Australia: Training, Licence Conversion, Job Prospects
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All the schools you mentioned are good. I trained at Chopperline and i think the training was excellent. Very experienced instructors, however, they are just a training organisation and do not hire low time pilots, for this reason i would choose a company who have jobs up for grabs once you finish your training (Unless you have a job to go to)....The helicopter group in MEL. do have joy fights in alice spring that you might get a start at. so do PHS. others i do not know if you want to muster go to a company thats up in the mustering areas. Hope this helps a bit. good luck. sorry i forgot AIRWORKS helicopters in caboolture..bell 47 and good rates also blue tounge in maroochydore
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Hi Tambaran,
I,ve just read your posting. I am a Brit,learnt to fly in Sydney. I,ve been in the Australian industry for roughly eight years. Ended up working for two flying schools there Bankstown Helicopters and Helimuster.
I ended up finishing my instructoer days with Chopperline in Caloundra. Chopperline were with out a doubt the more professional and dedicated to thier students, and cheapest. A delightful chap called Tub Mathersom ran the school. (ex lt col, Oz army to which he also ran the army training school before he finished with them)
In retrospect, I would have done all my training with them. I,m now flying Offshore with many of his ex army pals,whom all have lots of respect for him and his school.
Becker was a new guy on the block just starting out, as i was leaving.
hope this helps. There is far more prospects in Canada!!
I,ve just read your posting. I am a Brit,learnt to fly in Sydney. I,ve been in the Australian industry for roughly eight years. Ended up working for two flying schools there Bankstown Helicopters and Helimuster.
I ended up finishing my instructoer days with Chopperline in Caloundra. Chopperline were with out a doubt the more professional and dedicated to thier students, and cheapest. A delightful chap called Tub Mathersom ran the school. (ex lt col, Oz army to which he also ran the army training school before he finished with them)
In retrospect, I would have done all my training with them. I,m now flying Offshore with many of his ex army pals,whom all have lots of respect for him and his school.
Becker was a new guy on the block just starting out, as i was leaving.
hope this helps. There is far more prospects in Canada!!
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How do you make yourself more employable in Australia
I recently completed my CPLh and am now looking for a job. I am from a cattle background and ride, fence, motorbike, muster etc,,,etc. I thought this would help my ambition to be a chopper pilot but alas no! Can any of you employed pilots tell me just what the employers are looking for. Thanks in advance.
if you dont want to post it here please send it to my e-mail whick is in my profile, again thanks guys and girls
if you dont want to post it here please send it to my e-mail whick is in my profile, again thanks guys and girls
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Your background is certainly an advantage if you are looking for a mustering job, which is a good way to gain hours and flying skills. If you are looking for any other type of helicopter flying then you will encounter the familiar 'Catch-22' situation. You need hours (experience) to become employable and the better quality of those hours (PIC, night, CTZ ops etc), the more employable you become. Other ways you can build hours are to become an instructor, or if you are able, join the military. Some of the larger companies employ co-pilots so sit for your IREX exam and get yourself as well qualfied as you can. Don't give up as I believe that you are in a good position. There are lots of us old buggers that are coming up to retirement age and it's enthusiastic people like yourself who will be filling the vacancies in the next few years. Good luck.
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Another option would be to go to the US.Enroll in a flight school that issues J1 visas.Do the US CPL and CFI (flight instuctors course).The FAA and the school will want you to do at least 15 hours Dual,you'll have to suffer leaving Oz and putting up with the Yanks but you'll get a 2 year visa out of it ,they're crying out for pilots (especially CFI's).Build as many hours as you can,and on returning to OZ,CASA will recognise the CFI rating (thats what they told me a couple of years ago).If your not interested in instructing there are other jobs to be found (photography,geo surveys etc)but they're not so easy to find.
There's approx 30000 civil helos in the world and 20000 are in the US,with around 8000 in Canada.If you want to kickstart your career its the way to go!
There's approx 30000 civil helos in the world and 20000 are in the US,with around 8000 in Canada.If you want to kickstart your career its the way to go!
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That nice, I got nothing against you guys in Oz either. There is a bit of a demand for flight instructors right now. Most of it is fixed wing but a lot of helicopter schools are looking too, if you are R-22. I if not then the pickings can be a bit slim. Nice to know that the United States is good for something.
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Be carefull about taking on a co-pilot position too early in your career, as without at least 1000hrs PIC, you may never get a command position on many contracts. It can be a way to get started but lots of guys have been stuck as co-pilots for lots of years?
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Helo Schools in Aus
Hey - I currently work in Aus as an ATC an would like to jump ship to the pilot world. Im not keen to fly trash in some fixed wing for years on end to make the regionals then if im lucky make airlines when im 102 years old.
Anybody know of any good helo schools in Australia (websites/email addresses helpfull) or any experienced pilots/operators who can handle some industry questions before I dive in the deep end.
Any help appreciated.
Anybody know of any good helo schools in Australia (websites/email addresses helpfull) or any experienced pilots/operators who can handle some industry questions before I dive in the deep end.
Any help appreciated.
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Hi, Some of the schools that i know are good are Chopperline, Blue Tongue and Helicopter group in Melbourne. The first three are on the sunshine coast. Chopperline have very experienced instructors who are also authorised testing officers. Blue Tongue is a good school. i couldnt choose betwen them when i was looking around, but i went with Chopperline cos it had the theory in house and it was the cheapest too. Mate if you have a job to go too i would say quit your job now and go do it, cos its great. However if you dont have a flying job lined up think long and hard about taking unpaid leave from the job you are in get your heli rating and look for work. You will find getting a job very difficult unless you know the righe people or are prepared to wait it out in the territory for around one year doing mostly unpaid work in the hangar or selling tickets for scenics and then you might get to do the flying side of things. Please let us know how you go on this forum as i have not found many Australian pilots use this forum. I wish we did . anyhow good luck and enjoy the flight training
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I fly a 767 & dislike it. Always wanted to learn to fly choppers so I started some training. I looked at Mike Becker, Bluetounge & Chopperline in Caloundra. They were all good outfits but I ended up choosing Chopperline & they are great. Very professional but still relaxed. Go for it.
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Harsh considering my exploits so far.
I find it interesting in these competitive times about how companies will respond to enquiries. I have emailed 6-9 helo schools in Australia with a page long email stating my exact position (experience and financial)and asking for advice. I got one very very thourough responce (just happened to be from Mike Becker) and one weak (but beter than none) responce from a company in Perth. From the other emails I have recieved nothing.
Fair enough they probably get sick of enquiries all the time. What they don't realise is that I am in a lucky situation at the moment where I am earning lots and lots and lots of money and I plan on spending a very large quantity on helo training at the end of the year. So far Becker is winning hands down (obviously I wont base my decision on emails alone - but initial impressions count for a lot). Do they want my $40,000 grand or not - if they don't even have the time to send me an email I guess not!!!.
Stunty.......turns and walks away disapointed.
I find it interesting in these competitive times about how companies will respond to enquiries. I have emailed 6-9 helo schools in Australia with a page long email stating my exact position (experience and financial)and asking for advice. I got one very very thourough responce (just happened to be from Mike Becker) and one weak (but beter than none) responce from a company in Perth. From the other emails I have recieved nothing.
Fair enough they probably get sick of enquiries all the time. What they don't realise is that I am in a lucky situation at the moment where I am earning lots and lots and lots of money and I plan on spending a very large quantity on helo training at the end of the year. So far Becker is winning hands down (obviously I wont base my decision on emails alone - but initial impressions count for a lot). Do they want my $40,000 grand or not - if they don't even have the time to send me an email I guess not!!!.
Stunty.......turns and walks away disapointed.
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Stunty
Best you stick to ATC with your wad of money otherwise you will not be able to afford the beer hobby due to a lack of 'vouchers' once you become a 'Wobble Head'. On a more serious note; Good luck, your situation of poor return correspondence from flying schools and in the future, prospective employers will not improve wherever you go in the World. But perseverance will pay off.
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Best you stick to ATC with your wad of money otherwise you will not be able to afford the beer hobby due to a lack of 'vouchers' once you become a 'Wobble Head'. On a more serious note; Good luck, your situation of poor return correspondence from flying schools and in the future, prospective employers will not improve wherever you go in the World. But perseverance will pay off.
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I'm a UK pilot who trained in the US in 95.I enquired to many schools worldwide and got a 100% response from the american schools.The US is booming in rotary aviation at the moment and if you can get a J1 Visa its the place to go.UK schools did not seem to be interested in my money NZ gave me a reasonable response and Blue Tongue also gave me some info.My own opinion is that you are in the position of power at the moment choose your school very wisely and give yourself the best opportunity to build hours after you get your licence.
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More on Aus Heli Schools...
I have been researching the Aus training situ but I am not in a position to travel very far since I need to hold my current job to finance the bottomless pit!
I got a very good reference for Bankstown Helos from the Insurance Pool & pilots/associates I spoke to. Bill Miller certainly did impress me (equally his IPs who took me over the site) but the problem is really the choice available - I can only afford it if I train in Sydney.
Further discussion on training/making a start in Australia would be appreciated...
Especially this stuff about hanging out *unpaid* in the NT for a year or TWO(!?) before getting even a chance to drive a mustering heli?!!?? I would actually do this no problem if I though it would result in a job that would give 4-500hrs a year till I was able to command better prospects.
Especially in Aus, the bush lifestyle is one of the attractive aspects of the profession and "going bush" for a few years to consolidate experience/hours is really rather appealing to me, since I am well and truly ready to get shut of the big city for a bit.
I got a very good reference for Bankstown Helos from the Insurance Pool & pilots/associates I spoke to. Bill Miller certainly did impress me (equally his IPs who took me over the site) but the problem is really the choice available - I can only afford it if I train in Sydney.
Further discussion on training/making a start in Australia would be appreciated...
Especially this stuff about hanging out *unpaid* in the NT for a year or TWO(!?) before getting even a chance to drive a mustering heli?!!?? I would actually do this no problem if I though it would result in a job that would give 4-500hrs a year till I was able to command better prospects.
Especially in Aus, the bush lifestyle is one of the attractive aspects of the profession and "going bush" for a few years to consolidate experience/hours is really rather appealing to me, since I am well and truly ready to get shut of the big city for a bit.