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The perpetual 'Am I too old?' thread

Old 2nd Jan 2012, 16:28
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Thank you!

All input much appreciated folks. So, PPL it is and buy my own A320!
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Old 3rd Jan 2012, 08:16
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All input much appreciated folks. So, PPL it is and buy my own A320!
Keep your job and buy a cheap fighter (or military trainer)!

At 55 you will become a jet fighter pilot without having to kill anybody, best of the best if you ask me.

Buy a Mig 21 instead of an Airbus, first it's more realistic (the price of your CPL/IR/TR), second it's much cooler.

Flying with your Mig 21 will look so much better than joining the p2f army!

And when you won't be able to pay for maintenance anymore, you 'd still be able to sell it the same price!


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Old 3rd Jan 2012, 08:23
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Thank you again!

Brilliant concept! Had my eye on a Lightning but as an RAF mate once told me, "if we struggled to keep them in the air, you won't stand a chance!"
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Old 3rd Jan 2012, 08:29
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Don't be so impressed.

Some armies sent their pilot to war and to some extremely difficult missions with less than 200 hours total.


You can get maximum fun with a Bellanca Citabria too...
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Old 6th Apr 2012, 10:49
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Some opinions on training needed

Hi all. I need a few opinions on training, so thought I'd drop a post on here. Basically i've been floating around in aviation on a private basis for a few years now, and have managed to achieve ppl, night, imc and 160 hours. From the outset I always intended to try and make a career out of it, but have been somewhat stalled by the gloomy economic outlook over the past few years.

As of recently I have 0 commitments again (The dating scene just doesn't seem like its for me at the moment lol) so I have once again started considering my options regarding training. So... a few points...

1) If I got started fairly soon, given my age is a bit adavanced on that of some starters (I'm just 27) is there a chance of making a decent career out of it? I'm not looking to get rich and retire at 50 (In fact I don't really plan on retiring at all, but simply getting stuff paid off and continuing to do various intereting jobs on the side). However, I would obviously like to get some sort of return on my investment to enable me to live a bit of a life. I was looking at going down the CPL FI TR route and perhaps trying to get into biz jet flying within say 3 - 5 years (Making me early 30s), giving me hopefully another 30 years to make some money out of it.... does this sound feasible?

2) I potentially have an instructor job at my club lined up for when I qualify, as the CFI there is very impressed with my flying. It wouldn't be much but it would be a start, which given what I read around the forums is not to be sniffed at in the current climate.

3) Finally... I have a background in teaching and classroom instruction... Do you think this could be used to compliment my aviation career (And earnings) in the early stages... perhaps through doing lots of groundschool instructing (If there is much of this type of work available?)

Any opinions on my plans / situation are much appreciated.

Grouse
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Old 28th Apr 2012, 19:10
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35/36 too old to get an airline job?

I visited the Flyer Exhibition at Heathrow today and was told by a representative of one of the big FTOs in no uncertain terms (albeit politely) that at 35 and beyond I would have practically zero chance of getting an airline job on completion of my training.

Is this pretty much true or was it being exaggerated a little? It would be good to know as I don't want to invest a huge amount of money into the training when there's nothing to be gained from it in terms of airline employment at the end.

Cheers.
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Old 28th Apr 2012, 20:27
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Utter Utter Cobblers; you are hardly in a Care Home are you! The only folks who spout this twaddle are those that think the aviation world can only be skinned one way by MOL or CTC.

1. Get a CPL/IR Frozen ATPL.

2. Pay for a 500 hour package on an A320.

Voila.... aged late 30's you will be in the self same position as most other folks.

Rated, and with hours on type (enough hours), and fully current unlike those that havent flown for years due to the downturn.

Check out the job adds.. you will be rather well placed in fact compared with many.

BN
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Old 28th Apr 2012, 21:35
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At 36 I was told pretty much the same thing (from a number of different sources). Didn't stop one of the big three offering me a place on an integrated course though!

Fortunately I don't intend on aiming for the airline sector. And I'm following a modular route outside of the big schools. We'll see where it takes me. Whatever happens, it won't be wasted time and money, for me at least.
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Old 28th Apr 2012, 21:43
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Unless you can explain the reasons, it will raise questions in some minds as to why you weren't trying to get in 15 years ago of course!
Simples... lack of money.
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Old 28th Apr 2012, 22:41
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I questioned the individual about BA's FPP and his answer was that the airlines can't be seen to be discriminating about age etc.

There seems to be a lot of mixed messages on this thread and that of course is down to everyone having different experiences. I might add that this person didn't say that I wouldn't be able to start training with them, just that there wouldn't be much chance of airline employment afterwards.

Food for thought.
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Old 28th Apr 2012, 23:34
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It's a punt at the best of times, in your mid thirties even more so. If you treat it as such and can afford to do it without risking your livelihood, then go for it. You'll find numerous examples on here of people who made it into airlines at that age and older, albeit few recent ones.

but for goodness sake, get yourself independently aptitude tested e.g. GAPAN.
That's the best bit of advice, aside from getting the medical.
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Old 28th Apr 2012, 23:44
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Definitely do an aptitude test. But also note that if you are already a PPL with a number of hours, parts of the aptitude test are less accurate.

I would have thought you'd have an unfair advantage. Actually the opposite is true, at least it was in my case. Fortunately a sim flight showed a more reasonable assessment of ability.

So, do one, but don't be gutted if you don't ace it all.

PS truck flyer, congrats! An enviable yet unenviable position for you! Good luck whichever way you go.
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Old 29th Apr 2012, 09:58
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but for goodness sake, get yourself independently aptitude tested e.g. GAPAN.
They told me a few years back that I had "a low chance of success in pilot training". I passed all my ATPLs first time, first time pass at CPL, first series pass IR, employed within 3 months of finishing course, gained command in minimum hours.

I guess I'm one of those "very, very few" for whom the tests are inaccurate.
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Old 29th Apr 2012, 12:23
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Guys,

I got my first "proper" airline job at 39 - granted I took the interview when I was just coming up 37 and then was made to "swim" in a hold pool for years - but in the end it worked out. I was not a complete newbie, as I had done a few years of Air Taxi (PA31 Navajo) on and off and was an ICAO licence converter.

It can be done, and older guys (>30) can still get flying jobs. I now work for a well established regional TP operator.

Like Artie, I think I would have pretty much fluffed the GAPAN type tests. Nevertheless I also managed to get first time passes in all the required stuff and this was the key element for gaining an interview. Operators really can pick and choose right now, so if you are a slightly more "mature" applicant, make sure you get top marks and study / fly hard.

Good luck to all
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Old 29th Apr 2012, 22:42
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Artie - I would respectfully point out as well that it is but an indication: if for whatever reason you sat more than one standard distribution below the mean for all the characteristics tested, while past data suggested all those successful had been above that point to within one standard error, you would be the valid exception to the rule, even if all concepts and parts of the CPL/IR came to you as naturally for you than for any of your coursemates.
I confess I really don't understand the above, but put quite simply, I was told politely but firmly that I had no chance whatsoever and should believe what I was told.

I know GAPAN have the most honourable and decent intentions with their tests, but how many fledgling careers have been unnecessarily cut short at Cranwell? The real scandal is we don't know and nor do they!

put a little faith in a huge body of scientific statistical data.
Well that's my gripe. Do they ask for feedback on how the GAPAN test candidates eventually fared in pilot training? I've certainly never been asked. How can they be so certain that their tests accurately reflect the demands of modern civilian pilot training?
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Old 29th Apr 2012, 23:07
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Three people I know scored low on the hand-eye coordination part of the test. This despite reasonable accomplishment in Pitts and Cessna aerobatics (requiring somewhat different skills, but both good hand-eye coordination), and vintage dissimilar-type formation (also requiring some stick finesse).

I tend to agree with Artie, although it must also be said that there are so many people applying that they can afford to turn away good people because the remainder are likely to be good. The danger comes when the not so good get through, either because they're good at those tests, or the standards are dropped. Then the filtering criteria becomes financial, and that isn't so good. In my opinion, that is.

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Old 10th Jun 2012, 15:41
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@ what age shouldn't start a career as Pilot

Hi,
I am very curious to hear from members on what age is wrong to start/take up the career or being a Pilot. Is there any "un-said" truth in hireability if you are not a young pilot aspirant?

Planning a major shift in career path @ 40yrs, want to take up the career of Pilot which has been a childhood dream.

- Which flying institute is most preferred in US?
- What are the chances of getting hired immediately after securing the CPL?

Any advice is highly valuable, thank you all in advance.
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Old 10th Jun 2012, 17:28
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http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...2010-11-a.html

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Old 29th Jun 2012, 02:35
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Devil Naive, Dreamer or Silly!?!

Hi Everyone,

No sarcasm, wise-guys PLEASE

36yrs old, PPL and 80+hrs.....

AM I MAD TO BE CONTEMPLATING A CPL/ME/IR???

total career change....call it my "mid-life crisis"!!!!

would i be 'marketable/employable'???

Cheers..............
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Old 29th Jun 2012, 02:59
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I'm a young gun, I'm only 23, but I'll offer up my advice, for what it's worth (which to you is probably not a lot, to me it's the world )

Are you loaded, filthy, wipe your ass with $100 bills rich? Then no you're not insane, have fun...I am jealous.


Are you married? Then maybe you're a little more crazy, depending on the kind of woman you're married to.

Are you married with kids? Then yes, you are insane...in my opinion.

Are you single with the finances to go through with it? Then you'd be insane not to do it! Who cares how old you are. Chances are you won't make it to the left seat of a BA 747 in your career, but you do still have 24 years left before the mandatory retirement age, so have at 'er. You're only as marketable as you make yourself out to be.

Here's how I look at it. There are a lot of naysayers in the aviation world. A lot. In fact for the last, oh I'd say 5-6 years, I had completely given up any hope I ever had of being a professional airline pilot, thanks to said naysayers. Threw out Flight Simulator, gave away my Justplanes DVDs, started drinking my money instead of saving it, etc. etc. Then I joined the military. And you know what I realized...people are always going to whine and bitch, regardless of how good they have it. I have the jammiest job, and for the amount of work I actually do vs. how much I get paid, I'm richer than Bill Gates himself. But all I hear from coworkers is complaints. Whine, whine, whine. I get wicked money, a sweet pension, get to travel the world, do some super cool things (ever had a helicopter dunk you numerous times into the ocean? Didn't think so, I did) and the list goes on. And while I'm not a complainer it made me realize - do what you love. Seriously. The only thing that's going to make you happy is doing what you love. Sure a good salary, and security and what not are important, but so many people I hear whining make it the be all and end all.
I've only come to this conclusion very recently so now instead of signing a longer military contract, I'm getting out in a few short years and pursuing my dream. I don't care how long it takes and how poor I am. I'd rather be happy than comfortable. Maybe I'm seeing life through rose coloured glasses...but I've seen infanteers in Afghanistan in the most brutal conditions who are happier than a pig in because all they ever wanted was to be a soldier. Goes to show, in my book.

Rant over.

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