Hours building: Questions, Ideas, Advice, Countries etc
JAR-FCL 2.155
(b) Modular courses
(1) Experience. An applicant for a
CPL(H) who is not a graduate from an
integrated flying training course shall have
completed as a pilot on helicopters having a
certificate of airworthiness issued or accepted
by a JAA Member State at least 185 hours of
flight time.
What about hour building in the USA or Canada?
How does the UK CAA see this? Is any N-registered machine generally accepted then?
(b) Modular courses
(1) Experience. An applicant for a
CPL(H) who is not a graduate from an
integrated flying training course shall have
completed as a pilot on helicopters having a
certificate of airworthiness issued or accepted
by a JAA Member State at least 185 hours of
flight time.
What about hour building in the USA or Canada?
How does the UK CAA see this? Is any N-registered machine generally accepted then?
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Peter - Stop spamming the threads!!! 4 messages and all saying exactly the same. And to top it this is in the rotorheads section.
I'm sure many will appreciate your offer but lets be a little more tactful.
I'm sure many will appreciate your offer but lets be a little more tactful.
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Is it cheap because you don't pay for your advertising? 
Wouldn't imagine there are too many Rotorheads who'd be interested in a C152
You could always try asking on the Professional Training Forum? Oh, you already have!!! 
Cheers
Whirls
Wouldn't imagine there are too many Rotorheads who'd be interested in a C152
You could always try asking on the Professional Training Forum? Oh, you already have!!! Cheers
Whirls
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Hello, i just completed my CPL-H and IR-H, FAA.
got about total 170h in R22, 105h PIC.
(on a J1 visa, but willing to move where-ever in the world to get a job. Same with converting to JAA, or other regulations)
Do you guys know any companies that's hiring low time pilots?
got about total 170h in R22, 105h PIC.
(on a J1 visa, but willing to move where-ever in the world to get a job. Same with converting to JAA, or other regulations)
Do you guys know any companies that's hiring low time pilots?
Kezo,
Please don't--it has been discussed here before--please read those threads.
You might want to check your J-visa VERY closely---I think you will find that it allows you to work as a CFI ONLY. I stand to be corrected though.
fly for food
Hello, i just completed my CPL-H and IR-H, FAA.
got about total 170h in R22, 105h PIC.
(on a J1 visa, but willing to move where-ever in the world to get a job. Same with converting to JAA, or other regulations)
Do you guys know any companies that's hiring low time pilots?
got about total 170h in R22, 105h PIC.
(on a J1 visa, but willing to move where-ever in the world to get a job. Same with converting to JAA, or other regulations)
Do you guys know any companies that's hiring low time pilots?
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yes i know its a for Instructors only, that's why I'm hoping to get a job somewhere else than US, but getting a greencard isn't impossible either.
Regarding other threads,, most of them are 3-10years old,
and today's job availability has changed drastically the last few months.
That's why i ask here. Couldn't find a better place to ask.
Regarding other threads,, most of them are 3-10years old,
and today's job availability has changed drastically the last few months.
That's why i ask here. Couldn't find a better place to ask.
getting a greencard isn't impossible
Regarding other threads,, most of them are 3-10years old,
today's job availability has changed drastically the last few months
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Kezo there are jobs out there, maybe it has something to do with your attitude. Pissing of Gordy for instance shows me you haven't got a clue who's who in the industry.
Willing is only one kind of right attitude Kezo.
If a pilot with Gordy's experience posts here, you might be wise to pay a little more respect, even if you don't like or agree with everything written.
In addition to hour-building, you could help your career chances by taking an English course, "coz u'rs sux". Hope for your and the professions sakes' that is isn't your first language.
TT
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English isn't my first language.
And it isn't much of a help when people start trolling when asking for advice or help.
yea, your right about that, think i overreacted with that one. *deleted*.
Anyhow, back to topic.
Anyone know about any companies taking in low-time pilots?
And it isn't much of a help when people start trolling when asking for advice or help.
If a pilot with Gordy's experience posts here, you might be wise to pay a little more respect, even if you don't like or agree with everything written.
Anyhow, back to topic.
Anyone know about any companies taking in low-time pilots?
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Kezo,
You say you want a JAA licence, have you actually looked into the groundschool involved for the JAA next to the FAA?
Its not easy and very very time consuming, all of the exams have to be covered, for CPL(H) thats 9 and 14 for ATPL(H). You can kiss away a few months in which to study for them.
You say you want a JAA licence, have you actually looked into the groundschool involved for the JAA next to the FAA?
Its not easy and very very time consuming, all of the exams have to be covered, for CPL(H) thats 9 and 14 for ATPL(H). You can kiss away a few months in which to study for them.
Hb and TT--thanks for your support.
Kezo,
I understand that you overreacted and have deleted your post. I did copy it before deletion, and will answer some of your concerns, (without embarrassing you and re-posting your comments). HillerBee and Torquetalk are correct, there are many who dis-agree with my points of view, but at least hear them and form your own opinion.
After almost 30 years in aviation of which almost 20 is flying helicopters in the US, I feel I have somewhat an understanding of the industry. I may not have my finger on the pulse of the flight instruction industry as I am no longer actively involved, although having spent many years at a "large" school, I am on first name, "drop in unannounced for a beer" terms with many of the key players. I can tell you that the industry is STILL dealing with the Silver State debacle. Just the other day Sallie Mae announced it will no longer accept applications for student loans after May 8Th. I personally know 2 CFI's who had just finished their training at Silver State and are still looking for jobs.
Back to hour building and working for free.
Working for free is not the answer. This is one of my pet peeves, as many can attest to that I taught during CFI classes years ago. Yes, I am in a good paying job, but I did NOT EVER work for free. I served my time as a CFI, and admittedly I got to do other work also. The problem with offering to work for free, is that it demeans those of us who need the money to pay our bills. It also happens at the "back end" of people' careers. Case in point:
I receive annual factory training in our aircraft that is paid for by the company. One of our "mature" pilots told the boss that he did not expect to be paid for the two days of training. (He is a part time seasonal pilot who also draws a military pension). This then makes me look bad because I need to be paid. I explained this to the "boss", and it is now our company policy that we ARE paid our base "8's" for training--we do not however receive our flight pay--that is reserved for operational or ferry flying.
As for "ferry flying". My company has contracts all over the country which we fly our aircraft to. (The boss being a mechanic not a pilot--chooses to not truck them). We are free to let people fly with us on ferry flights--in the last two years, I have allowed "new guys" to fly with me at no cost, (they pay their own hotel, food and travel home), and log the hours to the tune of around 75 hours in an L4. Before you ask--I have a list of people longer than my arm already. I will be honest though--this is all straight and level, no emergency procedures, and in reality they are not the PIC although they do all the stick time. I also require them to have a CFI license. It is pure hours is all--a prospective employer would realise that.
We also have frost and rain contracts with farmers. We occasionally get called and will allow people to sit in the other seat and log time--again they are a "dead stick" and as such do not get paid. These people are generally those we know in the area---we have never just taken someone based on an e-mail or thread posting.
SO yes there are opportunities out there, and hopefully you have now adjusted your tactics. I would guess that you stand little to no chance without a CFI. So my advice to you would be to get a CFI, get out there and meet people face to face. Also, I was once told that when joining a new company, be the first to arrive, the last to leave, and keep my mouth shut until I know who the players are.
As for the green card, not that I need one, but I searched E-bay and Craigslist, maybe you should apply for the lottery.
Good luck.
Kezo,
I understand that you overreacted and have deleted your post. I did copy it before deletion, and will answer some of your concerns, (without embarrassing you and re-posting your comments). HillerBee and Torquetalk are correct, there are many who dis-agree with my points of view, but at least hear them and form your own opinion.
After almost 30 years in aviation of which almost 20 is flying helicopters in the US, I feel I have somewhat an understanding of the industry. I may not have my finger on the pulse of the flight instruction industry as I am no longer actively involved, although having spent many years at a "large" school, I am on first name, "drop in unannounced for a beer" terms with many of the key players. I can tell you that the industry is STILL dealing with the Silver State debacle. Just the other day Sallie Mae announced it will no longer accept applications for student loans after May 8Th. I personally know 2 CFI's who had just finished their training at Silver State and are still looking for jobs.
Back to hour building and working for free.
Working for free is not the answer. This is one of my pet peeves, as many can attest to that I taught during CFI classes years ago. Yes, I am in a good paying job, but I did NOT EVER work for free. I served my time as a CFI, and admittedly I got to do other work also. The problem with offering to work for free, is that it demeans those of us who need the money to pay our bills. It also happens at the "back end" of people' careers. Case in point:
I receive annual factory training in our aircraft that is paid for by the company. One of our "mature" pilots told the boss that he did not expect to be paid for the two days of training. (He is a part time seasonal pilot who also draws a military pension). This then makes me look bad because I need to be paid. I explained this to the "boss", and it is now our company policy that we ARE paid our base "8's" for training--we do not however receive our flight pay--that is reserved for operational or ferry flying.
As for "ferry flying". My company has contracts all over the country which we fly our aircraft to. (The boss being a mechanic not a pilot--chooses to not truck them). We are free to let people fly with us on ferry flights--in the last two years, I have allowed "new guys" to fly with me at no cost, (they pay their own hotel, food and travel home), and log the hours to the tune of around 75 hours in an L4. Before you ask--I have a list of people longer than my arm already. I will be honest though--this is all straight and level, no emergency procedures, and in reality they are not the PIC although they do all the stick time. I also require them to have a CFI license. It is pure hours is all--a prospective employer would realise that.
We also have frost and rain contracts with farmers. We occasionally get called and will allow people to sit in the other seat and log time--again they are a "dead stick" and as such do not get paid. These people are generally those we know in the area---we have never just taken someone based on an e-mail or thread posting.
SO yes there are opportunities out there, and hopefully you have now adjusted your tactics. I would guess that you stand little to no chance without a CFI. So my advice to you would be to get a CFI, get out there and meet people face to face. Also, I was once told that when joining a new company, be the first to arrive, the last to leave, and keep my mouth shut until I know who the players are.
As for the green card, not that I need one, but I searched E-bay and Craigslist, maybe you should apply for the lottery.
Good luck.
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try baileys helicopters there in fort st john they are really nice and will get you flying the 44 first then the 206 then as350 give them a ring first .start looking at getting a holiday working visa now. do not go to a place called quest helicopters there in the middle of no where and are a bunch of cxxxs
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Greetings
Hey folks, Paul here. New to this forum and just wanted to say hello and thank those of you who have entertained me so far. I look forward to speaking with you in the future.
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cheers everyone.
thanks for all the info. (way more than i could have imagined)
i'm just thinking of paying for all the training from nin to ppl, cpl/atpl, ir etc, all helicopter.
i have the funds to do all but with everyone here saying not to do it for free (does that still include me?) i don't want to pee anyone off.
any takers?????
7heaven
or is it best just not to train in the first place?
thanks for all the info. (way more than i could have imagined)
i'm just thinking of paying for all the training from nin to ppl, cpl/atpl, ir etc, all helicopter.
i have the funds to do all but with everyone here saying not to do it for free (does that still include me?) i don't want to pee anyone off.
any takers?????
7heaven
or is it best just not to train in the first place?
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This question is more for interest than anything, and stems from an article I read about someone going to Russia to fly a Mi-8 at ridiculously cheap rates. So...
Where is the absolute cheapest place in the world to log some hours?
Let's say a UK PPL holder building towards CPL.
Any helicopter, any country. The more interesting the better!
Where is the absolute cheapest place in the world to log some hours?
Let's say a UK PPL holder building towards CPL.
Any helicopter, any country. The more interesting the better!
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When you say more interesting, the better, you have to be a tad careful.
The funniest one I can remember is a chap I used to know telling me he did his hours building on a Parker 45.
Now for those of you, like me, who have never heard of any helicopter made by Parker, you'd be quite right.
He sat at home filling his log book in with a pen -- a Parker 45 to be precise.
That was about 25 years ago now, but it still makes me smile. I suppose it shouldn't really, but I was young then, and I've yet to grow up.
Big Ls
The funniest one I can remember is a chap I used to know telling me he did his hours building on a Parker 45.
Now for those of you, like me, who have never heard of any helicopter made by Parker, you'd be quite right.
He sat at home filling his log book in with a pen -- a Parker 45 to be precise.
That was about 25 years ago now, but it still makes me smile. I suppose it shouldn't really, but I was young then, and I've yet to grow up.
Big Ls
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How to get experience?
Good day Captains.
How do you get experience on Turbines and twins?
I have 1000 + hours, IF rating and Instructors but cant seem to find work with turbines. I dont want to go fly in Africa to get that experience.
What is the best option?
Safe Flying!
How do you get experience on Turbines and twins?
I have 1000 + hours, IF rating and Instructors but cant seem to find work with turbines. I dont want to go fly in Africa to get that experience.
What is the best option?
Safe Flying!