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Old 29th Nov 2018, 16:48
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Originally Posted by youngretired View Post
Well, it is still entertaining to see ridiculous "oh btw they've added one more rubbish into their fleet bla bla bla" messages after @Dukaster's feedback.
It was a fact not a positive vibe towards BAA, just a coincidence with the timing. I'm upset about this school as much as everyone here.
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Old 29th Nov 2018, 17:26
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Originally Posted by Crowne View Post
BAA received a new ME P2006 today.
Ex 5B-CLR ferried from Cannes to Lleida.
Ah, well that solves it then ... what on earth is everyone complaining about, ungreatful students ...

Are about 70 students waiting for IFR training, they received 1 multi engine aircraft to add to the fleet of 0 - problem solved is it?

About p2002 vfr aircraft, school was too cheap to bring all 11 from Lithuania to Spain, only took 6 and said it's all they need (same like they only needed 2 p2006 multi some months ago which caused huge disaster). So are suffering students who arrived some weeks ago who still wait to start vfr. Management arrogance is incredible, like they are giving us training for free.

Anyone joining the academy after everyone hear told you the story will have no right to complain, you are all receiving the warnings about the truth of this school. Is huge mystery how Wizz has any connection to this place. Seeing Wizz here gave me confidence, i was thinking they are good if Wizz came here. Total deception after you join.
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Old 29th Nov 2018, 17:40
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tecnamflyer;

I mentioned nowhere that it was solving something. I just stated what I saw on eurocontrol today. I would be the happiest if it was solving something. We're all in the same basket !
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Old 29th Nov 2018, 20:37
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I agree with Dukaster. The "managers" (mainly training but also sales) provide very bad support. They will most certainly always reply with "I don't know". The funny thing is that they apparently have a "2h" policy by which they mean that they have to send you an email back within 2 hours. Not necessarily with a solution but at least so that you know they have received it. I can say that this 2h policy is 2 weeks in reality, if you are lucky.

The training managers focus more on posting pictures and videos from the office on facebook and instagram instead of trying to solve problems which students have. This is mainly because people with 0 or close to 0 experience in aviation and organization are assigned to such positions. Best example is when a girl from the front desk got promoted to a training manager (a training manager of a flight school).... Such things happen only in BAA..... I mean maybe she is a nice person, but totally not for such position considering the fact that she doesn't know to say hello when you enter the office and starts laughing in your face as soon as you ask more than 1 question.


Question for the Dukster:

Could you please explain more what do you mean by " Wizzair also changed the conditions of employment during the training of their cadetsÖ "?

Thanks
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Old 29th Nov 2018, 22:03
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Originally Posted by tecnamflyer View Post

Anyone joining the academy after everyone hear told you the story will have no right to complain, you are all receiving the warnings about the truth of this school.
Not every potential student is aware of this forum. Most people get suckered in because of BAAs Facebook marketing.
I would strongly suggest to voice your opinion under the recommendation/review section of their Facebook page. Even if it is under an ďassumedĒ name.
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 16:15
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Classic BAA. Doesn't surprise me at all! But as av8tor396 said, not every wannabe reads this forum. Very good suggestion mate!
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 10:58
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Whatís the point of moving all the aircraft to Spain when (a) operations are still continuing in LT and (b) there are not enough instructors to fly them. Yes the 2006 arrived and another is planned - but see (b) above!

You cannot build anything on shaky foundations and at the moment BAA management are working to resolve the issues. Question would be is have they identified all those issues yet?

I understand and the frustration felt by students awaiting training progress but BAA Lleida Operations are very new and will require some time to bed in and get things right. Tremendous potential with some good staff and instructors - give it and them time to realise that potential.
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 15:12
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@Duchess_Driver

I understand of your position however students are not the experimental object to make potential of staff to come out. Students pay money, quite big money therefore they have right to complain. Imagine you buy a bad product from a store what would you do next day? Bring that product and either refund it or get the better one. BAA sold the bad product to students and continue to do it. Finally frustration is not only about Spain but regarding to whole operation.

About (a) there is no operation in LT especially VFR during winter season and this is minimum of 4 months. (b) BAA must hire a instructor to fly them. They could spend couple of hundred thousand EUROS for marketing, millions on FFS however they cant spend any single cent on instructors which are keystone of the flight training.

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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 11:20
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Originally Posted by FloresM320 View Post
The training managers focus more on posting pictures and videos from the office on facebook and instagram instead of trying to solve problems which students have. This is mainly because people with 0 or close to 0 experience in aviation and organization are assigned to such positions. Best example is when a girl from the front desk got promoted to a training manager (a training manager of a flight school).... Such things happen only in BAA..... I mean maybe she is a nice person, but totally not for such position considering the fact that she doesn't know to say hello when you enter the office and starts laughing in your face as soon as you ask more than 1 question.
Those pretty chicks working at the administration are around 25 years-old, no experience, and as you said, spend much time to party in their office, take instagram stories, facebook posts. There is a pool at their floor, they can enjoy their working time, when you wait at home to fly...
The fastest way to contact is to chat with them on facebook. Sounds very professional...
There are many s*x stories between the administration girls and the students.
What kind of serious school does that?


Originally Posted by FloresM320 View Post
Question for the Dukster:
Could you please explain more what do you mean by " Wizzair also changed the conditions of employment during the training of their cadets… "?
Thanks
Wizzair increased the bond from 3 to 4 years.
If you leave before, you have to pay 35.000€ minus what has been taken from your salary.
If you stay 4 years, they transfer to you 10.000€.
You can easily guess that western guys will want to move out before the 4 years so the Type Rating would cost 35.000€.

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Old 4th Dec 2018, 14:30
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To all BAA Training current and future pilots,

Reacting to the current situation at our Ab Initio school, we apologize for inconveniences that we have caused you.

With the growing student number at our Ab Initio school, we have added 4 additional aircraft to our fleet and a flight base in Spain in order to extend our training capabilities. Nevertheless the number of force majeure situations that appeared during few past months left us with struggles to replan flight training schedule accordingly. We acknowledge facing longer delays of flight training than initially planned for approximately 14% of our current students.

Understanding the seriousness of the issue we have done a set of steps in order to change the situation and get back to the normal flight training schedule.

We are:
  • undergoing the selection processes for multi-engine and single-engine IRF and VFR instructors to join our team in December, January and February
  • closing a purchase process for an additional Cessna 172 to join our fleet as we speak
  • negotiating the purchase for one more Cessna 172 to be added in spring
  • ready to transfer Tecnam 2006: as soon as the weather will allow the aircraft will depart from Vilnius to Lleida
The whole BAA Training Ab Initio team is putting their utmost priority and daily efforts not only to make changes but also communicate openly with our students through this process.
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 19:35
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There are some things that I canít still believe and understand.

First: Maybe instead of apologize to us, try to think in advance. You had more than one year to calculate how many aircraft would be needed in order to provide every single student smoothe, fluent, efficient, effective and proper training. Was it so hard to calculate that 4 C172 would be too few for 40 and even more students simultaneously? Well, aparently everyone can see that this basic maths was too hard for you. Furthermore, the number of students is growing month by month. You need to offer something in return, not only sitting and checking the income.

Second: You wrote that you are hiring instructors for upcoming year (december, January, february). Do you know maybe where have previous instructors gone? If you donít, then Iíll enlighten your mind: they have just quit their job. If you donít know why they have done that, then let me explain you why: deteriorated working conditions. The salary has decreased. Instead of trying to keep them in company by increasing salaries a bit, you have just let them go. Now, because of your greed, we as the students are struggling with lack of instructors, which equals to lack of flying and sending home the students that were supposed to start flying in Spain. Another problem is that you donít even help your own employees in Spain finding any flat etc. So please tell me how is that possible in such ĄhonouredĒ company with so many positive opinions? Allegedly, you are the best flight academy right after Lufthansa. That ranking made by your parent company explains everything.

Among us, the students, there are some guys that were leading and are still leading their own business and trust me, if you donít have anyone that could organize that massive mess at the management department, then just ask some of us. We will find a solution, it is not hard, you just need to have good ability of logical thinking in advance. I canít find that feature among your management workers. You need to keep in mind that we are not only the cash provider. We are the customers, we expect that goods, that youíll sell us, will be good. And now you are selling us nothing more than empty promises. The only thing we can be sure is DELAY and the answer Ąwe donít knowíí. When it comes to pay next instalments, we receive email everyday, but when we expect some answer to our questions from you, you have a problem to give us logical reply.

Dear BAA, we are not stupid, we know that very bad things happen inside the school, we speak with instructors, other students and so on. So please stop blurring our eyes. I donít think that your are providing us efficient training. More than 4 months break at our initial stage of flying, I donít think itís good.

Ąbig enough to offer large capabilities, close enough for personal careĒ thatís the slogan at the bottom of every page of your notebooks, that you are giving to students. Well, donít you think that itís time to change that slogan? You are not big enough to offer large capabilities AT ALL.

I know that the IFR student pilots in Spain have still less that 20 hours each, even though there are just few of them. The rest is sitting at home and waiting till the first group will finish. BAA, why did they do barely 20 hours in more that 2 months? Can we expect any answer from you?

Students and instructors are complaining a lot about that school and donít recommend it to anyone. That means that the problem lies within the company.

So to sum up, instead of hiring hundreds of workers for useless stuff, maybe itís time to focus more on students, who provide you huge income and instructors, that will ensure you effective students rotation. Otherwise I canít see any reasonable solution. Youíll go down one day thanks to your own greed. So far I can honestly say, I wouldn't recommend anyone even to think about joining that school
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 20:42
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Well well well...
Look who's going out of the wood when some negative feedbacks pop up.

The marketing & communications department is really efficient, as I wrote in my post ))
Here you can't ban me, huh?!
Originally Posted by BAATraining View Post
To all BAA Training current and future pilots,
Reacting to the current situation at our Ab Initio school, we apologize for inconveniences that we have caused you.
The delays started in summer 2017, 16 months ago.

At that time, the VFR season was not finished for many of your students, some of them barely did 30 hours in 4 months.
More than half of the students didn't finish the VFR in 4 months.
As a total, the VFR part was done in 6 months...80 hours (13 hours per month !).
You are not a professional flying school, you are an amateur flying club.

So it's not about "the current situation", it's a very long term situation that you chose to ignore.
Today, you suffer the consequences
...or not. You'll get your salary anyway.

Originally Posted by BAATraining View Post
With the growing student number at our Ab Initio school, we have added 4 additional aircraft to our fleet and a flight base in Spain in order to extend our training capabilities. Nevertheless the number of force majeure situations that appeared during few past months left us with struggles to replan flight training schedule accordingly. We acknowledge facing longer delays of flight training than initially planned for approximately 14% of our current students.
I'm going to make a translation here for the readers who are not insiders or former students of BAA :
- "The growing number of students" started in winter 2016-2017, 2 years ago. It's not a new phenomenon. It's been 2 years !
In 2016, you took one class of 10ish people in October, 10ish people in december, in 2017 25 people in february, and so on...without increasing the fleet, and now you are surprisingly in a panic situation?
You must be kidding.

- "Force majeur situations" are about extreme weather, unexpected closure of the airport, etc... Not about a lack of airplanes because the school decided to save money on the fleet!
Even if there is a crash, you were so greedy that you didn't have any enough back-up planes, like all any schools have.

- 14% is a lie. Students of all stages are delayed.
The multi-engine students are waiting for 2 months so far, and they have to wait until january to finish their flight training, they are not even sure to make it before the end of the contract. Their training will finish 24 months after starting. In other schools, it takes 16 months.
The IFR students are sent home until minimum end of February (some of them finished VFR in...September!!)
The VFR students don't fly as planned. Of course, there's half of the VFR fleet available. Fog appears in Lleida, winter begins.

It's a huge mess. You should tell the truth to your students and the people out there.

Originally Posted by BAATraining View Post
We are:
  • undergoing the selection processes for multi-engine and single-engine IRF and VFR instructors to join our team in December, January and February
  • closing a purchase process for an additional Cessna 172 to join our fleet as we speak
  • negotiating the purchase for one more Cessna 172 to be added in spring
You didn't even plan how many instructors available you will have in the school for the upcoming months?
You can't make your work and study how many aircrafts you can fly, how many students you must train, how many instructors per students?
Basic calculations... you are not even able to do them. Remember your poor excel file you showed in spring, that was a total lie.

Same story as in 2017. You promised changes, you promised a bigger fleet, you promised a smooth training.
Nothing of those happened.

You shouldn't buy one more Cessna. You should double or triple your fleet !!!
How come CTC has 43 C172 and you have 6 poor flying C172 ???
FTE has 20 IFR Warriors. You have 6 IFR planes available.
Look how the students are stuck and desperate to fly !!

You really live on another planet.

Originally Posted by BAATraining View Post
  • ready to transfer Tecnam 2006: as soon as the weather will allow the aircraft will depart from Vilnius to Lleida
Then how do you explain that the next group starting the multi-engine is planned for the 7th of January?
The multi is just not ready. And you have no idea when it will be for practical flying in Spain.

I just checked, Air Bartolini has 3 P2006. You have 1 and maybe soon 2. And that school is way smaller than you.
CTC has 17 multi-engines ! You have 1 and maybe soon 2.
European Flight Training has 14 ! You have 1 and maybe soon 2.
Should I continue?

Originally Posted by BAATraining View Post
The whole BAA Training Ab Initio team is putting their utmost priority and daily efforts not only to make changes but also communicate openly with our students through this process.
The basic organisation is not even performed.

I should also add that the school (which includes the flights) closes 2 weeks for holidays.
Absolutely all the flying students are enduring a huge delay, BAA might not even be able to finish the students before the end of the student contracts.... but BAA closes 2 weeks for Christmas !
Go work in a regular company, you will get back to work the 2nd of January, and some people work during the christmas week.

Force majeure you said ? The delays are big? THEN GO WORK DURING HOLIDAYS !

Your team just plays pool and make social network pictures. All your system is about making Youtube videos by beginner students in a 737, roadshows, events for promotion of your school. The team seems to realise only now that the mess is huge.
Seriously?
You should fire all the cylinders now, make simple calculations about the number of airplanes/students/FI, make a plan, buy planes, hire enough FI and pay them properly, so as they don't escape like they all do.

Do.
Your.
Job.
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Old 5th Dec 2018, 08:39
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Actually the post by "BAATraining" is just a copy-paste of the mail the students received yesterday.

You can't even explain yourself on a students & pilots forum.

You are just amateurs.
An amateur school which has no idea how to run a flight school.
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Old 5th Dec 2018, 13:05
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Originally Posted by BAATraining View Post
To all BAA Training current and future pilots,

Reacting to the current situation at our Ab Initio school, we apologize for inconveniences that we have caused you.

With the growing student number at our Ab Initio school, we have added 4 additional aircraft to our fleet and a flight base in Spain in order to extend our training capabilities. Nevertheless the number of force majeure situations that appeared during few past months left us with struggles to replan flight training schedule accordingly. We acknowledge facing longer delays of flight training than initially planned for approximately 14% of our current students.

Understanding the seriousness of the issue we have done a set of steps in order to change the situation and get back to the normal flight training schedule.

We are:
  • undergoing the selection processes for multi-engine and single-engine IRF and VFR instructors to join our team in December, January and February
  • closing a purchase process for an additional Cessna 172 to join our fleet as we speak
  • negotiating the purchase for one more Cessna 172 to be added in spring
  • ready to transfer Tecnam 2006: as soon as the weather will allow the aircraft will depart from Vilnius to Lleida
The whole BAA Training Ab Initio team is putting their utmost priority and daily efforts not only to make changes but also communicate openly with our students through this process.

When we did our assessment in your academy in 2016/2017, you told us BAA was investing so much in new facilities to achieve its goal to become one of the best schools in the world. Our first encounter with this being a lie was in ground school when you didn't even have enough classrooms for everybody. You had to double utilise the class per day to fit 2 classes, one from 7am - 2pm and second slot students were 3pm to 10pm. This is proper learning environment for you is it? Even instructors complained to you about that. You are increasing student intake by 500% but not one person said ... "do we have enough classrooms?", ridiculous.

Then came the flying. VFR in Lithuania was total disaster. There were many days in which absolutely 0 aircraft were available to fly. Students in one flying bases were going to the airport anyway hoping somehow something would happen. Then one day an aircraft arrived and everyone jumped, it was like somebody took some food to the starving children of Africa (they wage a psychological warfare against the students to show they have 100% control of your life, they will play with you to the max and you will lose all self respect, you want to fly? ok well we will take 72000eu from you and you will not fly). There were days students did not even have 1 aircraft available to fly. Anyone want to join in this academy, ask yourself if you are happy to pay 72,000eu to put yourself in such situation.

Yes, we really saw your huge investment and planning you spoke so greatly about in assessment. What a LIE that was.

FNPTII - You have ONE. It is constantly broken and very old, it is of terrible quality. It stops in the middle of using it, ruining so many lessons. You put yourself in your rankings as 2nd best school in Europe but refused to even invest in one other FNPT!! Egnatia academy in Greece, a school who are only children in your eyes bought 6!!! Where does that leave your sorry academy?

The current waiting times for FNPT are 3-4 months. Yes people you read correctly, after finishing VFR you will sit for 3-4 months doing nothing while the ladies in the office mess you around sending you potential dates that are always false in the end. Bought tickets to return for the original date? Too bad. Then you will get a call on a random Monday that you start FNPT on Wednesday, can't make it? oh dear ... another month waiting for you. Again see what I said about the psychological warfare.

With the growing student number at our Ab Initio school, we have added 4 additional aircraft to our fleet and a flight base in Spain in order to extend our training capabilities
You say this and you actually believe that it is something good. 4 aircraft!?!? Are you joking? What is this. Anyway, 2 of these 4 aircraft are VFR p2002s (there are 5 p2002s sitting in Lithuania doing nothing, so these 2 new p2002s you speak of actually mean nothing right now). Regarding IFR, you only bought 2 C172s to add to the fleet of 2 (1 of which is permanently in maintenance with serious issues, if scheduled to fly this aircraft pray to God you survive the flight)

Understanding the seriousness of the issue we have done a set of steps
You understand nothing if from now 1 extra C172 is your solution to this issue. You got hundreds and hundreds of students and your "massive expansion plan" was 2 new C172 aircraft in autumn, now 1 more? You really are not serious. The clowns running the circus with no flying knowledge could have told you this plan was a joke.It doesn't enter the brain how anyone thought this would actually be enough.

Warning for anyone looking to join. For sure BAA is telling to you this is just small period of delays and they are working very fast to fix it. Do not be under a illusion that this is just a brief period of delays that will clear. IT IS NOT. Everything is getting worse. The delays are increasing. They have been since spring 2017.

Facts:

- 2017 Feb groups have experienced delays of around 4/5 months.
- 2017 June group has experienced delays of about 6/7 months (are people in that class who finished VFR in June 2018 now have been told their IFR will be January 2019).
- 2017 September group has delays again of 6 months minimum (likely to increase because the current progress of IFR students ahead of them in Spain is very slow).
- 2017 October group has delays of about 7/8 months (People in this class finished VFR in September and latest news is they will not go to Spain at all, but start IFR in March/April back in Lithuania)

Should be enough to see the pattern.They have taken many more classes this year and are already planning many more classes next year.

The backlog increases exponentially because the students are continually increasing and waiting list increasing, but the number of aircraft stays the same (which was nowhere near enough even for the original people flying IFR, but now actually this same number of aircraft is to be used for so many more students). Oh sorry, they are bringing 1 new aircraft and another 1 in spring next year

Now look at the mess with 4 C172s and also consider they only having 1 active multi engine right now with another (that literally spends more time in maintenance than flying) going sometime in 2019 to Spain. Hundreds of students queuing to fly 2 P2006s ... can't wait

So yes again, we see very clearly how you truly understand the mess you have put everyone in. Your brutality in how you made 35 people move to spain, spend 1 month, then sent 80% of them all home again without so much as having the descency to pay the 1 month rent they lost or flights home shows very clearly what kind of a company you are. You are 100% responsible for the situation the students found themselves in and should be 100% responsible for the costs they had because of you (see again about the psychological warfare).

They even lied to them about it being worth it because when they return they'll have 3 flights a week. Even the students who stayed were flying about once a week and now those students sent home are starting returning they also only fly about once a week, twice if lucky. The lies and broken promises do not end anywhere, sorry BAA but it is too much at this point.

Anyone wanna know what BAA offered for all that? 3 hrs in their dying 320 sim !! They are not from this world, they go by a different code of behaviour.

It's true about the ladys in the office, when you go into there it's like you going into the creche. So unprofessional and full of unqualified and inexperienced people. Everyone is chief or manager responsible for everything, until something happens and then no one is responsible for anything.

If things carrying on like they are now, this place will collapse one day under all of current pressure. Guaranteed. I just feel sorry for the students who will be in the school at the time.

If we were flying we would not have these problems and no one would have time to write here. This problem you made yourself.

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Old 5th Dec 2018, 13:58
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@tecnamflyer

I just come to a conclusion about these numbers below.

2017 Feb groups have experienced delays of around 4/5 months.
- 2017 June group has experienced delays of about 6/7 months (are people in that class who finished VFR in June 2018 now have been told their IFR will be January 2019).
- 2017 September group has delays again of 6 months minimum (likely to increase because the current progress of IFR students ahead of them in Spain is very slow).
- 2017 October group has delays of about 7/8 months (People in this class finished VFR in September and latest news is they will not go to Spain at all, but start IFR in March/April back in Lithuania)


Looking from financial side of the window;

Considering the delay of 6 months ATPL integrated can be completed in any other training organization in around 16-18 months. Most of the students choose BAA because hoping to receive OK-ish training at reasonable price and plus airline partners (where I want to mention one more time expect Wizzair, rest of the airline partners are just make no sense to choose BAA) . However, if one finished training 6 months earlier, during this 6 months roughly inexperienced pilot can earn around 3k net. In addition, life expenses in that wasted time lets say on average 800 Euros in Lithuania -if you live somewhere this could of course get higher-. Therefore (6*3000) + (6*800) = 22.800 Euros. In my opinion this is the money students lost due to delays and all these happenings. Simply adding onto training cost; 72K +23K= 95K anyone considering to choose BAA should think about these numbers and make decision accordingly. Close to that amount you can even have training including accommodation and 3 course meal provided in some schools.

At the end of the day, simple student' training total cost, including all the life expenses will be as much as top notch schools such as CAE, L3 or FTE. BAA is just a random school. Without Wizzair partnership they wouldn't enroll more than 30-35 independent students per year.

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Old 5th Dec 2018, 15:23
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Originally Posted by BAATraining View Post
To all BAA Training current and future pilots,

Reacting to the current situation at our Ab Initio school, we apologize for inconveniences that we have caused you.

With the growing student number at our Ab Initio school, we have added 4 additional aircraft to our fleet and a flight base in Spain in order to extend our training capabilities. Nevertheless the number of force majeure situations that appeared during few past months left us with struggles to replan flight training schedule accordingly.
Do you even know what force majeure means?!? You have been planning a move to Spain for over a year. OVER A YEAR! And after a major flop of operation in Spain for few months, you sent students back, ended up short of instructors and airplanes. Thats not force majeure, that is a JOKE OF OPERATION with a BAD MANAGEMENT.


Originally Posted by BAATraining View Post
We acknowledge facing longer delays of flight training than initially planned for approximately 14% of our current students.
Again, thats a lie. More than half of your students are effected. That is not 14%. Maybe you should take that compass test to improve your math.

Originally Posted by BAATraining View Post
Understanding the seriousness of the issue we have done a set of steps in order to change the situation and get back to the normal flight training schedule.

We are:
  • undergoing the selection processes for multi-engine and single-engine IRF and VFR instructors to join our team in December, January and February
Have you ever stopped to think why you are ending up placing an add for new instructors every month on Aviation websites? Do you even for one minute have stopped to think as to why no instructor ever stays for more than few months?

Originally Posted by BAATraining View Post
  • closing a purchase process for an additional Cessna 172 to join our fleet as we speak
  • negotiating the purchase for one more Cessna 172 to be added in spring
So, you had over a year to think about the Spanish operation, meanwhile enrolling more students but you are now almost NEGOTIATING or CLOSING A DEAL to purchase 2 Cessna 172s? Well whoop tee do to anyone who is dumb enough to actually feel happy about this (fake?) news

Originally Posted by BAATraining View Post
The whole BAA Training Ab Initio team is putting their utmost priority and daily efforts not only to make changes but also communicate openly with our students through this process.
You communicate until you receive money. As soon as there is any problem, your solution to any problem is to stop communication or just play dumb.

In my opinion, you are probably THE worst institution in aviation history.
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Old 5th Dec 2018, 16:25
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Before those so-called "cadet programs", that school was a random unknown school.
It was like a vacation club, rich kids driving Porsche Cayenne or the last BMW 6, quiet heaven where the pressure didn't exist.
Things have changed, the tills are full, but the holiday camp organisation remains the same.

Party is over. Go back to work!

I don't know what the Airlines think about getting students 6 months after the promized time.
Any Airline would be very upset to get their cadets with such a delay.
In the long term, those airlines would be totally right to break the contract with BAA, as the school is not even able to provide their new f/o in a reasonable time.
So be extremely careful about that school. Who knows what can happen soon...
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Old 5th Dec 2018, 17:13
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Originally Posted by BAATraining View Post
To all BAA Training current and future pilots,
Instead of going back to your present students to offer solutions or to get their opinion about possible future planning alternatives, you have just registered a new account here today to post your message on an open forum.
Even this act alone shows that your objective is to do some marketing towards 'future potential pilots'.
You people are incompetent in every aspect of aviation business.
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Students are so desperate that they created a Facebook group to make fun of the school.
Go check it out, type Baltic Aviation Academy memes on Facebook you'll have some fun for the evening
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Old 5th Dec 2018, 21:22
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Many things that are going down at BAA are basically ripped straight out of the Soviet playbooks: misinformation, keeping people in the dark, exerting psychological pressure and a clear lack of anything that could somehow be construed as a "customer friendly mentality" (oh, wait, no, the people shelling out tens of thousands of euros to attend a private flight school are not "customers" apparently...).
Mix all of this goodness with a fresh dose of newly imported capitalist greed and you've got one hell of a combination.

I could write an entire book about all the things there that it defies the apparent fact that this is a training organization operating under an EASA license. Clearly someone, somewhere, made a terrible mistake or ten.
Of course, many of their transgressions can surely be forgiven. Clearly they would pass any and all audits that might be conducted in the future.
The barely competent ground school instructors, some of whom speak English at a level that is far removed from even ICAO 4 and mostly play YouTube videos because "this subject is quite complicated"? Forgiven.
Making up nonsensical rules about "conduct at school" and exerting psychological pressure on the student body wherever possible? Forgiven.
Cutting corners to the absolute maximum extent possible ("Oh, you will have to pay for those epaulettes!"), singling out malcontents and trying to milk the current flood of students as much as possible before that house of cards they have created for themselves inevitably collapses? Forgiven?

Things are bad, there is no sugar-coating it. The idea to move operations to Lleida over the winter was so poorly thought through that it is hard to imagine what kind of process they must have followed as far as decision-making is concerned.

Fact is: winter weather in Lleida is terrible. The current maintenance solution is untenable. Operational conduct and planning are okay at the best of times and disastrous at the worst. The fog is all-encompassing and barely any flying will happen.

Add to that the fact that it is not a nice place to stay. Pretty much no one speaks English, few people are willing to rent to foreigners and especially not on short notice.

It goes without saying that training there is a major expense for many students with no help whatsoever provided by BAA. Let's not forget that all current students signed contracts for training in Lithuania. Nowhere does it mention having to move countries again. For many, this has been a giant hassle after having brought all of their ducks in a row in Lithuania, particularly for non-Europeans (think of residency, permits, etc.).

The biggest joke was that, though rumors had existed that a move to Spain was in the cards, concrete information was withheld for AS LONG AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE. Why did they do this? What did they stand to gain from leaving people in the dark and preventing them from preparing a move to the other end of Europe? We shall never know.

Competent instructors have been leaving in droves. No wonder, they are just as shafted as the student body, if not worse. BAA provides little support to them, in addition to simply appalling working conditions and laughable remuneration. Their efforts to replace these instructors will do nothing but attract the dregs of the industry. Surely another point in favour of training quality and flight safety.

It seems that every step of the way the decisions they make only serve to shoot themselves in the foot with additional bullets. When profits skyrocketed due to influx of students, it would have been prudent to increase instructor remuneration to a level that resembles a living wage. It would have been prudent to invest in additional FNPTs in Vilnius, not simulators in Vietnam. It would have been most prudent to invest in more, desperately needed aircraft (and potentially aircraft that are actually suitable for dual seat training operations and not constantly bordering on or exceeding MTOW).

And, finally, it would have been prudent to select a base for winter operations after doing PROPER RESEARCH into the operating conditions there (it's also nice that aircraft currently cannot be maintained on site but have to be ferried to SABADELL) and not to select a base where the fog is famous enough to warrant status as a literal tourist attraction, though in all honesty, a winter base may not even have been necessary, if proper amounts of aircraft were available in Kaunas and training was scheduled in a more sensible manner in the first place...as such, the Lleida "expedition" resembles the era of imperialism leading up to WW1: it is BAA's "Place in the Sun" - or rather "Place in the Fog".

Let's not get into the, really quite irrelevant, topic of maintenance and safety, shall we? After all, this is clearly not a safety-critical industry...been there, done that. We even have our very own crash, news coverage and all. Isn't that lovely?

I wish that one day one of the higher-ups will blow the whistle on this whole outfit and release an autobiography laying out this charade in full detail. It could serve as study material for everyone from economists to social scientists - and sadly as cautionary tale for the entire aviation industry.

All this is just scratching the tip of an absolutely immense underwater iceberg of lies and incompetence. If you've not already pledged your soul and parent's savings to this band of merry fools, I advise you to stay as far away as possible. Though, do visit Lithuania if you get the chance, it truly is a magical place when you're not spending it at Dariaus ir Gireno gatvť.
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