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Old 25th Sep 2023, 07:21
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Originally Posted by desertghost
The low academic requirements suggest to me that the course and career won't be particularly demanding.
Then Iím afraid you would be wrong.
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 07:43
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Then Iím afraid you would be wrong.
"You'll be significantly disappointed if you think academia gets you any significant advantage in a flying career. It is nearly all about aptitude and soft skills. Something that academia does not provide a guarantee for. ATPL Theory is all about volume of content rather than difficulty." Is this also wrong?
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Originally Posted by desertghost
"You'll be significantly disappointed if you think academia gets you any significant advantage in a flying career. It is nearly all about aptitude and soft skills. Something that academia does not provide a guarantee for. ATPL Theory is all about volume of content rather than difficulty." Is this also wrong?
No, but having A levels or a degree isnít a necessary test of someoneís ability to pass ATPL Theory. The depth of knowledge and difficulty is significant - but BA have clearly got their own way of testing someoneís ability to pass including the flight school assessment. And with good enough instruction at the schools you donít need to be a top performer to do well.
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 08:03
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Yes, I'm happy he made it through. Unfortunately, I didn't. I identify as Asian-others, straight man. He identifies as white-British, straight man. That's the information we provided.
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the pay isn't as attractive as compare to finance or tech sectors. But I guess it's good enough.
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 09:22
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the pay isn't as attractive as compare to finance or tech sectors. But I guess it's good enough.
Actually it is for an awful lot of people, plenty of aggressively mediocre individuals in tech and finance on £40/50K for eternity. Not everyone is £500K.

And doing 60 hours a week (and more) staring at a computer screen in an office cubicle in London, couldnít pay enough to do it. Seems absolutely soul destroying.
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 09:36
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Originally Posted by Aj2017
No, but having A levels or a degree isnít a necessary test of someoneís ability to pass ATPL Theory. The depth of knowledge and difficulty is significant - but BA have clearly got their own way of testing someoneís ability to pass including the flight school assessment. And with good enough instruction at the schools you donít need to be a top performer to do well.
Ok, good luck to all.

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Originally Posted by desertghost
The low academic requirements suggest to me that the course and career won't be particularly demanding.
Air traffic controllers only need GCSE, do you think that isnt demanding either? Academic requirements only prove knowledge, when you are going into a career of mostly skills and new knowledge previous knowledge is irrelevent. Thats not to say it couldnt help, nor could the skills obtained by the qualifications but it is not an indicator of how good you are at those skills.
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 10:21
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So did the first assessment for speedbird clicked submit page crashes so logged back in and says was completed but havenít received another assessment or rejection email so emailed the speedbird help email provided 8 days letter nothing emailed every single day and CC in recruitment nothing.

rang BA said they couldnít help and had to wait on recruitment to get back to me.

Very angry that 99% sure wonít get in not due to my fault but due to a technical problem.
A similar thing happened to me. I was wondering what the email was as I forgot to write it down? Thank you
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 10:41
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Not everyone has had the opportunity to do a degree. Perhaps they had to work to support their family after school, or had to care for others. Setting the _minimum_ entry requirements at this level is fine, and will broaden the pool of applicants encouraging people who might not otherwise have this opportunity - which is the primary objective of this scheme.

As you say, doing a degree demonstrates ability and focus, which are fantastic and I have no doubt they will take that into account during the process.

I certainly don't feel that my degree has been 'de-valued', but rather is another string to my bow.
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Originally Posted by desertghost
I agree with what you're saying about the skills required for the job but you're totally ignoring the fact all companies need ways of differentiating between people in what is a big and competitive world.

Having some decent qualifications from school shows that somebody had some intelligence, drive, focus and discipline, they've also had to perform in exams under pressure; everybody has been to school so everybody has the opportunity to demonstrate this. It's a useful marker which practically every other profession uses to set a standard and to restrict the number of people applying for jobs. I have friends with PHds who do jobs that I'm sure somebody with GCSEs could also do but that's not the point, they worked hard to get where they are and deserve their positions. Setting the bar so low (especially when it used to be much higher) indicates that the company doesn't take any of the above seriously and sends the message to people not to bother as you only need a handful of GCSEs to get in anyway. All pretty unaspirational stuff from a company which seems to hold itself in such high regard.
Not necessarily. Some people donít have that opportunity to go to Uni or do A levels through no fault of their own. This scheme is specifically designed to give people an opportunity who donít currently have that, be that financial or educational. The sooner people accepted that the better.
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Originally Posted by desertghost
You clearly see no value in secondary education, something to which everyone in Britain has access, regardless of money or motivation. By the way it's spelt 'doesn't' and 'don't'.
What about full time carers? People who have to leave to work and support others financially? People who failed GCSEs and A levels werenít an option at the time, but have subsequently gained their GCSEs? There is value in secondary education of course but not everyone has the same opportunities you had. My current job requires only GCSEs and I can tell you itís a lot more stressful and challenging than most other jobs going. I also work with people more intelligent than the majority of the population. So no, A Levels or a degree arenít a pre cursor to success.

And for what itís worth on the motivation for the job I had about 6 paragraphs to begin with and had to cut it down. So the people on here who didnít pass need to own it and improve for next time. I also had the same lagging on the maths test and finished with minutes to spare. If I havenít passed the interview I will learn from it, and take it away for the next time I apply to a scheme. The kind of individuals who canít own the fact they failed something and blame others donít deserves a career in flying and will very quickly be found out. Owning mistakes is essential in aviation to promote a safe flying culture.

Far too many sour people on here.
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 11:15
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I did an Aero Engineering Degree at a top UK university, and am mid way through my ATPLs. Although I am now studying for my ATPLs alongside a full time job - it is no walk in the park. Donít be fooled. There are maths heavy subjects, and knowledge heavy subjects - but you need to pass all!

So although it is not necessary as per the entry criteria to be a wizz kid, when you have to calculate a flight plan under time constraints, remember Gen Nav formulae under exam conditions, if you donít have a sound basic background in Maths - you will fail. I am surprised airlines like BA are willing to take that gamble, providing they have pride in all pilots to have ATPL results of greater than 85% overall.

Thatís not to say the ATPLs are impossible. You just canít go about them with the opinion that youíll wing it by learning the banks. After all, who wants to board an aircraft with someone in the nose who doesnít have a scooby.
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Originally Posted by FuturePilot_123
I did an Aero Engineering Degree at a top UK university, and am mid way through my ATPLs. Although I am now studying for my ATPLs alongside a full time job - it is no walk in the park. Donít be fooled. There are maths heavy subjects, and knowledge heavy subjects - but you need to pass all!

So although it is not necessary as per the entry criteria to be a wizz kid, when you have to calculate a flight plan under time constraints, remember Gen Nav formulae under exam conditions, if you donít have a strong background in Maths - you will fail. I am surprised airlines like BA are willing to take that gamble, providing they have pride in all pilots to have ATPL result of greater than 85% overall.

Thatís not to say the ATPLs are impossible. You just canít go about them with the opinion that youíll wing it by learning the banks. After all, who wants to board an aircraft with someone in the nose who doesnít have a scooby.
They arenít taking a gamble though, theyíre doing a fairly stringent selection process to make sure they find the right people. They will then have 6 months instruction to make sure they can pass the exams. I agree theyíre really difficult but thereís a huge difference between classroom based and distance learning ATPL theory. BA wonít allow someone in the flight deck unless they meet the standard itís that simple. The employment offers will all be conditional based on meeting criteria through training.
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 11:22
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Originally Posted by Aj2017
They arenít taking a gamble though, theyíre doing a fairly stringent selection process to make sure they find the right people. They will then have 6 months instruction to make sure they can pass the exams. I agree theyíre really difficult but thereís a huge difference between classroom based and distance learning ATPL theory. BA wonít allow someone in the flight deck unless they meet the standard itís that simple. The employment offers will all be conditional based on meeting criteria through training.
I am speaking from experience. Not saying it canít be done, but donít be fooled. Thatís my point.
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Got an email last night saying i've passed through to the video interview, Dont expect people to be telling questions or anything but is there any advice to give? are there re-dos if you mess up, time period?
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Does anyone know when the actual deadline is for applying?
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Im surprised to say Iíve made it to video interview. I didnít finish the maths questions so assumed Iíd be out.

Whoever it is posting here about diversity is a cynic who doesnít deserve to be in the process. I do not fit the mould of the type of person you think theyíre seeking. Iím a married white guy in my late 30ís - I think the process is fair and transparent. I put effort into my 250 words talking about loving flying since I was a kid but circumstances meant it was never financially achievable. I made sure my CV & the paragraph reflected both BA values and the types of experience and qualities theyíd want in an applicant.

Iíll either be successful or I wonít. If Iím not, itíll be because Iím not good enough compared to others, not because of a quota.
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Did anyone today receive any invite for digital interview.
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Did anyone today receive any invite for digital interview.
omg is there another digital interview after the video interview 😂
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