making trouble where I can.
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GIJoe,
It would be useful if you compiled full details of examples like Ralph has given, with name and dates of test, centre, tester, testee, irregularities etc.;
to support your case later on when the court is considering the competence and reasonability of CAA medical judgements.
It will permit the judge to realise that he can't just take this organisation prima facie to be one that can be relied upon to make sensible conclusions to an issue.
In addition, it will be useful when influencing your MP's and others to join with you on this matter. Of course, you will vote for them come next election
Also, did you manage to contact that web designing pilot; as he could make a centre for the lobbying side of things; akin to how the 'stop the war coalition' used the internet as a logistical base for lobbying.
Just making trouble where I can.
LawBreaker. erm.. I mean Maker.
It would be useful if you compiled full details of examples like Ralph has given, with name and dates of test, centre, tester, testee, irregularities etc.;
to support your case later on when the court is considering the competence and reasonability of CAA medical judgements.
It will permit the judge to realise that he can't just take this organisation prima facie to be one that can be relied upon to make sensible conclusions to an issue.
In addition, it will be useful when influencing your MP's and others to join with you on this matter. Of course, you will vote for them come next election
Also, did you manage to contact that web designing pilot; as he could make a centre for the lobbying side of things; akin to how the 'stop the war coalition' used the internet as a logistical base for lobbying.
Just making trouble where I can.
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Just flagging this to the top again.
Any info on the lobbying/legal action yet to match the Australian example?
Also, here's a webiste for CVD pilots, with their own forum.
http://digilander.libero.it/cvdpilot/
Any info on the lobbying/legal action yet to match the Australian example?
Also, here's a webiste for CVD pilots, with their own forum.
http://digilander.libero.it/cvdpilot/
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Just flagging this to the top again.
Any info on the lobbying/legal action yet to match the Australian example?
Also, here's a webiste for CVD pilots, with their own forum.
http://digilander.libero.it/cvdpilot/
Any info on the lobbying/legal action yet to match the Australian example?
Also, here's a webiste for CVD pilots, with their own forum.
http://digilander.libero.it/cvdpilot/
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CVDPilot Website
Hello everybody,
I am the creator of the CVDPilot website.
I am sorry but I have to admit that the site has been unattended for ages, and the forum has not been working.
The email to contact me is also expired. If you need any information you can contact me privately via pprune messages.
I quit my project because I solved all my problems regarding colour vision and I started studying for the JAR ATPL, that's why I did not have time to continue...
If anybody is interested in building a new site or modifying and improving the existing, I would be very happy about it. Feel free to contact me to obtain more information.
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I just wanted to point out something and emphasize what Ralf the Bong just posted...
I also had the same problem... I failed ishihara in Gatwick (UK)and passed them in Barcellona (Spain)... Spain and UK are both JAR-FCL member Countries and they both release JAR-FCL medical certification of equivalent validity.
I currently hold a fully unrestricted JAR-FCL Class 1 medical certificate.
It really makes sense to analyze how the test is conducted by the doctor and make sure that is properly done.
I think a lot of factors could influence the score on a ishihara test, like for example the type of light source (neon - normal light bulb - sunlight), the distance it is showed to the patient, if it is showed with two eyes or covering just one and so on...
And then another critical issue is:
FAA standards state that the disqualifying number of errors for a 24plate ishihara edition are 7 or more.
JAA states that you must be able to identify all of them with no mistakes in less that 3 seconds per plate.
I personally think that this discrimination between FAA/JAA is very important.
It makes me think a lot... from a point of view of human discrimination.
Regards.
I am the creator of the CVDPilot website.
I am sorry but I have to admit that the site has been unattended for ages, and the forum has not been working.
The email to contact me is also expired. If you need any information you can contact me privately via pprune messages.
I quit my project because I solved all my problems regarding colour vision and I started studying for the JAR ATPL, that's why I did not have time to continue...
If anybody is interested in building a new site or modifying and improving the existing, I would be very happy about it. Feel free to contact me to obtain more information.
-----------------------------------------
I just wanted to point out something and emphasize what Ralf the Bong just posted...
I also had the same problem... I failed ishihara in Gatwick (UK)and passed them in Barcellona (Spain)... Spain and UK are both JAR-FCL member Countries and they both release JAR-FCL medical certification of equivalent validity.
I currently hold a fully unrestricted JAR-FCL Class 1 medical certificate.
It really makes sense to analyze how the test is conducted by the doctor and make sure that is properly done.
I think a lot of factors could influence the score on a ishihara test, like for example the type of light source (neon - normal light bulb - sunlight), the distance it is showed to the patient, if it is showed with two eyes or covering just one and so on...
And then another critical issue is:
FAA standards state that the disqualifying number of errors for a 24plate ishihara edition are 7 or more.
JAA states that you must be able to identify all of them with no mistakes in less that 3 seconds per plate.
I personally think that this discrimination between FAA/JAA is very important.
It makes me think a lot... from a point of view of human discrimination.
Regards.
Last edited by N2334M; 26th Sep 2003 at 03:01.
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CVDPilot Website
Hello everybody,
I am the creator of the CVDPilot website.
I am sorry but I have to admit that the site has been unattended for ages, and the forum has not been working.
The email to contact me is also expired. If you need any information you can contact me privately via pprune messages.
I quit my project because I solved all my problems regarding colour vision and I started studying for the JAR ATPL, that's why I did not have time to continue...
If anybody is interested in building a new site or modifying and improving the existing, I would be very happy about it. Feel free to contact me to obtain more information.
-----------------------------------------
I just wanted to point out something and emphasize what Ralf the Bong just posted...
I also had the same problem... I failed ishihara in Gatwick (UK)and passed them in Barcellona (Spain)... Spain and UK are both JAR-FCL member Countries and they both release JAR-FCL medical certification of equivalent validity.
I currently hold a fully unrestricted JAR-FCL Class 1 medical certificate.
It really makes sense to analyze how the test is conducted by the doctor and make sure that is properly done.
I think a lot of factors could influence the score on a ishihara test, like for example the type of light source (neon - normal light bulb - sunlight), the distance it is showed to the patient, if it is showed with two eyes or covering just one and so on...
And then another critical issue is:
FAA standards state that the disqualifying number of errors for a 24plate ishihara edition are 7 or more.
JAA states that you must be able to identify all of them with no mistakes in less that 3 seconds per plate.
I personally think that this discrimination between FAA/JAA is very important.
It makes me think a lot... from a point of view of human discrimination.
Regards.
I am the creator of the CVDPilot website.
I am sorry but I have to admit that the site has been unattended for ages, and the forum has not been working.
The email to contact me is also expired. If you need any information you can contact me privately via pprune messages.
I quit my project because I solved all my problems regarding colour vision and I started studying for the JAR ATPL, that's why I did not have time to continue...
If anybody is interested in building a new site or modifying and improving the existing, I would be very happy about it. Feel free to contact me to obtain more information.
-----------------------------------------
I just wanted to point out something and emphasize what Ralf the Bong just posted...
I also had the same problem... I failed ishihara in Gatwick (UK)and passed them in Barcellona (Spain)... Spain and UK are both JAR-FCL member Countries and they both release JAR-FCL medical certification of equivalent validity.
I currently hold a fully unrestricted JAR-FCL Class 1 medical certificate.
It really makes sense to analyze how the test is conducted by the doctor and make sure that is properly done.
I think a lot of factors could influence the score on a ishihara test, like for example the type of light source (neon - normal light bulb - sunlight), the distance it is showed to the patient, if it is showed with two eyes or covering just one and so on...
And then another critical issue is:
FAA standards state that the disqualifying number of errors for a 24plate ishihara edition are 7 or more.
JAA states that you must be able to identify all of them with no mistakes in less that 3 seconds per plate.
I personally think that this discrimination between FAA/JAA is very important.
It makes me think a lot... from a point of view of human discrimination.
Regards.
Last edited by N2334M; 26th Sep 2003 at 03:01.