Helmets - Should you? and Which?
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Wizard of Oz
Steve76 is selling a couple of SPH5, have a look at his posting earlier on, or in another thread called Helmet paiting I posted 2 weeks ago.
Nulian
From talking with other drivers, it seems the gallet is the better one for you due to a lower profile.
Steve76 is selling a couple of SPH5, have a look at his posting earlier on, or in another thread called Helmet paiting I posted 2 weeks ago.
Nulian
From talking with other drivers, it seems the gallet is the better one for you due to a lower profile.
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nulian, Im 5'11", and I fit Ok in the 22. However it does sem to depend on the 22. In our NVFR ship, the seat is higher than the other ships, and my helmet (SPH-5) rubs a little, meaning I have to slouch a little. I believe that the HGU- 56 (army), and the HGU - 84 (navy, marines), are a slimer profile. Other wise the alpha or the gallet may be the ay to go. The good thing about the SPH-5 is there are lots around, and available second hand.
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Nulian.....
The very quick answer is:.....None.
Professional EMS/SAR folk here in Oz that decided to trial them are now going back to Alpha's and Gentex.......
Professional EMS/SAR folk here in Oz that decided to trial them are now going back to Alpha's and Gentex.......
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Good Helmets for Sale
Guys and Gals,
I could go onto E-bay with this but I wanted to make sure that the word got out into the helo community first.
I have a great source for used Gentex SPH5 helmets for new or old pilots.
They are used in an Air Ambulance operation by medics and are in the 1 - 3 year old range. All have dual visors and are white in colour. They are used about 2hrs a week on average and some have not been used for a year or so.
They come equiped with all avionics and the standard SPH5 liner.
Sizes vary from Medium to XL.
At this time I have 3 available. One is an XL absolutely the closest thing to brand new as it has only been used 4 times.
The others are mediums and have a few scratches on the top of them where the guys place them down on the ground while attending to a patient. NONE have been dropped.
I remember when I started I paid $800 for a beat up old SPH4 with the internal strap system that gave me a monster headache. In comparison these are half the weight and twice the comfort.
The XL is going for $1100 dollars canadian normally $1800 new. I have photos and that I can send to a buyer.
The others are going for $1000 canadian each, but I may be able to negociate them cheaper.
Buyer pays for shipping to worldwide.
I want to see these helmets go to people who are going to use them. I will make sure they are cleaned and in good working condition. If you have any troubles with them you can send it back and I will refund your purchase price ...... you have my word.
They will eventually go onto ebay and into the US market so if you are interested email me at [email protected] and I will send you pictures.
There will be more as time goes and as I get them I will put out the word.
I could go onto E-bay with this but I wanted to make sure that the word got out into the helo community first.
I have a great source for used Gentex SPH5 helmets for new or old pilots.
They are used in an Air Ambulance operation by medics and are in the 1 - 3 year old range. All have dual visors and are white in colour. They are used about 2hrs a week on average and some have not been used for a year or so.
They come equiped with all avionics and the standard SPH5 liner.
Sizes vary from Medium to XL.
At this time I have 3 available. One is an XL absolutely the closest thing to brand new as it has only been used 4 times.
The others are mediums and have a few scratches on the top of them where the guys place them down on the ground while attending to a patient. NONE have been dropped.
I remember when I started I paid $800 for a beat up old SPH4 with the internal strap system that gave me a monster headache. In comparison these are half the weight and twice the comfort.
The XL is going for $1100 dollars canadian normally $1800 new. I have photos and that I can send to a buyer.
The others are going for $1000 canadian each, but I may be able to negociate them cheaper.
Buyer pays for shipping to worldwide.
I want to see these helmets go to people who are going to use them. I will make sure they are cleaned and in good working condition. If you have any troubles with them you can send it back and I will refund your purchase price ...... you have my word.
They will eventually go onto ebay and into the US market so if you are interested email me at [email protected] and I will send you pictures.
There will be more as time goes and as I get them I will put out the word.
Nulian
I use the Gallet LH250 with ANR and I am happy with the headroom as I fly B206L which has not very much room expecially on the LH side.
However I believe the LH050 gives you even more headroom as the visor is internal only versus the LH250 has dual internal and external visors.
If you only need one solar smoked screen then the 050 might be the ticket for you! You will not get lower profile helmet anywhere, I think.
I use the Gallet LH250 with ANR and I am happy with the headroom as I fly B206L which has not very much room expecially on the LH side.
However I believe the LH050 gives you even more headroom as the visor is internal only versus the LH250 has dual internal and external visors.
If you only need one solar smoked screen then the 050 might be the ticket for you! You will not get lower profile helmet anywhere, I think.
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Which helmet?
Sorry, guys, I realize that this question was asked here for years but I surprisingly found that search function is disabled on this forum, so:
could somebody point me out to the place where helicopter helmets are discussed. I'm looking for helmet for small helo/ enclosed autogyro with small cockpit.
Thanks in advance,
Alex
Here's the thread you wanted.
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Heliport
could somebody point me out to the place where helicopter helmets are discussed. I'm looking for helmet for small helo/ enclosed autogyro with small cockpit.
Thanks in advance,
Alex
Here's the thread you wanted.
All part of the world-famous Rotorheads service.
Heliport
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Of Course you should!
At the end of the day, the helmet prevents you (more than likely) from being knocked out (and there have been many thousands of examples of this) therefore preventing you hopefuly from being burnt to death while knocked out, hence escape. Pax tourists or what ever, got to look after number one, besides it looks the part!
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Steve76, mate, I am interested in a medium size.
had a drama trying to email so heres my expresion of interest.
would love a picture to have a look at. [email protected]
cheers, Wiz
had a drama trying to email so heres my expresion of interest.
would love a picture to have a look at. [email protected]
cheers, Wiz
OK Wiz....
I just saw this message and have a couple arriving this weekend. I will check them out and get back to you at that address.
Email your head size in CM or IN to me at
[email protected]
Cheers bro,
Have fun out there
Steve
I just saw this message and have a couple arriving this weekend. I will check them out and get back to you at that address.
Email your head size in CM or IN to me at
[email protected]
Cheers bro,
Have fun out there
Steve
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As yet I've never flown with a helmet 
Appreciate that any supplier will let me try one on in the shop but do any in the UK let you 'borrow' one so that you can actually try flying with it
My only concern is headroom. At 6'2" theres very little spare room in a 22 and given the cost I'd sleep easier if I could try before I buy
Appreciate that any supplier will let me try one on in the shop but do any in the UK let you 'borrow' one so that you can actually try flying with it
My only concern is headroom. At 6'2" theres very little spare room in a 22 and given the cost I'd sleep easier if I could try before I buy
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Has anyone any experience of the David Clark helmet that incorporates existing headsets? I know it looks mickey mouse compared to a pro Gentex, but as a PPL having invested in decent DC headsets and also converted them to ANR, the DC helmet would seem to be a sensible option and save junking the headsets.
PPLs have a simple decision to make - no complications over paying passenger's reactions, etc. Seems if we're honest, the only factor is fear of being laughed at. As a 100hr a year B47 private pilot, having followed this thread from the beginning, it seems I'd be mad not to wear something to protect me from a potentially fatal crack on the side of the head in a roll-over.
'Yes Mrs B47 widow, he did a good auto after engine failure but the only field available was soft and ploughed. He did his best, but with no wind that day, he still had a little forward speed on touchdown. The aircraft rolled over and he died from a blow to the head from the sharp edges on the B47 door frame.....'
And a Sioux on its side throws 200 ltrs of Avgas over a red-hot turbo, so even if you're only knocked out......
Seems protecting my wife from that scenario should be more important that worrying about 'does my head look silly in this?'
Also, the glare with the 'no roof' B47 bubble forces you to wear some kind of peak or visor. Anyone know where to find visors and peaks that fix to the DC helmet? DC say many aftermarket ones fit, but no-one can tell me where to get them.
(advice on zero auto touchdowns in nil wind not required..!)
PPLs have a simple decision to make - no complications over paying passenger's reactions, etc. Seems if we're honest, the only factor is fear of being laughed at. As a 100hr a year B47 private pilot, having followed this thread from the beginning, it seems I'd be mad not to wear something to protect me from a potentially fatal crack on the side of the head in a roll-over.
'Yes Mrs B47 widow, he did a good auto after engine failure but the only field available was soft and ploughed. He did his best, but with no wind that day, he still had a little forward speed on touchdown. The aircraft rolled over and he died from a blow to the head from the sharp edges on the B47 door frame.....'
And a Sioux on its side throws 200 ltrs of Avgas over a red-hot turbo, so even if you're only knocked out......
Seems protecting my wife from that scenario should be more important that worrying about 'does my head look silly in this?'
Also, the glare with the 'no roof' B47 bubble forces you to wear some kind of peak or visor. Anyone know where to find visors and peaks that fix to the DC helmet? DC say many aftermarket ones fit, but no-one can tell me where to get them.
(advice on zero auto touchdowns in nil wind not required..!)
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Flying helmets
Had to wear flying helmets and in a previous life and it was something that we didn't even think about. It was compulsory so that was that. I now fly training helicopters primarily and sometimes wear a helmet. If I am doing sightseeing where there is a constant change of passengers I usually don't wear one, more to interact with the punters than for any other reason.
I think there is no argument that helmets save lives and give you a much better chance when it all goes wrong. I also think you should wear a nomex suit and gloves but we don't always do that, do we?
I think there is no argument that helmets save lives and give you a much better chance when it all goes wrong. I also think you should wear a nomex suit and gloves but we don't always do that, do we?
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Good to see so much world wide common sense towards the use of a lid in helicopters. Until recently I was working for an offshore operator, and having come from an aerial work environment, continued to wear my sph5.
The response from within the company was extraordinary. After a number of conversations with managment in which my desire to wear head protection was repeatedly questioned I was finally threatened with disciplinary action/dismisal (one to one and behind closed doors of course) if I failed to comply with the company policy (which was now being quickly constructed in an office somewhere else) which apparently forbid pilots to wear head protection whilst working for them.
My feelings went something like, liferafts, lifejackets, underwater escape training and passenger evacuation training are all made some what redundant if you've knocked yourself out during a forced landing/crash. My brief research suggested that even in a relatively survivable crash, statistically this was likely to happen. I pointed out that for my money you may as well throw the life rafts etc in to the stormy ogin and take the extra payload.However, this was seen as a flippant remark and thrown out immediatley.
I was amazed by the attitudes I encountered and saddened by the lack of support I recieved. I now work somewhere else as free thinking individual, because my life is more important than my pay cheque.
Look after you head, it's constantly looking after you. It doesn't take much to break it, even one as thick as mine. Take care and safe flying.
The response from within the company was extraordinary. After a number of conversations with managment in which my desire to wear head protection was repeatedly questioned I was finally threatened with disciplinary action/dismisal (one to one and behind closed doors of course) if I failed to comply with the company policy (which was now being quickly constructed in an office somewhere else) which apparently forbid pilots to wear head protection whilst working for them.
My feelings went something like, liferafts, lifejackets, underwater escape training and passenger evacuation training are all made some what redundant if you've knocked yourself out during a forced landing/crash. My brief research suggested that even in a relatively survivable crash, statistically this was likely to happen. I pointed out that for my money you may as well throw the life rafts etc in to the stormy ogin and take the extra payload.However, this was seen as a flippant remark and thrown out immediatley.
I was amazed by the attitudes I encountered and saddened by the lack of support I recieved. I now work somewhere else as free thinking individual, because my life is more important than my pay cheque.
Look after you head, it's constantly looking after you. It doesn't take much to break it, even one as thick as mine. Take care and safe flying.
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FYI:
According to MSA Gallet the LH helmets has the following spec:
Protection against impact:
- MIL-DTL-87174/A
Protection against perforation of the shell and outer visor:
- MIL-DTL-87174/A
Resistance of the retention system in accordance with standards:
- EN 966:1996
Audio protection:
Passive attenuation of LH Helmet – ANSI S312.42 1995 (MIRE method)
Heat and fire protection: flame retardant outside coating.
The visors are in accordance with standard MIL-V-43511B and EN 1836:1997.
That may not count as an approval stamp - but it can't be that bad...
RD
According to MSA Gallet the LH helmets has the following spec:
Protection against impact:
- MIL-DTL-87174/A
Protection against perforation of the shell and outer visor:
- MIL-DTL-87174/A
Resistance of the retention system in accordance with standards:
- EN 966:1996
Audio protection:
Passive attenuation of LH Helmet – ANSI S312.42 1995 (MIRE method)
Heat and fire protection: flame retardant outside coating.
The visors are in accordance with standard MIL-V-43511B and EN 1836:1997.
That may not count as an approval stamp - but it can't be that bad...
RD
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Flying helmets and underslung load ops
FODCOM 11/04
Issued: 26 May 2004
Recommends Operators implement procedures to require all crew members wear protective flying helmets when conducting underslung load operations.
Issued: 26 May 2004
Recommends Operators implement procedures to require all crew members wear protective flying helmets when conducting underslung load operations.
WEARING OF PROTECTIVE HELMETS BY CREW MEMBERS ENGAGED IN UNDERSLUNG LOAD OPERATIONS
1.1 History
1.1.1 In the Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) report following the investigation into a recent accident involving the carriage of underslung loads by a UK registered helicopter, the safety benefit of flight crew wearing protective flying helmets was highlighted.
1.1.2 The CAA, in consultation with the British Helicopter Advisory Board, agrees that the wearing of these protective flying helmets by flight crew members would provide them with an additional level of safety and protection, but feels that this should be applicable to all crew members carried in the aircraft during
underslung load operations.
1.2 Recommendation
1.2.1 Operators are recommended to implement procedures to require that all crew members wear protective flying helmets when conducting underslung load operations.
1.1 History
1.1.1 In the Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) report following the investigation into a recent accident involving the carriage of underslung loads by a UK registered helicopter, the safety benefit of flight crew wearing protective flying helmets was highlighted.
1.1.2 The CAA, in consultation with the British Helicopter Advisory Board, agrees that the wearing of these protective flying helmets by flight crew members would provide them with an additional level of safety and protection, but feels that this should be applicable to all crew members carried in the aircraft during
underslung load operations.
1.2 Recommendation
1.2.1 Operators are recommended to implement procedures to require that all crew members wear protective flying helmets when conducting underslung load operations.
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Agree
The military has requisitioned many studies on the benefits of helmets and I believe that the civilian world should take note.
I certainly believe that ALL EMS operators should wear them as a matter of course due to the unknown missions that are asked of the crew.
The number of US EMS operators not wearing helmets surprises me no end. Get your crews into them. How many head injuries do you guys respond to each year on the road? Doesn't that hit home at all? Throw a comb in your pocket if you are worried about "helmet hair".
UK and Australian aircraft flying EMS/SAR all wear helmets. Seems to be the norm Down Under. Can't comment on other parts of the globe.
I certainly believe that ALL EMS operators should wear them as a matter of course due to the unknown missions that are asked of the crew.
The number of US EMS operators not wearing helmets surprises me no end. Get your crews into them. How many head injuries do you guys respond to each year on the road? Doesn't that hit home at all? Throw a comb in your pocket if you are worried about "helmet hair".
UK and Australian aircraft flying EMS/SAR all wear helmets. Seems to be the norm Down Under. Can't comment on other parts of the globe.
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Helmet microphones
I`m in the process of purchasing a helmet for police ops, has anybody got any idea what type of microphone I would need? ie dynamic or electret.
The company I`m buying from want to know the impedence level etc. But none of the engineers seem to know.
I won`t be able to speak to an avionics engineer until next week so I thought I`d try here.
Thanks for any help.
The company I`m buying from want to know the impedence level etc. But none of the engineers seem to know.
I won`t be able to speak to an avionics engineer until next week so I thought I`d try here.
Thanks for any help.