Apologies, my stubborn northern mind set only assuming north means anything above Yorkshire... :}

Actually 'the north' is anything above Bristol...

Hi J,
Thanks a lot for taking the time to help me out it is greatly appreciated. Like you I did turn down the modular option before but I still think that it wouldn't be as smooth as the integrated routes. Today my girlfriend was flying to Italy and she sent me a video of her walking across the tarmac to the plane and within me, I just felt a rush of excitement and I would love to wake up and experience that feeling every single day.

I've seen this Jet2 apprenticeship scheme before, I don't fully understand it, it talks about learning all about Jet2 but then it's called 'pilot apprenticeship' so do you end up with an MPL? CPL? ATPL? How much would an introductory lesson be? I've learnt that a PPL is a good kickstarter so would this be a good idea - Finish A-Levels --> PPL --> Get a job --> keep applying for modular and integrated courses whilst still working --> pause/stop work if accepted to a course ?
Thanks.

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In the 1980s and 1990s, Jet2 was known as Channel Express.
I used to jumpseat on their Herald’s, Electra’s and A300s to work.
Fine people.
I completely understand you wanting to work there.
But that’s not the issue.
The issue is ‘time’.

Now your only 15, and time is on your side.
I started as a British Airways engineering apprentice at age 16.
I didn’t commit to being a pilot until I was 18.
So this may not be relivant in your case.
But you always have to consider the negative consequences.
Something they never tell you in their marketing.
I completed a four year apprentiship in the early 1980s.
During a very nasty time in the U.K.
Last in - First out.
I was laid off along with three million others.

Now if you were to commit to Jet2 apprentice pilot program.
And the economy took a nose dive.
As it often does every twelve or so years.
(Last downturn 2009.)
What do you think would happen?
The same thing that happened to me.
Out on your ear.

It wasn’t a problem because I had a PPL/IMC, money and a plan.
For I didn’t want to do that mechanic job for the rest of my life.
But it sure was a wake up call to the ways of the world.

Now if you had spent your time flying instead of working Jet2 customer service assignments.
When the next recession hits, at least you’ll have your licenses and some experience to fall back on.

Networking is very important in any industry.
Get to know the airline and it’s people.
Keep track of names and faces.
Go to all seminars and family days and tours.
Meet as many people as you can.
It’s good practice on giving the right impression.

As for Intergrated Vs Modular.
I like cheap as possible, quick as possible and save your money for a quality MCC and a B737 type rating.
With this and some experience in a starter job and some internal recommendations.
I think you’ll be in far better standing with them.

Having an airline monitor your progress through flight training is also a huge burden I wouldn’t want.
It’s a hard enough career taking two check rides a year.


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That helps so much, so it’s pretty much clear to stay away from scheme and airline mentored integrated routes. Given that Brexit isnt going very well I guess the aviation industry will be effected heavily. Ultimately I want to be flying to Italy, Spain etc carrying excited kids on their first holidays, maybe inspiring some kids to grow up and become pilots perhaps how one pilot did to me. Once I’ve got everything for an fATPL I need to think about type ratings although the A320 is more futuristic I think that the 737 is more of a pilots plane, I don’t want to say down letting a computing fly the plane I want to be doing the flying, has anyone got a comparison or something to aid me with this? At the careers fair I’ll go to as many stalls as possible whilst going to as many seminars as possible. Do the fairs have the same airlines at each fair or is it different for each venue?

From a lot of researching I have come up with more questions,

If you do a ME CPL do you need to get a MEP Rating at all?
Is it possible to do a SE CPL then a MEP Rating?
What the best sequence to do the CPL, MEP and ME/IR in?

Correct. You need to do the course (6 hours) but you don't need to take the test or get the rating, saving at least £1000.

If you're converting from an FAA IR via the 50 hour pic route, i think you'd be exempt the mep course if your FAA IR already had multi privileges (I'll need to read up on that)

Pilot training loans? (July 2018)
 

Before I begin, I'd like to say that I have looked on previous threads about the subject, however most are outdated on the subject. I've searched through pages of Google and only come across forums, with too, outdated answers. After weighing up the risks and rewards over the past 6 months my parents have agreed to use their house as security if they can get the type of loan I will go on to ask about below. I thought I would add this as a common theme within the threads I have read have been, 'are you sure' on using a property as security and after carefully considering and agreeing with alot of the risks, but also the rewards, they have agreed to do so. Also a bit of background. The course I have looked into visited is the "Aeros Fastrack" course with Aeros in the UK. Its a modular course,but depending on how available you are, you can work through it like an integrated course, but primarily it is an modular course. I just wanted to clear all that up :).

Is anybody aware of a company or bank that will offer loans over 10 years, for pilots or just in general, of £55,000, secured with a property obviously (of which is worth £135,000), and that comes with holiday period of 18 months or upward. I'm aware these a very niche and rare. BBVA used to provide this service, targeted at future pilots, but it was withdrawn last year.
Our aim is to take out a secured loan over 10 years, against the property, of £55,000,and have the holiday period so that upon completion of the training, you can pay back, at an increased rate because of the holiday, a set amount each month. Alternatively, are there any companies or banks that will allow you to pay reduced amounts back in the 18 months and then upon completion of training increase your payments. And finally, does anybody know of any companies or banks that offer loans and schemes targeted directly at pilots or pilot training. If not, are there any other way of funding these modular courses?
Thank alot,

Ever heard of a 0% credit card?

Hi, thanks for the response.
Isn't there a maximum amount that you can borrow over a limited time using a 0% credit card?
Thanks alot,

It was a bit tongue in check, although there's no limit on how many credit card you can have. Why do you want £55,000 in particular?

I'm guessing it's via the Wings Alliance white tail programme. Council Van, where does one look for such insurance policies?

Hours of flight
 

Hello my friends.After hard working for several years, i am about to join a flight academy in Europe in order to have my ATPL studies.As soon as i am looking for the best school which suits me best i have a decent concern and need your help.
I ve read that after finish school you just have 250h of flying. Airlines require 1500h in order to have an interview. Several schools advertise that their students can find a job directly after their atpl program is over and also have posts with their students get hired from airlines like ryanair etc.
So can you please help me what should i do ?Ithink that in order to reach 1500hours after school cost THOUSANDS of money that cant afford extra. Which academy do you recommend and moreover what is the chances to get a job.
Thank you!

I would think the 1500hrs flight time requirement only applies to the USA, not EASA or EU pilots. Someone correct me if I'm wrong there but that's what I'm aware of.

You can always get an interview; 1500h is the amount of hours in the EU to get your "frozen" ATPL "unfrozen".

So he doesn't have to pay for those 1500hrs (or 1250hrs) but rather get paid as he works from 250hrs to 1500hrs, right?

I was just asking/clarifying in reference to the original concerns by Silverds88 above where he thinks he needs to have 1500hrs before an airline interview which I believe is a US requirement but not here in EASA/EU.

1500hrs and an unfrozen ATPL opens a lot of doors if I'm reading stories correctly but that still doesn't mean a low-hour (250hrs) pilot is out of luck, right?

Be careful of the differences between FAA and EASA.

For EASA multi crew aircraft, you only need a CPL and IR to be a first officer, which you can get with 200 hours (or less if you go integrated).

An ATPL is only required to be a captain. That's when you need 1500 hours (amongst other things). Most airlines want 3-4,000 hours to get a command anyway, so there's no rush..

Plenty of European airlines are hiring people with 200 hours.

Thanks for that confirmation, rudestuff! So an applicant for FO with 200hrs is a reality; I guess once you're in, that 1500hrs will come with the territory after a few years!

Modular Training in Hungary
 

Hi all! I am looking at going down the modular route for my fATPL. I plan on doing PPL, hours building, ATPL theory, CPL, MEP CR & MEP-IR. I will then come back to the UK for MCC/JOT.

Does anyone know if going to a non-UK, cheaper school out in Hungary will have a negative effect on prospects once back in the UK? There is a number of schools near Bp that offer these courses and I plan to go and visit, but I won't really be able to find out what reputation these schools have with UK airlines.

Looking for an aviation college
 

Hi everyone

I'm a Belgium senior high school student. I'm obsessed by aviation and I already got my PLL. My dream is to become a commercial pilot. My goal is to get my ATPL as fast as possible but I would also want a (usefull) university degree as a backup. I'm looking for a college which offers aviation related degrees and doesn't stretch my ATPL training to much. There options are very limited in Belgium so I was thinking about the UK or US but I don't know where to start.

Most my grades are around 70%-75%. Costs and fees aren't a reall issue but the cheaper the better as long as the quality stays the same.

Small sidenote: I don't have my ppl yet but I'm done with my training. I'm now waiting for my 17th birthday to do my exam.

Hi there, I am in a similar situation. I started PPL when I was 16.Got my license when I was 17.I too intend to complete a degree. I have looking forward at the degree offered by the Kingston University, UK. Bsc. in Aviation Studies for Commercial Pilot Training(UCAS CODE :H461) About two years back they offered a top up degree where you can skip the first two years and get into third year. The requirements were a PPL and ATPL theory completed. But now you have to have A/Ls or some recognised previous education or a foundation degree with them. That means it takes two years time for me as I will have to do a foundation degree. The fees were around 9000eur per year. Not exactly sure about the fees. Do yourself a quick research and you'll find out. This degree is now not listed in their website but if you email them they'll answer your questions. My plan is to complete ATPL and CPL and apply to an airline. If I am unsuccessful I'll go with the degree and try applying again.
BTW when do you turn 17?
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Guys/Gals,

Don't be so stead fast on you pursuit to the RHS of a jet. Use your youth to party, travel, mess up and plainly enjoy yourself... trust me the seat isn't as comfortable after a few years anyways.

:rolleyes:

What courses to increase employability
 

Afternoon all,

After some research I think I’ve nailed down my choice of modular flying school, my decision will be definite after a visit sometime this week.

The school offers a fast track course from zero to frozen hero.

I’ve heard that modular won’t always have the connections to airline HR like an integrated school would. My question is what courses could be obtained down the line to improve employability.

Hope that makes sense

Look forward to future responses

Thanks your post it helped a lot. What specific degree is this? I'm 16 now my birthday is the 22th of October. I really hope that the weather will be good enough to fly.

AngelsTen

Just out of interest which school did you choose? And have you done your ATPL theory yet?

This is a Bachelors degree :
https://www.kingston.ac.uk/undergrad...ilot-training/
Wish you best of luck with the flight test.

Need help looking for a flight school in U.K. for integrated APTL.
 

Hello guys,

This is Nelson, from Macau (Located near H.K.). Portuguese passport holder (EU citizen).

I am looking for a flight school in U.K. (Because studying in U.K. the dream of my lifetime :) ) with a good reputation, and suitable for a self-fund student (From 0 to ATPL) to apply an integrated ATPL.

The following flight school always appear on aviation forums, what do you think about them? Any good suggestions for flight school other than them?

CAE Oxford
L3
Airways Aviation
Aeros Flight Training
CATS Aviation Training
Skies aviation academy
Airways aviation
Craven College

Please share your experience/ rumours about the flight school on above/ the school you're recommended, your feedback will be absolutely valuable to my future pathway on aviation.

Thank you soooo much guys!

CPL MEP IR
 

Hello

Im about to finish my hour building stage and be ready for a CPL/MEP/IR. Im wondering how much the price of the courses will actually be compared to the advertised ones ? Like any good rule of thumb for example +10-20% of the advertised one ? Im pretty sure that the actual prices will be more just like with PPL where the price advertised is just for the minimum requirements but barely anyone makes it with the minimum. And also does anyone know any good CPL/MEP/IR offers out there in europe at the moment ?

Bartolini Air in Poland
Diamond Flight Academy in Sweden

There's a new thread about cadet programs and I am just wondering even if they were open, why would someone spend £120K on an integrated programme when you can spend half that on a modular course? Even if the airline underwrites your loan, why take out a £120K loan when you can take out half that amount? The only advantage I can see is if the airline takes on the cost of training and bonds the student afterwards, so the applicant has a job after training. Surely the links that the big 3 have to airlines isn't worth twice the cost of modular training?

Not looking to start a "which is better" argument here, just trying to see what the guys who go for £120K training sees that is worth the investment.

Quite the opposite in my opinion. Barely anyone goes over the minimums.