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Liquidation????
I was going to post this piece below from The Irish Times dated Wed 26th Sept,as it is a straight forward piece of factual reporting but I have since heard through the electronic jungle drums that they may have gone into liquidation..can anyone substantiate this?
I did hear that there was ground school going on recently (Not flying)and that 'Elvis' apparently had not left the building being safely ensconsed
in 'PTC' towers at the airport business park.
Here is the link to Wednesdays report
Extension granted to pilot school examiner - The Irish Times - Wed, Sep 26, 2012
Anyone any ideas?
I did hear that there was ground school going on recently (Not flying)and that 'Elvis' apparently had not left the building being safely ensconsed
in 'PTC' towers at the airport business park.
Here is the link to Wednesdays report
Extension granted to pilot school examiner - The Irish Times - Wed, Sep 26, 2012
Anyone any ideas?
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Looks to me as if they are trying to get all the students wiped off so they can start again without having to get all the approvals setup.
So it looks like if he gets away with it the students are in for a right raping.
So it looks like if he gets away with it the students are in for a right raping.
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"Hopelessly insolvent" according to the Indo. Now take it with a grain of salt as it really should be a red top as its a rag.
Pilot training college ‘hopelessly insolvent’ after proposed investor pulls out - Courts, National News - Independent.ie
Pilot training college ‘hopelessly insolvent’ after proposed investor pulls out - Courts, National News - Independent.ie
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PTC Replacement
Pilot Training College Bankrupt
Edgeworths New Company:
From CRO - Companies Registration Office Ireland
Details
Type Company
Number 518376
Name CLEARSKY PILOT TRAINING COLLEGE LIMITED
Address BOEING AVENUE, AIRPORT BUSINESS PARK
KILLOWEN
CO. WATERFORD
Registered 03/10/2012
Status Normal
Effective date: 03/10/2012
Next AR Date 03/04/2013
Edgeworths New Company:
From CRO - Companies Registration Office Ireland
Details
Type Company
Number 518376
Name CLEARSKY PILOT TRAINING COLLEGE LIMITED
Address BOEING AVENUE, AIRPORT BUSINESS PARK
KILLOWEN
CO. WATERFORD
Registered 03/10/2012
Status Normal
Effective date: 03/10/2012
Next AR Date 03/04/2013
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And on and on this farce continues... new company, same criminals running it out of the same building, and a nice clean slate with no debts and no recourse for students who were robbed... because that was a different company that did that, not us, we only just opened our doors...
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http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north...sWidget-bottom
100k sterling for a course in Jordan? Being run by a fake captain who never even achieved a basic MEIR?
Another scam and disaster waiting to happen unfortunately.
100k sterling for a course in Jordan? Being run by a fake captain who never even achieved a basic MEIR?
Another scam and disaster waiting to happen unfortunately.
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OK this crap has to stop.
Anyone stupid enough to pay money to this company CLEARSKY pilot training college does not deserve to hold a pilot licence.
Mark Robertson IS NOT, never has been and never will be a Captain. Neither will Edgeworthless whose Commercial pilot career is 400 hrs in the right seat of an HS125 and even that is questionable.
He was my student and is the only, yes the only student in 10 years of instructing that I had to give up on. He ha not even got an Multi Engine IR. He is personally responsible as is the Edgeworthless family for ripping off young impressionable students and their families.
My own logbook entry states F*****g useless, won't ever be a pilot as long as he has a hole in his a**e.
Everyone and every airline and operator in the world will be fully informed of the history behind these people.
Anyone stupid enough to pay money to this company CLEARSKY pilot training college does not deserve to hold a pilot licence.
Mark Robertson IS NOT, never has been and never will be a Captain. Neither will Edgeworthless whose Commercial pilot career is 400 hrs in the right seat of an HS125 and even that is questionable.
He was my student and is the only, yes the only student in 10 years of instructing that I had to give up on. He ha not even got an Multi Engine IR. He is personally responsible as is the Edgeworthless family for ripping off young impressionable students and their families.
My own logbook entry states F*****g useless, won't ever be a pilot as long as he has a hole in his a**e.
Everyone and every airline and operator in the world will be fully informed of the history behind these people.
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Clearsky Pilot Training
Public Information: 
From Whois.com - Domain Names & Identity for Everyone
Clearsky Pilot Training
Registrant:
Pilot Training College
Mike Edgeworth ([email protected])
Pilot Trianing College
Waterford Airport
Co. Waterford,0000
IE
Tel. +353.051876706
Creation Date: 27-Sep-2012
Expiration Date: 27-Sep-2013
Domain servers in listed order:
ns1.webhostingireland.ie
ns2.webhostingireland.ie
ns3.webhostingireland.ie
Administrative Contact:
Pilot Training College
Mike Edgeworth ([email protected])
Pilot Trianing College
Waterford Airport
Co. Waterford,0000
IE
Tel. +353.051876706
Technical Contact:
Pilot Training College
Mike Edgeworth ([email protected])
Pilot Trianing College
Waterford Airport
Co. Waterford,0000
IE
Tel. +353.051876706
Billing Contact:
Pilot Training College
Mike Edgeworth ([email protected])
Pilot Trianing College
Waterford Airport
Co. Waterford,0000
IE
Tel. +353.051876706
Status:ACTIVE
Mike Edgeworth
Diarmuid Maher
Pilot Training College
Fraud
From Whois.com - Domain Names & Identity for Everyone
Clearsky Pilot Training
Registrant:
Pilot Training College
Mike Edgeworth ([email protected])
Pilot Trianing College
Waterford Airport
Co. Waterford,0000
IE
Tel. +353.051876706
Creation Date: 27-Sep-2012
Expiration Date: 27-Sep-2013
Domain servers in listed order:
ns1.webhostingireland.ie
ns2.webhostingireland.ie
ns3.webhostingireland.ie
Administrative Contact:
Pilot Training College
Mike Edgeworth ([email protected])
Pilot Trianing College
Waterford Airport
Co. Waterford,0000
IE
Tel. +353.051876706
Technical Contact:
Pilot Training College
Mike Edgeworth ([email protected])
Pilot Trianing College
Waterford Airport
Co. Waterford,0000
IE
Tel. +353.051876706
Billing Contact:
Pilot Training College
Mike Edgeworth ([email protected])
Pilot Trianing College
Waterford Airport
Co. Waterford,0000
IE
Tel. +353.051876706
Status:ACTIVE
Mike Edgeworth
Diarmuid Maher
Pilot Training College
Fraud
Last edited by Matrix12; 29th October 2012 at 06:13.
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Clearsky pilot training college Ireland
The Senator asks about reports that a new company has been established at the same address as PTC. I understand that a company, Clearsky Pilot Training College Limited, has been registered at that address. The IAA has not received any application for approval from the company involved. However, following these reports, last Thursday, 4 October, the IAA inspected the premises of the company in question and found that the company is providing refresher training for an international non-EU client. That training does not meet the standard required for an Irish or EU pilot's licence. Should this new entity wish to provide training meeting stringent EU standards, like any other company it will have to apply to the IAA for approval.
While the Companies Acts do not come within my remit, I am advised that a registered company is a legal entity separate from its owners, shareholders and directors. The owners of a limited liability company are liable only for the amount of money that they have invested in the company and are not liable for the entire debts of the company. PTC was such a limited liability company. Distressing as it may be for all creditors of PTC, whether students or firms, under the Companies Act, if a person is the owner or director of a company that is put into liquidation, the directors and owners are legally entitled to establish or continue to be involved with another company and the debts of the first company do not transfer with the owners or directors to the new company. Creditors of the failed private entity should pursue the recovery of their debts with the liquidator if possible. As I have said already, neither the Government nor the IAA accept any liability for a private company's debts. Nevertheless, I acknowledge the Senator's comments that the students and their families have been wronged. They have been wronged by the company involved and not the Irish taxpayer.
While the Companies Acts do not come within my remit, I am advised that a registered company is a legal entity separate from its owners, shareholders and directors. The owners of a limited liability company are liable only for the amount of money that they have invested in the company and are not liable for the entire debts of the company. PTC was such a limited liability company. Distressing as it may be for all creditors of PTC, whether students or firms, under the Companies Act, if a person is the owner or director of a company that is put into liquidation, the directors and owners are legally entitled to establish or continue to be involved with another company and the debts of the first company do not transfer with the owners or directors to the new company. Creditors of the failed private entity should pursue the recovery of their debts with the liquidator if possible. As I have said already, neither the Government nor the IAA accept any liability for a private company's debts. Nevertheless, I acknowledge the Senator's comments that the students and their families have been wronged. They have been wronged by the company involved and not the Irish taxpayer.
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ATLANTIC FLIGHT TRAINING
Just for your information for Atlantic Flight Tarining is now run by....wait for it...Dana Davis. The old hairdresser sales guy that ran the PTC scam. He is stocking it with former PTC instructor wannabees and old mates. The good guys have left in disgust.
KEEP AWAY, he is running it into the ground for his own personal financial gain.
As for this Jordan operation with Edgeworthless, it is under investigation and we will let you know what we find and if Edgeworthless is involved every effort will be made to finish it.
It helps to have lots of former colleagues in the Middle East Aviation Business to whom reputation is everything. If they think Edgeworthless has lied or is stealing from them, which is likely and he will ruin their reputation he will be on the next plane out (minus his right hand
)
KEEP AWAY, he is running it into the ground for his own personal financial gain.
As for this Jordan operation with Edgeworthless, it is under investigation and we will let you know what we find and if Edgeworthless is involved every effort will be made to finish it.
It helps to have lots of former colleagues in the Middle East Aviation Business to whom reputation is everything. If they think Edgeworthless has lied or is stealing from them, which is likely and he will ruin their reputation he will be on the next plane out
(minus his right hand)
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further on Neil Dana Davies
Allegedly it is rumoured......Neil Dana Davies is
1. Vastly overpaid for what he does - £75k salary, car expenses and 0.5% upfront commission fees per new student recruited via national recruitment events.
2. Claiming at student pilot recruitment and assessment events run in hotels around the country that he is (or used to be) an airline pilot, but is currently not flying due to a medical problem.
3. At the same events, he regularly wears a pilot uniform, complete with epaulettes and gold bars on his sleeves. Quite apart from the stupid ‘look at me’ haircut, he can be instantly recognised by his patent black leather winkle-picker shoes and a name badge which clearly states his position as ‘Commander DAVIES’ (also worn when working at AFT). The guy’s flying experience amounts to approximately 17 hrs in a C152 for ***** sake!
4. He has been heard first-hand telling would-be students who attend these events that they are ‘guaranteed a job with an airline’ if they sign on the dotted line. I have heard this myself at PTC recruitment days.
I hear Edgeworth has been renewing his Ratings with a well known examiner from up-north. The very same one who has just started work for Atlantic.
The Edgeworth links are are slipping in guys....
As for the Jordan story, there appears to be a link between the chairman of AFT and the 'investors' for PTC
1. Vastly overpaid for what he does - £75k salary, car expenses and 0.5% upfront commission fees per new student recruited via national recruitment events.
2. Claiming at student pilot recruitment and assessment events run in hotels around the country that he is (or used to be) an airline pilot, but is currently not flying due to a medical problem.
3. At the same events, he regularly wears a pilot uniform, complete with epaulettes and gold bars on his sleeves. Quite apart from the stupid ‘look at me’ haircut, he can be instantly recognised by his patent black leather winkle-picker shoes and a name badge which clearly states his position as ‘Commander DAVIES’ (also worn when working at AFT). The guy’s flying experience amounts to approximately 17 hrs in a C152 for ***** sake!
4. He has been heard first-hand telling would-be students who attend these events that they are ‘guaranteed a job with an airline’ if they sign on the dotted line. I have heard this myself at PTC recruitment days.
I hear Edgeworth has been renewing his Ratings with a well known examiner from up-north. The very same one who has just started work for Atlantic.
The Edgeworth links are are slipping in guys....
As for the Jordan story, there appears to be a link between the chairman of AFT and the 'investors' for PTC
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From: Aqaba, Jordan
Dear Pilotbear;
I am the Chairman of AFT, and although I am not sure what your point is, I am happy to correct your information and answer any relevant question you may have. Needless to say, I will not endulge in gossip, hearsay or slander.
Yes, Dana is the COO of AFT and doing a great job. He has more gutts and dignity than many people I have worked with, and he has my full support. I don't know if he was a hairdresser or not, but being a hairdresser is not shameful, not is any job that brings food to your table in an honest manner.
Yes, Dana receives a salary, which I will not share with you for obvious reasons, but he does not get any comission.
I have never heard Dana claim to be a pilot, nor have I ever seen him in a pilot uniform. As a matter fo fact, he has a collection of black suites that I am trying to get him to trade-in. Nonethless, it is not the clothes that make the man.
Dana, and our entire team, are always careful to point out that "nobody" can guarantee anyone a job. In fact, I invite you to attend the next information session to hear his entire presentation first hand. I will even invite you to dinner as my guest.
There is no link between Mr. Edgeworth and AFT. AFT is owned entirely by my family, as is Ayla Aviation Academy in Jordan.
Yes, we took on some former PTC staff, including our Head of Training. We also have former Cabair personnel, as well as staff with experience in other FTO's. This is the nature of any business, and we are very proud of our staff.
Sincerely,
Marwan Atalla
I am the Chairman of AFT, and although I am not sure what your point is, I am happy to correct your information and answer any relevant question you may have. Needless to say, I will not endulge in gossip, hearsay or slander.
Yes, Dana is the COO of AFT and doing a great job. He has more gutts and dignity than many people I have worked with, and he has my full support. I don't know if he was a hairdresser or not, but being a hairdresser is not shameful, not is any job that brings food to your table in an honest manner.
Yes, Dana receives a salary, which I will not share with you for obvious reasons, but he does not get any comission.
I have never heard Dana claim to be a pilot, nor have I ever seen him in a pilot uniform. As a matter fo fact, he has a collection of black suites that I am trying to get him to trade-in. Nonethless, it is not the clothes that make the man.
Dana, and our entire team, are always careful to point out that "nobody" can guarantee anyone a job. In fact, I invite you to attend the next information session to hear his entire presentation first hand. I will even invite you to dinner as my guest.
There is no link between Mr. Edgeworth and AFT. AFT is owned entirely by my family, as is Ayla Aviation Academy in Jordan.
Yes, we took on some former PTC staff, including our Head of Training. We also have former Cabair personnel, as well as staff with experience in other FTO's. This is the nature of any business, and we are very proud of our staff.
Sincerely,
Marwan Atalla
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Then you are deluded my friend. Good luck with it all but as far as many, many people are concerned the PTC sales team are responsible for the fraud as equally as Edgeworthless. I have personally witnessed the claims that I and many other true professionals have stated many times. So If you wish to be less than honest then it is your affair.
What goes on when you are not around is for you to work out. As I said i have seen it many times personally.
If you wish to support these people it speaks volumes about you and your integrity. You have come into the industry with I hope good intentions and have taken on the dregs of the industry and for you I am sad. There are many many very talented and honest people available in our industry yet you sink to the depths. Well good luck
A little education would go a long way......
As for rumours...... that is what this site is all about. Get used to it.
What goes on when you are not around is for you to work out. As I said i have seen it many times personally.
If you wish to support these people it speaks volumes about you and your integrity. You have come into the industry with I hope good intentions and have taken on the dregs of the industry and for you I am sad. There are many many very talented and honest people available in our industry yet you sink to the depths. Well good luck
A little education would go a long way......
As for rumours...... that is what this site is all about. Get used to it.
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From: Ireland
Haven't completely read the thread but I went to see the PTC 2 years back and was about to apply for the assessment but due to family life I never got the chance.
Relieved that I didn't after hearing this
Pay by flight is my only way now.....These colleges look great on paper but personally I think a rating by rating in your own time is far better.
Im sure there are some great colleges out there but in todays climate handing over that amount of cash is not safe
Hope all Student Pilots involved get sorted
Relieved that I didn't after hearing this
Pay by flight is my only way now.....These colleges look great on paper but personally I think a rating by rating in your own time is far better.
Im sure there are some great colleges out there but in todays climate handing over that amount of cash is not safe
Hope all Student Pilots involved get sorted
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HOW???? WHY????
How does a company who failed to meet its financial obligations to creditors, to customers and to all the students and families have the ability to reopen under a new name with the same players on board??????
Why is this allowed? How???
Just take money, take money and take money....get liquidated and reopen again under a new business?
What happened to honor in aviation? What happened to a handshake is all you need for a honest business transaction to be fulfilled?
What happened to personal responsibility when operating an aviation business?
What happened to caring about your clients and students?
How does one sleep at night knowing families have lost thousands and dreams dashed away because of pure greed?
Anyone have an answer?
Why is this allowed? How???
Just take money, take money and take money....get liquidated and reopen again under a new business?
What happened to honor in aviation? What happened to a handshake is all you need for a honest business transaction to be fulfilled?
What happened to personal responsibility when operating an aviation business?
What happened to caring about your clients and students?
How does one sleep at night knowing families have lost thousands and dreams dashed away because of pure greed?
Anyone have an answer?
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because they can mate.
I can tell you that they won't be loosing sleep.
They will have multiple reasons why it didn't work none of which will be the bosses fault (you get used to this in aviation)
They might even blame pprune for not getting more pillocks in and not continuing the pyramid of finace which most training providers seem to use.
Nobody gives a stuff about the punters or students.
And the grab the cash and reopen not a problem, all legal.
I can tell you that they won't be loosing sleep.
They will have multiple reasons why it didn't work none of which will be the bosses fault (you get used to this in aviation)
They might even blame pprune for not getting more pillocks in and not continuing the pyramid of finace which most training providers seem to use.
Nobody gives a stuff about the punters or students.
And the grab the cash and reopen not a problem, all legal.