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Old 4th Sep 2023, 21:02
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Originally Posted by Schwayne
Hello all,

Was it mentioned about the pay?

I see the statement that a salary will become available after training.

My question is how are you going to be able to support payments of a mortgage and other bills if you are not being paid from the outset.

Training is going to take roughly 18 months, this is a long time to cover with a loan.

How are others going to support themselves during the training period?
I was wondering the exact same thing as you.

Also, the starting salary is £34k... what is the progression after this? - is the cost of the flight training paid back on a salary sacrifice scheme?
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Old 4th Sep 2023, 21:17
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Originally Posted by Nino24
unfortunately this is true, I was on the live call which they have stated anyone that has over certain amount of flying hours PPL / any who already has ATPL modules are deemed as over qualified.

they are looking for people with literally 0 flying experience under their belt, I don’t know why!
Thanks, Nino, Does anybody know the maximum hours that they will accept?
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Old 4th Sep 2023, 21:27
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Does anybody have a rough idea of application levels and then how many go through to each stage out of curiosity?

how many of you have applied more than once etc?

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Originally Posted by Breezy12
I was wondering the exact same thing as you.

Also, the starting salary is £34k... what is the progression after this? - is the cost of the flight training paid back on a salary sacrifice scheme?
As they’ve made public, there’s an allowance paid during training. The training is fully funded so there’s no repayment afterwards.

How would you cover normal bills during training? Pass, you’d hope that if you’ve been dreaming of this for a while you might have started saving anyway, so throw that at the problem. Interest free credit card for 24 months covers the bills. Beg, borrow, (maybe not) steal.

It’s absolutely achievable if you need it to be, phenomenal opportunity.
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Old 5th Sep 2023, 18:34
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Originally Posted by icedchailatte
Hey guys i have a theory that applications will open on monday since it’s the first monday of the month but who knows lol
my theory was obviously wrong haha

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Old 5th Sep 2023, 18:45
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Originally Posted by icedchailatte
my theory was obviously wrong haha but i think it’s a good thing as it gives us time to fully prepare !!!
What is actually the best way to prepare unless anybody has been through it before!
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Old 5th Sep 2023, 22:18
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Originally Posted by FuturePilot_123
agree re. your comment on sittings and timeline, but disagree with your statement on demographic.

With these opportunities comes an element of risk for BA - they need highly skilled competent people who can digest the sheer volume of theory in the ATPLs and pass all flight training exams.

Being a modular student and having some ATPLs under your belt, doesn’t necessarily mean you can and will get to the end goal of funding all the training.
So your assumption is inaccurate. I wouldn’t call a 30k loan a “plan”.
Having being involved in the recruitment process for cadet schemes this is correct. Most completely underestimate the ATPL syllabus and it is a huge amount of complex theory to understand. We wanted to see something on your application that proves you can handle that, whether it's great A levels, a solid STEM degree or even some ATPL passes which shows you are aware of what is involved.
The ATPL theory is the stage most drop out at in Integrated courses and that is a huge risk for sponsored schemes.
PPL and ATPL theory are the cheap parts of modular training and in order to be able to pay for overall life costs during a full time course then you'll need to be in a financially strong position anyway unless you are still younger and living with parents.
A 30k a loan wouldn't even cover PPL, hour building and ATPL exams at current UK prices.
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Old 6th Sep 2023, 08:54
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Does anyone have an idea when applications will open? I keep checking regularly, but it seems they aren't open yet.
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Old 6th Sep 2023, 17:09
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Some key updates from the Q&A Session today :
  • NEED TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO WORK & STUDY IN THE UK WITHOUT SPONSORSHIP
  • Working with 2 flight schools - yet to be announced
  • The application will open in the next couple of weeks - September
  • Flight school assessment - October
  • BA assessment - November
  • Offers made - November
  • Training starts - March,
  • Don't need a cover letter for the application - they said even if uploaded, they won't read it
  • Don't need to do Class 1 CAA, BA will sponsor it
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Old 6th Sep 2023, 21:10
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Originally Posted by fredddyfred
Some key updates from the Q&A Session today :
  • NEED TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO WORK & STUDY IN THE UK WITHOUT SPONSORSHIP
  • Working with 2 flight schools - yet to be announced
  • The application will open in the next couple of weeks - September
  • Flight school assessment - October
  • BA assessment - November
  • Offers made - November
  • Training starts - March,
  • Don't need a cover letter for the application - they said even if uploaded, they won't read it
  • Don't need to do Class 1 CAA, BA will sponsor it
also to add - anyone that holds any ATPL modules cannot apply. This is deemed as overqualified.
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Old 7th Sep 2023, 06:07
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Originally Posted by Nino24
also to add - anyone that holds any ATPL modules cannot apply. This is deemed as overqualified.
I saw it mentioned that too many hours of PPL flying could lead to a rejected application; does anyone know how many flight hours? Also, would completing PPL ground exams preclude you from the scheme?
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Old 7th Sep 2023, 06:41
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Originally Posted by CaptN
I saw it mentioned that too many hours of PPL flying could lead to a rejected application; does anyone know how many flight hours? Also, would completing PPL ground exams preclude you from the scheme?
this is not accurate. Anything up to and including a PPL is totally acceptable.

Too many people on here trying to muddy the water!
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Old 7th Sep 2023, 09:14
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Originally Posted by FuturePilot_123
this is not accurate. Anything up to and including a PPL is totally acceptable.

Too many people on here trying to muddy the water!
OK, thank you FuturePilot for clearing that up!
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Old 7th Sep 2023, 23:27
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Starting at £34,000

Hello,
Apologies if this has already been covered. Does anyone know how long the £34k salary is paid for before increasing. I believe with TUI this similar salary for cadets is for 4 years (guessing to recover training costs). Has anyone heard anything similar timeline wise with BA?
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really dissapointed about the decision for overseas applicants.
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Old 8th Sep 2023, 08:33
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really dissapointed about the decision for overseas applicants.

there’s no real option for them to be able to make it work, it’s UK law that would prevent it unfortunately.
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Old 8th Sep 2023, 09:24
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Originally Posted by PilotDoctor
really dissapointed about the decision for overseas applicants.
What decision was made? Where is this info being published please?
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Old 8th Sep 2023, 09:53
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Have BA stated if overseas/EU applicants are allowed to apply for the cadet scheme ?

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Old 8th Sep 2023, 09:58
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Originally Posted by fly744
Did BA stated overseas/EU applicants are not allowed to apply?
They didn't, but you have to sort out your own visa and it has to cover the duration of the training, so it can't be the 6 months visitor visa unfortunately.
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Right to work/study in the UK without sponsorship would probably suggest it isn't open to EU/overseas applicants unless you have dual citizenship or something. Happy to be corrected.

Let's be honest, they'll fill their ranks with locals without breaking a sweat and until they encounter issues with low application numbers and/or lack of retention then I can't see the net being cast wider. I've long accepted that I won't be eligible to apply for the cadet scheme(s) of other national carriers. Quite rightly so if they can employ a citizen who more than meets the standard without having to go through the additional complexities of sponsorship, etc. Not what some people want to hear, but just my 2p worth.
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