Pilot Training College - Florida Ops closure
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From: Wayne Manor
Marwan,
indeed it does. Boeing and Airbus object is to manufacture and sell aircraft, not operate them.. such 'studies' are not impartial and more of a vehicle for their own purposes, including that of bolstering shareholder perceptions of future stock value.
hence it is disingenuous for such partisan studies to be used out of context in the promotion of flight training services.
there are as many 'investors', maybe even more so, that have been screwed over on glossy presentations on the money to be made in aviation as there are 'wannabes' that have left high and dry.
And it sounds like you have been suckered in as well by it.
hence it is disingenuous for such partisan studies to be used out of context in the promotion of flight training services.
there are as many 'investors', maybe even more so, that have been screwed over on glossy presentations on the money to be made in aviation as there are 'wannabes' that have left high and dry.
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From: Aqaba, Jordan
I stand corrected. AFT's billing methods are similar to many, but not all, FTO's. There is no ponzi scheme, and we have been in business for many years, and plan to continue that way.
Your views on the Boeing and airbus studies are noted, although I respectfully disagree, and there is no point in arguing as this is a subjective matter.
If there are any serious questions, I am happy to take them.
Your views on the Boeing and airbus studies are noted, although I respectfully disagree, and there is no point in arguing as this is a subjective matter.
If there are any serious questions, I am happy to take them.
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Its not my view its the advertising standards authority have already found against a training provider for using them to say there is going to be a shortage of pilots.
Dreaming of becoming a pilot? - YouTube
And a bet you don't show them this either.
Dreaming of becoming a pilot? - YouTube
And a bet you don't show them this either.
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From: Aqaba, Jordan
Dear Mad-Jock;
I saw the video from BALPA and it is a very good one. The five key messages are:
It's hard to get a job anywhere these days. Does that mean colleges should tell students to STOP getting an education?
I really don't understand your issue. I am trying to be objective but you seem adamant on proving that we are doing things wrong. I invited you to attend one of our seminars. You are still welcome to.
I saw the video from BALPA and it is a very good one. The five key messages are:
- Think carefully – do your research.
- BALPA is not prepared to see this practice by airlines continue
- Authority – wake up
- Employers – join us
- Support BALPA
It's hard to get a job anywhere these days. Does that mean colleges should tell students to STOP getting an education?
I really don't understand your issue. I am trying to be objective but you seem adamant on proving that we are doing things wrong. I invited you to attend one of our seminars. You are still welcome to.
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From: Aqaba, Jordan
Dear G-RICH;
Thank you for your comments. Every company has it's own payment terms, and if other FTO's have an "end of the day" payment system, that is their prorogative. We have ours and it works, and has been for years. We are still in business, and we have not taken any money from anyone and not provided the training, and we never will. In fact, when Coventry Airport closed, we injected money into AFT for 6 months just to keep it going. We could have easily taken the route of closing AFT down, bt we didn't. We are in this business for the long term.
I will investigate your story, but we are definitely interested in UK students. In fact, we have 6 signed up, 2 of whom are already in training in Aqaba. I would be happy to provide you with their contact details, with their permission, for a reference.
I will be in Coventry next week, albeit not armed with a broom and a luger, and you are welcome to visit and provide us with any constructive critism to help us improve the Academy.
Thank you for your comments. Every company has it's own payment terms, and if other FTO's have an "end of the day" payment system, that is their prorogative. We have ours and it works, and has been for years. We are still in business, and we have not taken any money from anyone and not provided the training, and we never will. In fact, when Coventry Airport closed, we injected money into AFT for 6 months just to keep it going. We could have easily taken the route of closing AFT down, bt we didn't. We are in this business for the long term.
I will investigate your story, but we are definitely interested in UK students. In fact, we have 6 signed up, 2 of whom are already in training in Aqaba. I would be happy to provide you with their contact details, with their permission, for a reference.
I will be in Coventry next week, albeit not armed with a broom and a luger, and you are welcome to visit and provide us with any constructive critism to help us improve the Academy.
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no thanks if you are using the boeing reports I can already guess your style of sales pitch.
Why not get an advertising standards officer to go to one and see if your contravening truthfullness. Oh your sales team were the one's that fell foul of that when they worked at PTC.
Why not get an advertising standards officer to go to one and see if your contravening truthfullness. Oh your sales team were the one's that fell foul of that when they worked at PTC.
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From: Aqaba, Jordan
Dear G-RICH;
I am in Coventry November 8 and 9.
Trust me, no one at AFT holds back for fear of consequences. I have a group of people that I am very proud of, and who leave no doubt that they disagree with me when they do.
Nonetheless, I thank you for your constructive thoughts. I will dicuss them with the team while in Coventry.
I am in Coventry November 8 and 9.
Trust me, no one at AFT holds back for fear of consequences. I have a group of people that I am very proud of, and who leave no doubt that they disagree with me when they do.
Nonetheless, I thank you for your constructive thoughts. I will dicuss them with the team while in Coventry.
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From: Wayne Manor
Marwan,
I have to say, so far it's been encouraging that you have engaged with people directly and taken action on certain aspects.
Additionally, the sense of humour (broom and luger) was appreciated.
I have to say, so far it's been encouraging that you have engaged with people directly and taken action on certain aspects.
Additionally, the sense of humour (broom and luger) was appreciated.
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From: UK
Revelations!!
In the Oireachtas Last Thursday, when they discussed The Pilot college financing like a Ponzi scheme, it was said that the committee also heard criticism of the college's accountants and auditors and the investigation is to consider whether to report these firms to their regulatory bodies.
It can now be revealed that the accountant and CFO of Pilot Training College (Diarmuid Maher) is now a director of Clearsky Pilot Training College and is being guided by Mike Edgeworth of the Now liquidated Pilot Training College. "Clear Skies Ahead" Mike Edgeworth reveals back in January 2012 according to this article.(page14)
The financial auditor who gave PTC a clean bill of health was Cooney Carey.
The Irish People are asking questions about whats been going on here Mike Edgeworth, Diarmuid Maher, and Cooney Carey. Its time you gave us answers to these questions.
Prof Kieran Byrne ex WIT President also joined the PTC Ranks in 2011-2012.
www.clearskypilottraining.com
Domain Name: CLEARSKYPILOTTRAINING.COM
Registrant:
Mike Edgeworth ([email protected])
Pilot Trianing College
Waterford Airport
Co. Waterford
IE
It can now be revealed that the accountant and CFO of Pilot Training College (Diarmuid Maher) is now a director of Clearsky Pilot Training College and is being guided by Mike Edgeworth of the Now liquidated Pilot Training College. "Clear Skies Ahead" Mike Edgeworth reveals back in January 2012 according to this article.(page14)
The financial auditor who gave PTC a clean bill of health was Cooney Carey.
The Irish People are asking questions about whats been going on here Mike Edgeworth, Diarmuid Maher, and Cooney Carey. Its time you gave us answers to these questions.
Prof Kieran Byrne ex WIT President also joined the PTC Ranks in 2011-2012.
www.clearskypilottraining.com
Domain Name: CLEARSKYPILOTTRAINING.COM
Registrant:
Mike Edgeworth ([email protected])
Pilot Trianing College
Waterford Airport
Co. Waterford
IE
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From: Wayne Manor
Matrix12,
unfortunately Ireland is currently littered with the evidence in the form of great empty edifices to the 'Celtic tiger' [sic] and the financial boom [sic] otherwise known as 'cheap credit', where the whole economy was great bloody ponzi scheme, money was thrown about like nothing, vast excesses ignored because it was all 'on credit' with the expectation that there would be more tomorrow.
Smoke and mirrors.
The inception of clearsky from the ashes of PTC is just an attempt to perpetuate the excesses at other people's expense the very lifestyles that showed the 'financial boom' for what it was.. a 'credit boom'.
It's no great surprise that the same names skirt around looking to get their hands in other peoples pockets while shirking the very obligations that they sought.
it is indeed rotten, rotten to the core, but the whole issue is considerably deeper. It would be a change to see the Irish Government address itself, but that would require the potential to lose out on having their nose in the taxpayer/EU trough while shackling the people of Ireland to the gutter where they can observe their elected masters and their cohorts getting fat.
it really is an abject disgrace. and I for one applaud the likes of pilotbear's activities in attempting to bring this under the spotlight.
unfortunately Ireland is currently littered with the evidence in the form of great empty edifices to the 'Celtic tiger' [sic] and the financial boom [sic] otherwise known as 'cheap credit', where the whole economy was great bloody ponzi scheme, money was thrown about like nothing, vast excesses ignored because it was all 'on credit' with the expectation that there would be more tomorrow.
Smoke and mirrors.
The inception of clearsky from the ashes of PTC is just an attempt to perpetuate the excesses at other people's expense the very lifestyles that showed the 'financial boom' for what it was.. a 'credit boom'.
It's no great surprise that the same names skirt around looking to get their hands in other peoples pockets while shirking the very obligations that they sought.
it is indeed rotten, rotten to the core, but the whole issue is considerably deeper. It would be a change to see the Irish Government address itself, but that would require the potential to lose out on having their nose in the taxpayer/EU trough while shackling the people of Ireland to the gutter where they can observe their elected masters and their cohorts getting fat.
it really is an abject disgrace. and I for one applaud the likes of pilotbear's activities in attempting to bring this under the spotlight.
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From: UK
Watchdog probes pilot training college as complaint made
The Waterford Pilot Training College which left hundreds of trainee pilots stranded in Florida after taking up to €80,000 in tuition fees from them is being investigated by the Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement (ODCE).
A complaint concerning breaches of company law by Waterford Pilot Training College (PTC) was referred to the ODCE, according to the Department of Transport last night.
The ODCE is not allowed to reveal the identity of complainants and last night the Department of Transport said they did not have any further details about the referral.
More Here
A complaint concerning breaches of company law by Waterford Pilot Training College (PTC) was referred to the ODCE, according to the Department of Transport last night.
The ODCE is not allowed to reveal the identity of complainants and last night the Department of Transport said they did not have any further details about the referral.
More Here
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From: cork
Money continues to flow
I hear the spending hasn't stopped since clear sky became official. After a lovely tour of the middle east , supposedly a sales trip. Christmas has come early and the edgeworths have all gone on a holiday to Italy to celebrate. Allegedly.
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From: Space
Just found out that the reason the cop cars were there was because there was a drugs farm discovered next door to the college. More gangsters uncovered!
I am unable to upload the picture, it was emailed to me and I need a link to upload a pic on this.
I am unable to upload the picture, it was emailed to me and I need a link to upload a pic on this.
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yes, it is sad when an icon seems to turn out bad eh?
On a lighter note seems DD has an emergency meeting to rally the troops, well the ones stupid enough to listen anyway.
The net closes Neil......just resign and go back to conning little old ladies that they need a new bathroom, or girls on dating sites that your are an Airline pilot who lost his medical.
On a lighter note seems DD has an emergency meeting to rally the troops, well the ones stupid enough to listen anyway.
The net closes Neil......just resign and go back to conning little old ladies that they need a new bathroom, or girls on dating sites that your are an Airline pilot who lost his medical.
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From: Europe
Marwan
How can you say that no-one at AFT holds back for fear of the consequences? Almost all of the staff been forced out since Dana Davies took over as COO.
Doesn't that tell you that something is seriously wrong?
How can you say that no-one at AFT holds back for fear of the consequences? Almost all of the staff been forced out since Dana Davies took over as COO.
Doesn't that tell you that something is seriously wrong?
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From: Space
Word on the street, Clearsky PTC is in full swing.
They currently have 4 Libyan students, Mr. Edgeworth himself is walking around the place not even the slightest bit ashamed of what he done.
Clearsky Pilot Training College Limited - Irish Company Info
Whois clearskypilottraining.com
If I was one of the students who was robbed of money I would be heading straight for Waterford demanding one of the many houses he owns in the City.
They currently have 4 Libyan students, Mr. Edgeworth himself is walking around the place not even the slightest bit ashamed of what he done.
Clearsky Pilot Training College Limited - Irish Company Info
Whois clearskypilottraining.com
If I was one of the students who was robbed of money I would be heading straight for Waterford demanding one of the many houses he owns in the City.
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Time to check on the legitimacy of the visas I believe, I wonder who issued the training visas or are they on visitor visas?
They would have to be sponsored by the training organisation and I do not believe Clearsky has been up and running long enough for that so....
Someone needs to ask the irish immigration authority to check then.....or will you all just stand by and bitch about it?
Or just a call to the local Garda to check the students status, if they are not legal then Edgeworthless will be prosecuted under the prevention of Terrorism act and will be gone for good.
They would have to be sponsored by the training organisation and I do not believe Clearsky has been up and running long enough for that so....
Someone needs to ask the irish immigration authority to check then.....or will you all just stand by and bitch about it?
Or just a call to the local Garda to check the students status, if they are not legal then Edgeworthless will be prosecuted under the prevention of Terrorism act and will be gone for good.
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