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It’s all written in the Section 4 ANNEX A of the TSA. It states that the student will get a refund if they’re lacking aptitude. You won’t get a refund if you exceed certain conditions (stated in the contract) or if the student is lacking efforts.
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You won't like this Duca I was an instructor at one of the first ATOs to introduce so called training protection/guarantees back in 2000. It's like most insurance policies full of get-out clauses to avoid paying out. Who gets to decide aptitude or effort a very fine line & you won't be making the decision. In all my time (over 20 years) at a couple of the major ATOs I can count on one hand the number of refunds given. It looks good on paper but different in reality as any student who appears to be a potential problem normally gets warned that their 'protection' will be revoked if they fail to reach certain standards, this was much more common than refunds.
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You won't like this Duca I was an instructor at one of the first ATOs to introduce so called training protection/guarantees back in 2000. It's like most insurance policies full of get-out clauses to avoid paying out. Who gets to decide aptitude or effort a very fine line & you won't be making the decision. In all my time (over 20 years) at a couple of the major ATOs I can count on one hand the number of refunds given. It looks good on paper but different in reality as any student who appears to be a potential problem normally gets warned that their 'protection' will be revoked if they fail to reach certain standards, this was much more common than refunds.
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I don’t know how it could happen.
Referring to your previous posts you need to make your mind up as to who to trust, somebody selling you an expensive dream or several pilots/instructors with years of real-world experience offering free advice.
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On a course of say 18 there used to be at least 1 or 2 students I often wondered how they ever passed 'selection', usually they failed several progress tests/exams before being re-coursed it is here that the 'protection' would be cancelled and they proceeded at their own financial risk.
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In your experience what do you think are major indicators of a student who won’t make it?
2. Always behind the course/class speed.
3. Didn't take very good notes (girls are always best at note taking) or were generally badly organised.
4. Even after several times explaining a topic in different ways (even with another instructor) still didn't get it.
5. Poor at maths, shouldn't need a calculator to work out 10% of 200. That's what the aptitude tests are supposed to sort out.
6. When several instructors covering the different subjects all noticed the same thing was real cause for concern.
7. Had the rabbit caught in the car headlight look.
8. Failed to put in the 110% effort & commitment required (including evening work).
9. Occasionally they failed to connect socially with other course students. Your course mates will often help each other out & also a key skill for later.
10. Didn't ask for extra assistance soon enough or failed to listen to advice.
11. Difficulty in being away from home for the first time.
12. Very occasionally a bad attitude.
I appreciate it can be a shock to the system and the first week might be difficult but if the above can't be sorted within a couple of weeks & certainly by the usual week 4 progress (of lack of) tests were red flags.
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1. They were obvious in the first week of ground school.
2. Always behind the course/class speed.
3. Didn't take very good notes (girls are always best at note taking) or were generally badly organised.
4. Even after several times explaining a topic in different ways (even with another instructor) still didn't get it.
5. Poor at maths, shouldn't need a calculator to work out 10% of 200. That's what the aptitude tests are supposed to sort out.
6. When several instructors covering the different subjects all noticed the same thing was real cause for concern.
7. Had the rabbit caught in the car headlight look.
8. Failed to put in the 110% effort & commitment required (including evening work).
9. Occasionally they failed to connect socially with other course students. Your course mates will often help each other out & also a key skill for later.
10. Didn't ask for extra assistance soon enough or failed to listen to advice.
11. Difficulty in being away from home for the first time.
12. Very occasionally a bad attitude.
I appreciate it can be a shock to the system and the first week might be difficult but if the above can't be sorted within a couple of weeks & certainly by the usual week 4 progress (of lack of) tests were red flags.
2. Always behind the course/class speed.
3. Didn't take very good notes (girls are always best at note taking) or were generally badly organised.
4. Even after several times explaining a topic in different ways (even with another instructor) still didn't get it.
5. Poor at maths, shouldn't need a calculator to work out 10% of 200. That's what the aptitude tests are supposed to sort out.
6. When several instructors covering the different subjects all noticed the same thing was real cause for concern.
7. Had the rabbit caught in the car headlight look.
8. Failed to put in the 110% effort & commitment required (including evening work).
9. Occasionally they failed to connect socially with other course students. Your course mates will often help each other out & also a key skill for later.
10. Didn't ask for extra assistance soon enough or failed to listen to advice.
11. Difficulty in being away from home for the first time.
12. Very occasionally a bad attitude.
I appreciate it can be a shock to the system and the first week might be difficult but if the above can't be sorted within a couple of weeks & certainly by the usual week 4 progress (of lack of) tests were red flags.
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Not necessarily but it's usually the first part of the course and there is supposed to be (I am not convinced) a correlation between ground & flying pass/failure rates.
The flying is going to test other aspects such as co-ordination in handling & instrument flying skills & later on CRM. There are some who sail through ground school but just can't fly the aircraft to the required standards in the time allocated, this now starts to become expensive. Some even eventually realise they just don't like flying & it's not for them, one reason you should have at least one trial lesson before committing to an integrated course.
The flying is going to test other aspects such as co-ordination in handling & instrument flying skills & later on CRM. There are some who sail through ground school but just can't fly the aircraft to the required standards in the time allocated, this now starts to become expensive. Some even eventually realise they just don't like flying & it's not for them, one reason you should have at least one trial lesson before committing to an integrated course.
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we had a meeting last week with EZY and CAE. To sum up they said lots of things without saying anything, still theres 3 to 4 months delay and no compensation. We got the news of 4 months delay in september and 4 months later it is still 4 months delay. Feels so sluggish from their side imagine you have 4 months to solve something or come up with a solution or atleast minimise the delay and all you can come up with "we are doing our best". Doubt that
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Hi guys,
Just a little inside scoop on the EZY MPL. I’m at the end of phase 1, so this is still subject to change. For the core flight phase, CAE have now changed how they’re doing it. So the 2/3 courses ahead of me are now going to Spain for the core flight phase, which will massively reduce the hold pool waiting times in Phoenix. They are still sending my course, the 1 ahead, and the 1 behind to Phoenix, which they expect to have no or very minimal delay as a result of sending the few courses ahead to Spain.
The MPL itself, personally, is a great prospect and becoming a much more validated way into the right seat, just as the integrated ATPL did a few decades ago. The conditional offer is just that, conditional. You have to achieve the correct standard throughout the course, which is a completely understandable requirement, in my opinion. Someone mentioned on this forum (I can’t remember who), that the MPL is a huge risk if the airline goes under, which is completely correct, as shown by the Monarch and FlyBe MPL schemes. Being aware of the financials of the airline that you’re applying to is a vital bit of information to base your decision on (easyJet has very little risk of going under, but it’s never 0 risk, nothing ever is).
There is also a pilot liaison team who are in regular (minimum once a month) contact with each course, and are situated within the same building that we are doing the course in, and it’s heavily emphasised that you can go and chat to them whenever you like, especially if you’re having issues and want to directly talk to easyJet.
No course is zero risk, what happens if you finish the end of the integrated/modular course and you don’t get employed? It’s all about finding out the course that is the most right for you, and the appeal of the easyJet MPL seemed right for me.
If you would like any more information, my DMs are open. 😊
Just a little inside scoop on the EZY MPL. I’m at the end of phase 1, so this is still subject to change. For the core flight phase, CAE have now changed how they’re doing it. So the 2/3 courses ahead of me are now going to Spain for the core flight phase, which will massively reduce the hold pool waiting times in Phoenix. They are still sending my course, the 1 ahead, and the 1 behind to Phoenix, which they expect to have no or very minimal delay as a result of sending the few courses ahead to Spain.
The MPL itself, personally, is a great prospect and becoming a much more validated way into the right seat, just as the integrated ATPL did a few decades ago. The conditional offer is just that, conditional. You have to achieve the correct standard throughout the course, which is a completely understandable requirement, in my opinion. Someone mentioned on this forum (I can’t remember who), that the MPL is a huge risk if the airline goes under, which is completely correct, as shown by the Monarch and FlyBe MPL schemes. Being aware of the financials of the airline that you’re applying to is a vital bit of information to base your decision on (easyJet has very little risk of going under, but it’s never 0 risk, nothing ever is).
There is also a pilot liaison team who are in regular (minimum once a month) contact with each course, and are situated within the same building that we are doing the course in, and it’s heavily emphasised that you can go and chat to them whenever you like, especially if you’re having issues and want to directly talk to easyJet.
No course is zero risk, what happens if you finish the end of the integrated/modular course and you don’t get employed? It’s all about finding out the course that is the most right for you, and the appeal of the easyJet MPL seemed right for me.
If you would like any more information, my DMs are open. 😊
