Generation CAE MPL easyJet
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From: Manchester, UK
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Generation EasyJet training costs.
I am currently going through the interview process for the generation Easy Jet program. I don't know if this would be the correct place to ask but I'm thinking I might as well.
I understand the easyJet will provide a wage once you start training with them, but I am wondering about how the training with CAE works before that.
Is it all onsite training before the fair weather flight school?
Is costs/accommodation accounted for or would I have to find tha myself?
If I have to find that myself, what would be a suitable means to find funding for that?
And if so, what would be an estimated cost?
Sorry guys if this isn't the right place to ask.
I understand the easyJet will provide a wage once you start training with them, but I am wondering about how the training with CAE works before that.
Is it all onsite training before the fair weather flight school?
Is costs/accommodation accounted for or would I have to find tha myself?
If I have to find that myself, what would be a suitable means to find funding for that?
And if so, what would be an estimated cost?
Sorry guys if this isn't the right place to ask.
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From: Caithness
Delays
Hi guys,
Just a little inside scoop on the EZY MPL. I’m at the end of phase 1, so this is still subject to change. For the core flight phase, CAE have now changed how they’re doing it. So the 2/3 courses ahead of me are now going to Spain for the core flight phase, which will massively reduce the hold pool waiting times in Phoenix. They are still sending my course, the 1 ahead, and the 1 behind to Phoenix, which they expect to have no or very minimal delay as a result of sending the few courses ahead to Spain.
The MPL itself, personally, is a great prospect and becoming a much more validated way into the right seat, just as the integrated ATPL did a few decades ago. The conditional offer is just that, conditional. You have to achieve the correct standard throughout the course, which is a completely understandable requirement, in my opinion. Someone mentioned on this forum (I can’t remember who), that the MPL is a huge risk if the airline goes under, which is completely correct, as shown by the Monarch and FlyBe MPL schemes. Being aware of the financials of the airline that you’re applying to is a vital bit of information to base your decision on (easyJet has very little risk of going under, but it’s never 0 risk, nothing ever is).
There is also a pilot liaison team who are in regular (minimum once a month) contact with each course, and are situated within the same building that we are doing the course in, and it’s heavily emphasised that you can go and chat to them whenever you like, especially if you’re having issues and want to directly talk to easyJet.
No course is zero risk, what happens if you finish the end of the integrated/modular course and you don’t get employed? It’s all about finding out the course that is the most right for you, and the appeal of the easyJet MPL seemed right for me.
If you would like any more information, my DMs are open. 😊
Just a little inside scoop on the EZY MPL. I’m at the end of phase 1, so this is still subject to change. For the core flight phase, CAE have now changed how they’re doing it. So the 2/3 courses ahead of me are now going to Spain for the core flight phase, which will massively reduce the hold pool waiting times in Phoenix. They are still sending my course, the 1 ahead, and the 1 behind to Phoenix, which they expect to have no or very minimal delay as a result of sending the few courses ahead to Spain.
The MPL itself, personally, is a great prospect and becoming a much more validated way into the right seat, just as the integrated ATPL did a few decades ago. The conditional offer is just that, conditional. You have to achieve the correct standard throughout the course, which is a completely understandable requirement, in my opinion. Someone mentioned on this forum (I can’t remember who), that the MPL is a huge risk if the airline goes under, which is completely correct, as shown by the Monarch and FlyBe MPL schemes. Being aware of the financials of the airline that you’re applying to is a vital bit of information to base your decision on (easyJet has very little risk of going under, but it’s never 0 risk, nothing ever is).
There is also a pilot liaison team who are in regular (minimum once a month) contact with each course, and are situated within the same building that we are doing the course in, and it’s heavily emphasised that you can go and chat to them whenever you like, especially if you’re having issues and want to directly talk to easyJet.
No course is zero risk, what happens if you finish the end of the integrated/modular course and you don’t get employed? It’s all about finding out the course that is the most right for you, and the appeal of the easyJet MPL seemed right for me.
If you would like any more information, my DMs are open. 😊
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From: Leiria, Portugal
Hello Everyone,
I hope this message finds you guys well.
I have been trying to get into the EasyJet MPL Pilot course with CAE, and in the last few days, I received approval for the stage 2 assessment, meaning that I can move to stage 3. However, I have learned that for candidates excluding those from the UK, there are 130 people waiting for space in the stage 3 assessment.
Does anyone know anything about this and if I will be able to get into any of the course dates presented for August, September, and December in Madrid and Brussels? I am very concerned about the uncertainty given at the moment and would appreciate any information or insights.
Thanks for the help.
I hope this message finds you guys well.
I have been trying to get into the EasyJet MPL Pilot course with CAE, and in the last few days, I received approval for the stage 2 assessment, meaning that I can move to stage 3. However, I have learned that for candidates excluding those from the UK, there are 130 people waiting for space in the stage 3 assessment.
Does anyone know anything about this and if I will be able to get into any of the course dates presented for August, September, and December in Madrid and Brussels? I am very concerned about the uncertainty given at the moment and would appreciate any information or insights.
Thanks for the help.
Last edited by smok3n; 2nd August 2024 at 10:39.
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Training (or lack of) in Malaga
Hi, I hate to bring you bad news, but I am on the first course who were sent out to Malaga mid-May this year. It is now August 10th and I have only just been scheduled my first two flights this coming week. We were told by both CAE and the easy liaison team that the first class would be prioritised, as it’s been so long since we finished groundschool (our last exam was 14th December 2023!). CAE have now turned around and told us that we will be sharing instructors equally with the other three classes out here, and have no sort of enhanced training plan in place to get us back on course for our sim phase in Milan, which was scheduled to start w/c 11th November. We have a class who finished groundschool 2 months ago scheduled to be only 4-6 weeks behind us, starting this coming Monday. With the current instructor number (4 including the CFI, so basically 3) and the projected progress of certification, there will be 7 instructors ready, to share between 74 cadets, come September, which is simply not feasible. These numbers currently allow for an absolute maximum of barely 2 flights each, per week. We fear that with no adjusted contingency training plan, we will be out in Malaga for the best part of a year, with the summer easyJet induction looking, more likely by the week, to be out of our grasp. Pretty much every cadet out here is filled with complete uncertainty and a lot of frustration and I myself and quite a few cadets are now seriously considering leaving and picking up ATPL training elsewhere. I will update you as things progress, but as it currently stands I see the setup of the Malaga base as a complete and utter failure and the treatment of the cadets from CAEs side has been absolutely horrendous. I will of course update on any progression, but from cancelled meetings with no communication, to blatant lies about what to expect, I have run out of words for how I can explain this situation.
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From: Italy
Hello Everyone,
I hope this message finds you guys well.
I have been trying to get into the EasyJet MPL Pilot course with CAE, and in the last few days, I received approval for the stage 2 assessment, meaning that I can move to stage 3. However, I have learned that for candidates excluding those from the UK, there are 130 people waiting for space in the stage 3 assessment.
Does anyone know anything about this and if I will be able to get into any of the course dates presented for August, September, and December in Madrid and Brussels? I am very concerned about the uncertainty given at the moment and would appreciate any information or insights.
Thanks for the help.
I hope this message finds you guys well.
I have been trying to get into the EasyJet MPL Pilot course with CAE, and in the last few days, I received approval for the stage 2 assessment, meaning that I can move to stage 3. However, I have learned that for candidates excluding those from the UK, there are 130 people waiting for space in the stage 3 assessment.
Does anyone know anything about this and if I will be able to get into any of the course dates presented for August, September, and December in Madrid and Brussels? I am very concerned about the uncertainty given at the moment and would appreciate any information or insights.
Thanks for the help.
If you pass Stage 3 you will have to start the course within one year from the assessment date.
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From: Amsterdam
Just adding this to this thread, from another MPL thread I posted it in:
Hi, I hate to bring you bad news, but I am on the first course who were sent out to Malaga mid-May this year. It is now August 10th and I have only just been scheduled my first two flights this coming week. We were told by both CAE and the easy liaison team that the first class would be prioritised, as it’s been so long since we finished groundschool (our last exam was 14th December 2023!). CAE have now turned around and told us that we will be sharing instructors equally with the other three classes out here, and have no sort of enhanced training plan in place to get us back on course for our sim phase in Milan, which was scheduled to start w/c 11th November. We have a class who finished groundschool 2 months ago scheduled to be only 4-6 weeks behind us, starting this coming Monday. With the current instructor number (4 including the CFI, so basically 3) and the projected progress of certification, there will be 7 instructors ready, to share between 74 cadets, come September, which is simply not feasible. These numbers currently allow for an absolute maximum of barely 2 flights each, per week. We fear that with no adjusted contingency training plan, we will be out in Malaga for the best part of a year, with the summer easyJet induction looking, more likely by the week, to be out of our grasp. Pretty much every cadet out here is filled with complete uncertainty and a lot of frustration and I myself and quite a few cadets are now seriously considering leaving and picking up ATPL training elsewhere. I will update you as things progress, but as it currently stands I see the setup of the Malaga base as a complete and utter failure and the treatment of the cadets from CAEs side has been absolutely horrendous. I will of course update on any progression, but from cancelled meetings with no communication, to blatant lies about what to expect, I have run out of words for how I can explain this situation.
Hi, I hate to bring you bad news, but I am on the first course who were sent out to Malaga mid-May this year. It is now August 10th and I have only just been scheduled my first two flights this coming week. We were told by both CAE and the easy liaison team that the first class would be prioritised, as it’s been so long since we finished groundschool (our last exam was 14th December 2023!). CAE have now turned around and told us that we will be sharing instructors equally with the other three classes out here, and have no sort of enhanced training plan in place to get us back on course for our sim phase in Milan, which was scheduled to start w/c 11th November. We have a class who finished groundschool 2 months ago scheduled to be only 4-6 weeks behind us, starting this coming Monday. With the current instructor number (4 including the CFI, so basically 3) and the projected progress of certification, there will be 7 instructors ready, to share between 74 cadets, come September, which is simply not feasible. These numbers currently allow for an absolute maximum of barely 2 flights each, per week. We fear that with no adjusted contingency training plan, we will be out in Malaga for the best part of a year, with the summer easyJet induction looking, more likely by the week, to be out of our grasp. Pretty much every cadet out here is filled with complete uncertainty and a lot of frustration and I myself and quite a few cadets are now seriously considering leaving and picking up ATPL training elsewhere. I will update you as things progress, but as it currently stands I see the setup of the Malaga base as a complete and utter failure and the treatment of the cadets from CAEs side has been absolutely horrendous. I will of course update on any progression, but from cancelled meetings with no communication, to blatant lies about what to expect, I have run out of words for how I can explain this situation.
Hi! Do you have an update on this situation (or in general "the situation") regarding the Easyjet MPL cadets? I see a lot of social media activity of students in Phoenix. Do students currently go there? Or are there different training locations? Keen to hear!
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From: Spain
Hello Everyone,
I hope this message finds you guys well.
I have been trying to get into the EasyJet MPL Pilot course with CAE, and in the last few days, I received approval for the stage 2 assessment, meaning that I can move to stage 3. However, I have learned that for candidates excluding those from the UK, there are 130 people waiting for space in the stage 3 assessment.
Does anyone know anything about this and if I will be able to get into any of the course dates presented for August, September, and December in Madrid and Brussels? I am very concerned about the uncertainty given at the moment and would appreciate any information or insights.
Thanks for the help.
I hope this message finds you guys well.
I have been trying to get into the EasyJet MPL Pilot course with CAE, and in the last few days, I received approval for the stage 2 assessment, meaning that I can move to stage 3. However, I have learned that for candidates excluding those from the UK, there are 130 people waiting for space in the stage 3 assessment.
Does anyone know anything about this and if I will be able to get into any of the course dates presented for August, September, and December in Madrid and Brussels? I am very concerned about the uncertainty given at the moment and would appreciate any information or insights.
Thanks for the help.
I have also passed phase 2 and I am waiting for dates to be opened to carry out phase 3 and be able to start in 2025.
Greetings
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From: Europe
Hello,
Currently an EZY MPL, if that can help things are going the right way lately I think they've sorted a lot of issues internally, and the intakes proms are now back to a regular schedule.
It has been a long wait for all of us also before joining the program, so I can rely with your frustration but hang in there!
Currently an EZY MPL, if that can help things are going the right way lately I think they've sorted a lot of issues internally, and the intakes proms are now back to a regular schedule.
It has been a long wait for all of us also before joining the program, so I can rely with your frustration but hang in there!
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From: London
Hello,
Currently an EZY MPL, if that can help things are going the right way lately I think they've sorted a lot of issues internally, and the intakes proms are now back to a regular schedule.
It has been a long wait for all of us also before joining the program, so I can rely with your frustration but hang in there!
Currently an EZY MPL, if that can help things are going the right way lately I think they've sorted a lot of issues internally, and the intakes proms are now back to a regular schedule.
It has been a long wait for all of us also before joining the program, so I can rely with your frustration but hang in there!
As a current cadet I can tell you things post ground school are DIRE. You have 80 cadets in Malaga who have been there for upwards of 5 months and haven't even solo'd yet, spending thousands of euros on accommodation. The CAA have just GROUNDED their entire fleet due to safety concerns and they have NO instrument rated instructors meaning if they do somehow make it to solo they have no means of completing their training. For those not aware solo is the first stage of 3 stages of training... So they are not even close to finishing!
Phoenix is massively overloaded with a HUGE instructor shortage. Cadets are getting averages of 1 mission a week and were told they were 'lucky' to be seeing that. The advertised '18 month course' is taken in excess of 2.5 years.
When Malaga eventually closes due to its unfeasibility where do you think those 80 cadets will go? And what do you think will happen to the cadets currently in ground school? ... Sounds like another hold pool to me! Don't forget us and our colleagues in the UK all took massive delays before going to Phoenix to allow them to 'fix the issues' only to arrive and it be in a worse position than before the hold pool.
Help yourselves... don't listen to this guy/girl!!
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From: Pluto
Hello,
Currently an EZY MPL, if that can help things are going the right way lately I think they've sorted a lot of issues internally, and the intakes proms are now back to a regular schedule.
It has been a long wait for all of us also before joining the program, so I can rely with your frustration but hang in there!
Currently an EZY MPL, if that can help things are going the right way lately I think they've sorted a lot of issues internally, and the intakes proms are now back to a regular schedule.
It has been a long wait for all of us also before joining the program, so I can rely with your frustration but hang in there!
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From: Italy
You're either at the very start of your ground school and buying the CAE Propaganda or a CAE Employee trying to claw back some credibility to the scheme...
As a current cadet I can tell you things post ground school are DIRE. You have 80 cadets in Malaga who have been there for upwards of 5 months and haven't even solo'd yet, spending thousands of euros on accommodation. The CAA have just GROUNDED their entire fleet due to safety concerns and they have NO instrument rated instructors meaning if they do somehow make it to solo they have no means of completing their training. For those not aware solo is the first stage of 3 stages of training... So they are not even close to finishing!
Phoenix is massively overloaded with a HUGE instructor shortage. Cadets are getting averages of 1 mission a week and were told they were 'lucky' to be seeing that. The advertised '18 month course' is taken in excess of 2.5 years.
When Malaga eventually closes due to its unfeasibility where do you think those 80 cadets will go? And what do you think will happen to the cadets currently in ground school? ... Sounds like another hold pool to me! Don't forget us and our colleagues in the UK all took massive delays before going to Phoenix to allow them to 'fix the issues' only to arrive and it be in a worse position than before the hold pool.
Help yourselves... don't listen to this guy/girl!!
As a current cadet I can tell you things post ground school are DIRE. You have 80 cadets in Malaga who have been there for upwards of 5 months and haven't even solo'd yet, spending thousands of euros on accommodation. The CAA have just GROUNDED their entire fleet due to safety concerns and they have NO instrument rated instructors meaning if they do somehow make it to solo they have no means of completing their training. For those not aware solo is the first stage of 3 stages of training... So they are not even close to finishing!
Phoenix is massively overloaded with a HUGE instructor shortage. Cadets are getting averages of 1 mission a week and were told they were 'lucky' to be seeing that. The advertised '18 month course' is taken in excess of 2.5 years.
When Malaga eventually closes due to its unfeasibility where do you think those 80 cadets will go? And what do you think will happen to the cadets currently in ground school? ... Sounds like another hold pool to me! Don't forget us and our colleagues in the UK all took massive delays before going to Phoenix to allow them to 'fix the issues' only to arrive and it be in a worse position than before the hold pool.
Help yourselves... don't listen to this guy/girl!!
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From: London
MPL’s are prioritised over ATPL’s so they are facing worse issues. Quite a few have left in the last 12 months to go to other training providers. Montpelier was closed with immediate effect due to safety findings and Oxford has also been closed so there’s a big question mark over where they’re going to be sent post Phoenix to do there ME/IR. You’d be made to join as a white tail rather than modular now all the airlines are hiring modular students
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From: London
Update:
As predicted Malaga students are now being sent to Phoenix (I believe the first cadets have already arrived here). No Idea what they are going to do with them as they do not have the capacity to teach the current students let alone an additional 80 (more than all the cadets here already!) ATPL's were advised they would have to fly home for a number of weeks and return to complete their training later.
As predicted Malaga students are now being sent to Phoenix (I believe the first cadets have already arrived here). No Idea what they are going to do with them as they do not have the capacity to teach the current students let alone an additional 80 (more than all the cadets here already!) ATPL's were advised they would have to fly home for a number of weeks and return to complete their training later.