Generation CAE MPL easyJet

[Warlock1]

Those students coming to Malaga are up for a bad surprise. Aerodynamics operates out of LEAX, non controlled, Spanish only communications type of aerodrome. 2 flight schools and one aero club operating there and its a chaos to do any kind of circuits with 7-8 planes operating at the same time! “Maximum 4 planes in the circuit” they say but no control mechanism. The owners of the fields attitude: if you don’t like it, go away!

[powerflight]

EasyJet are now hiring ATPLs directly from ATOs like Leading Edge. EasyJet was contractually bound to first hire from CAE MPLs, then CAE Integrated, then other ATOs. So, if EZY is hiring from other ATOs, it tells you how bad the training situation is at CAE. Even integrated ATPL is a clear step better than EZY MPL, as you can apply to any airline (including EZY if EZY is partnered with the ATO).

[Duca]

Originally Posted by powerflight

EasyJet are now hiring ATPLs directly from ATOs like Leading Edge. EasyJet was contractually bound to first hire from CAE MPLs, then CAE Integrated, then other ATOs. So, if EZY is hiring from other ATOs, it tells you how bad the training situation is at CAE. Even integrated ATPL is a clear step better than EZY MPL, as you can apply to any airline (including EZY if EZY is partnered with the ATO).

With the EZY MPL you will be offered line training and TR by ezy. And the fact that they are hiring doesn’t mean that cae’s situation is bad. It just means that they need to hire more than 200 pilots per year.

[powerflight]

And if they don’t offer you line training, have delays due to lack of LTCs, have slower growth than anticipated - you’ll be left with a worthless MPL, all for the sake of saving £15k vs integrated + type rating or spending an additional £25k vs modular.

[Duca]

Originally Posted by powerflight

And if they don’t offer you line training, have delays due to lack of LTCs, have slower growth than anticipated - you’ll be left with a worthless MPL, all for the sake of saving £15k vs integrated + type rating or spending an additional £25k vs modular.

If they have slower growth in case of hiring they would be hiring MPLs first. And there’s a big turnover of FOs at ezy so it won’t be a problem.
Besides that the integrated costs €15k more

[Fraseradams1]

Hi guys , any of you done the stage 2 easyJet assessment? Do you know if you’re allowed a calculator for any of the tests, including maths and physics?

[Duca]

Originally Posted by Fraseradams1

Hi guys , any of you done the stage 2 easyJet assessment? Do you know if you’re allowed a calculator for any of the tests, including maths and physics?

You’re not allowed.

[Jonnyratcliffe]

Originally Posted by wt02

Hi guys,

Just a little inside scoop on the EZY MPL. I’m at the end of phase 1, so this is still subject to change. For the core flight phase, CAE have now changed how they’re doing it. So the 2/3 courses ahead of me are now going to Spain for the core flight phase, which will massively reduce the hold pool waiting times in Phoenix. They are still sending my course, the 1 ahead, and the 1 behind to Phoenix, which they expect to have no or very minimal delay as a result of sending the few courses ahead to Spain.

The MPL itself, personally, is a great prospect and becoming a much more validated way into the right seat, just as the integrated ATPL did a few decades ago. The conditional offer is just that, conditional. You have to achieve the correct standard throughout the course, which is a completely understandable requirement, in my opinion. Someone mentioned on this forum (I can’t remember who), that the MPL is a huge risk if the airline goes under, which is completely correct, as shown by the Monarch and FlyBe MPL schemes. Being aware of the financials of the airline that you’re applying to is a vital bit of information to base your decision on (easyJet has very little risk of going under, but it’s never 0 risk, nothing ever is).

There is also a pilot liaison team who are in regular (minimum once a month) contact with each course, and are situated within the same building that we are doing the course in, and it’s heavily emphasised that you can go and chat to them whenever you like, especially if you’re having issues and want to directly talk to easyJet.

No course is zero risk, what happens if you finish the end of the integrated/modular course and you don’t get employed? It’s all about finding out the course that is the most right for you, and the appeal of the easyJet MPL seemed right for me.

If you would like any more information, my DMs are open. 😊

Hello mate, starting the process to
apply for the scheme but can’t DM you as I haven’t posted enough. Any chance you could try to
DM me if you don’t mind answering some questions.

thank you!

[Fraseradams1]

For any of you who have done the stage 2 assessment, how did you find it. Were the questions okay and what sort of prep did you do?

[smok3n]

Hi everyone,

I hope you're all doing well. I'm seeking some opinions on whether I should proceed with the MPL program at EasyJet or opt for a regular fATPL at a Portuguese flight school.
Is there anyone here who knows if the current classes are experiencing significant delays or issues with anything?

Thank you!

[Duca]

Originally Posted by smok3n

Hi everyone,

I hope you're all doing well. I'm seeking some opinions on whether I should proceed with the MPL program at EasyJet or opt for a regular fATPL at a Portuguese flight school.
Is there anyone here who knows if the current classes are experiencing significant delays or issues with anything?

Thank you!

So far everything is on time. Apparently they even solved the delays in Phoenix and they are applying to get MALAGA EASA Approved for flight training.

[EasyFlyerr]

Originally Posted by Duca

So far everything is on time. Apparently they even solved the delays in Phoenix and they are applying to get MALAGA EASA Approved for flight training.

No delays? You must be joking 🤣 as someone who is in Phoenix now I’m sorry to inform you that you have once again shown your gullibility and swallowed the CAE lies. The situation in Phoenix is worse than when cadets were returned to the U.K. to give them a chance to ‘fix’ the problems. More and more cadets are being sent from Brussels and Madrid with no instructors to teach them. We have sat in our US accommodation for months without a single flight or any update from CAE when we can expect to start training. As for Madrid the first batch of cadets were delayed and we will have to wait and see to determine if it has been successful or not.

Some of the U.K. cadets here in Phoenix were meant to induct with easyJet this month and they still haven’t even finished their core phase flight training, let alone the sims!

I see from previous posts someone has already warned you about spreading misinformation. What are your exact motivations for encouraging people so enthusiastically to part with their hard earned cash? CAE employee or naive 18 year old bank rolled by mum and dad?

Why is it always people like you that talk the most 🤦

[wt02]

Originally Posted by Jonnyratcliffe

Hello mate, starting the process to
apply for the scheme but can’t DM you as I haven’t posted enough. Any chance you could try to
DM me if you don’t mind answering some questions.

thank you!

Hi Johnny,

sent you a private message.

[Boom Operator]

To give the people who are considering CAE as an option, I will give you one piece of advise, DON'T.

While I have to give them credit for the theory (which was relatively decent), the current CPL part of the course is an absolute nightmare for my class. The MPL part of my class (after a 3 month delay) is finally flying to Phoenix. However, the ATPL part (since we're a mixed class) is going to Montpellier. What I heard is absolutely crazy! Some of them, packed up, drove around 16 hours to Montpellier just to hear on the day of arrival that there's no training capacity there at the moment and that they have to go back home without any reimbursements for their hotel or gas . They had been sending emails that whole week and NO ONE from CAE even bothered to reply to them or tell them what's going on until they were already there...

In Phoenix you have the same issue. My MPL part doesn't get to fly because CAE does not have the instructors to provide flight sessions so we're expecting to be in Phoenix for around 9 months (while we should be there for only 6). So that means we're getting an additional 3 month delay on top of the 3 we already had.

For the ATPL's that finished I heard that their MEIR phase in Montpellier apparently was also delayed by 4 months (making it a total of 6 months) because there were no instructors and the whole flight school that they subcontracted had to temporarily shut down operations and change management until they were able to begin with training again. We had some people coming to train for their last phase (APS MCC) and they reported to have been following the course for 34 months up until that point which is insaneeee.

So unless you're prepared to pay around €116,000 (excluding rent, gas, food, etc.) and do your ATPL for approximately 30 months, then I heavily recommend you to look for another flight school or MPL program!

[powerflight]

The above take seems like the only correct one.

Why would you shell out integrated-level prices for a license that ties you to one airline for two years that doesn't have to hire you, and ties you to an ATO, when you can, if you insist, do an Integrated ATPL for a similar price, apply for any airline, and apply for easyJet?

[Alex Whittingham]

Boom Operator Which Montpellier flight school closed down?

[Boom Operator]

Originally Posted by powerflight

The above take seems like the only correct one.

Why would you shell out integrated-level prices for a license that ties you to one airline for two years that doesn't have to hire you, and ties you to an ATO, when you can, if you insist, do an Integrated ATPL for a similar price, apply for any airline, and apply for easyJet?

It depends, because doing an MPL for a reduced price is actually quite an appealing idea considering an ATPL would usually cost you around 30k-40k more. However, currently EasyJet is offering the MPL for €100k and then gives you a salary that is worth almost nothing. So I agree that doing an MPL that bounds you to an employer that overworks you for close to minimum wage is not a bright idea to do as a cadet.

But then again, other companies offer MPL's for much lower prices with higher initial salaries in which case it would be more beneficial to start there as you are "guaranteed" a job if you can pass the training nominally.

[bombaydude]

[ EasyJet is offering the MPL for €100k and then gives you a salary that is worth almost nothing./QUOTE]

Thanks for your valuable input... you're very well up to speed on the pro's and con's...
So how much is the almost minimum wage that easyJet pay to cadets after completing the MPL course?
Many thanks 👍

[Fraseradams1]

Originally Posted by bombaydude

[ EasyJet is offering the MPL for €100k and then gives you a salary that is worth almost nothing./QUOTE]

Thanks for your valuable input... you're very well up to speed on the pro's and con's...
So how much is the almost minimum wage that easyJet pay to cadets after completing the MPL course?
Many thanks 👍

I emailed the recruitment team. The starting wage for an easyJet second officer is £49,000 annually.

[Fraseradams1]

How long after stage 2 assessments did you hear back?