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Axel, I did my IR and hour building at FF and now I'm doing the CPL course and IR conversion at Keilir.
About doing first the FAA CPL/IR/ME, don't know what to say. Personally I skipped this route considering it useless, unless you have the right to live and work in US.
If money are an issue for you, I would suggest you first to do the PPL (either FAA or EASA) in Florida, then start your ATPL theory distance, also there, building in the same time about 150h PIC, then return back in Europe and do the FI course in a school that most probably will hire you after (let say for about 2 years for instructing).You will have 3 years after the last ATPL theory exam done, to do your EASA CPL/IR/ME.
If you choose 1st way, do your ATPL theory distance learning in Florida during your hour building and then go to Keilir.
MCC course is not required by most German airlines.
About doing first the FAA CPL/IR/ME, don't know what to say. Personally I skipped this route considering it useless, unless you have the right to live and work in US.
If money are an issue for you, I would suggest you first to do the PPL (either FAA or EASA) in Florida, then start your ATPL theory distance, also there, building in the same time about 150h PIC, then return back in Europe and do the FI course in a school that most probably will hire you after (let say for about 2 years for instructing).You will have 3 years after the last ATPL theory exam done, to do your EASA CPL/IR/ME.
If you choose 1st way, do your ATPL theory distance learning in Florida during your hour building and then go to Keilir.
MCC course is not required by most German airlines.
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The classic Modular Vs Integrated
Hello all... I'm 18, and started studying for my AS exams in september 2013. However, I've finally admitted defeat, they are officially too difficult for me (maths, chem and physics), so I've decided to drop out and get a full time job.
So, my question is: With earning a living now, would it be better to do my PPL through to FI, use FI to build hours, then get my ATPL and go get a job as a commercial pilot (after 6 or 7 years of instructing), or save up for 15 years or so to do the integrated route?
I think I'd really enjoy instructing, and I know the money isn't great, but to get to that stage is certainly a lot easier on my pocket than going for the integrated, and I'd be able to get plenty of experience before going into the airline world...
Thank you.
So, my question is: With earning a living now, would it be better to do my PPL through to FI, use FI to build hours, then get my ATPL and go get a job as a commercial pilot (after 6 or 7 years of instructing), or save up for 15 years or so to do the integrated route?
I think I'd really enjoy instructing, and I know the money isn't great, but to get to that stage is certainly a lot easier on my pocket than going for the integrated, and I'd be able to get plenty of experience before going into the airline world...
Thank you.
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I've heard rumours that you will be able to get an FI rating on just a PPL. Not 100% sure if thats going ahead, perhaps it is going ahead or is already being done.
However, even if you can instruct with a PPL and FI rating, without doing a CPL it would be illegal for you to earn money by that method of instructing. So that'd be something to bear in mind.
I think I'm right in saying that, happy to be corrected if thats not the case!
However, even if you can instruct with a PPL and FI rating, without doing a CPL it would be illegal for you to earn money by that method of instructing. So that'd be something to bear in mind.
I think I'm right in saying that, happy to be corrected if thats not the case!
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You also need 1500 hours total time.
Not trying to be funny, but if you found AS level studying hard enough to beat you...the ATPL exams might prove incredibly frustrating to you.
Not trying to be funny, but if you found AS level studying hard enough to beat you...the ATPL exams might prove incredibly frustrating to you.
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I think Dash8' has a point. If AS level maths and physics are causing serious problems, you may find the ATPLs harder going than you expect, especially if going down the integrated route due to the intensity of the ground school phase. Saving up for 15 years to start an intensive course with a lot of maths and physics involved doesn't sound sensible. You'll be 15 years on from when you last studied either subject and, as such, find the ATPLs even harder. By then you'd also be in your mid 30s and fighting for jobs against better qualified, younger graduates, who may well have higher ATPL results due to their maths and physics aptitude.
You might want to just knuckle down and really work on the maths and physics while it's still fresh. Whichever route you take, it's going to be pretty important (notwithstanding any enormous changes in the ATPL syllabus).
You might want to just knuckle down and really work on the maths and physics while it's still fresh. Whichever route you take, it's going to be pretty important (notwithstanding any enormous changes in the ATPL syllabus).
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You guys are talking rubbish. I had full fails in math and physics at a-level, got over 90% average in ATPLs, first time passes in everything and a stellar training record. I also managed a 98% in the theory exam of the short/medium haul jet I now fly.
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Hi Guys,
Does anybody know anything about National Flight Centre in Dublin Ireland and Atlantic Flight Training academy in Cork Airport ireland? Which is better for the modular route? I was thinking of doing the integrated route in one of them but by the posts here I do not think the integrated route is worth it?
Or would i be better to do a modular route in OAA or CTC?
Does anybody know anything about National Flight Centre in Dublin Ireland and Atlantic Flight Training academy in Cork Airport ireland? Which is better for the modular route? I was thinking of doing the integrated route in one of them but by the posts here I do not think the integrated route is worth it?
Or would i be better to do a modular route in OAA or CTC?
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Hi guys just a quick question.
Is it possible to go for your ATPL theory when you have your FAA PPL with 100hrs PIC so a total of 145 or so? Okay I'll need 150TT so start with the CPL so I'll need some extra PIC hours or when I'm not ready for the PPL checkride a few lessons more.
But is it possible? Or do I need to convert it to an EASA PPL?
Is it possible to go for your ATPL theory when you have your FAA PPL with 100hrs PIC so a total of 145 or so? Okay I'll need 150TT so start with the CPL so I'll need some extra PIC hours or when I'm not ready for the PPL checkride a few lessons more.
But is it possible? Or do I need to convert it to an EASA PPL?
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If your PPL is an ICAO recognized PPL (which in this case it is), then yes you can start your ATPL theory without converting your FAA PPL to an EASA. You might want to have a look at this: http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...efore-ppl.html
Cheers!
Cheers!
ATPL exams are not difficult. Most people get over 90% for the simple reason that the questions and multiple choice answers are freely available to all students.
The background theory, however... well, that may be beyond a lot of people.
The background theory, however... well, that may be beyond a lot of people.
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Should I risk more to succeed?
Good afternoon, I´m a student pilot doing the theory of the ATPL at Oxford (distance learning) and was very satisfied with the quality of the instructors in my first brush up course. I recently tried to get a 30000 pounds secured loan from a Spanish bank to finish the rest of my modular training but got refused due to the current economic climate there.
We all know that BBVA provides secured loans to those integrated students from oaa, and they tend to find jobs more easily (or faster) than rest of the modular pilots.
Considering my personal situation, would you consider wise spending 100.000 pounds to get the integrated course in one of the best schools or should I continue my modular training, which without a loan might take me 3-5 years more to finish.
Best regards.
We all know that BBVA provides secured loans to those integrated students from oaa, and they tend to find jobs more easily (or faster) than rest of the modular pilots.
Considering my personal situation, would you consider wise spending 100.000 pounds to get the integrated course in one of the best schools or should I continue my modular training, which without a loan might take me 3-5 years more to finish.
Best regards.
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As ever, each to their own opinion, this is what I've done. I'm sure others will give their own input too.
I considered doing CTC or OAA integrated so I had the same choice. I made the choice to do it whilst holding down a full-time job, just about to finish my last 3 ATPL's D/L and hopefully do my CPL/IR down at CTC.
For me, not wanting to have that burden of debt over my head convinced me to do it mod. I've spent 3 years saving up, travelling all over the place with work, flying at the weekends, completing my PPL, trips with friends, girlfriend and enjoying my flying, rather than being in crap loads of debt with no guarantee of a job and the stress that comes with it. Would I have gone integrated if I could have afforded it? Definitely, but I couldn't.
However, Now i'm in the position of having £50k in the bank, can finish my training, go back to my job after finishing the CPL/IR and if takes me 2 years to get a jet job, then so be it. I won't have any debt and will be able to potentially fund a type rating for a certain airline if I am given the opportunity.
Yes you'd prob get a job quicker through integrated, but what happens if you don't? That's what I thought, and I'm pleased with my decision.
I considered doing CTC or OAA integrated so I had the same choice. I made the choice to do it whilst holding down a full-time job, just about to finish my last 3 ATPL's D/L and hopefully do my CPL/IR down at CTC.
For me, not wanting to have that burden of debt over my head convinced me to do it mod. I've spent 3 years saving up, travelling all over the place with work, flying at the weekends, completing my PPL, trips with friends, girlfriend and enjoying my flying, rather than being in crap loads of debt with no guarantee of a job and the stress that comes with it. Would I have gone integrated if I could have afforded it? Definitely, but I couldn't.
However, Now i'm in the position of having £50k in the bank, can finish my training, go back to my job after finishing the CPL/IR and if takes me 2 years to get a jet job, then so be it. I won't have any debt and will be able to potentially fund a type rating for a certain airline if I am given the opportunity.
Yes you'd prob get a job quicker through integrated, but what happens if you don't? That's what I thought, and I'm pleased with my decision.
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Hi there,
Someone over here who has experience about getting your FAA PPL and directly 100hrs PIC in the USA? There are really a lot of schools who give this opportunity. Have talked with AAA, Chandler and Naples.
Which one did you go, or would you recommend?
What timeframe do I need to think of? The FAA PPL can be obtained in a timeframe of 6-8 weeks from what I've been advised, and getting the 100hrs done can be done in 20 days, but I will calculate it as 30 days (maintenance, bad weather etc). Is this realistic?
Is total price (housing/food/tickets from EU to US/medicals/tests/TSA/M1 etc) €25.000 realistic?
Someone over here who has experience about getting your FAA PPL and directly 100hrs PIC in the USA? There are really a lot of schools who give this opportunity. Have talked with AAA, Chandler and Naples.
Which one did you go, or would you recommend?
What timeframe do I need to think of? The FAA PPL can be obtained in a timeframe of 6-8 weeks from what I've been advised, and getting the 100hrs done can be done in 20 days, but I will calculate it as 30 days (maintenance, bad weather etc). Is this realistic?
Is total price (housing/food/tickets from EU to US/medicals/tests/TSA/M1 etc) €25.000 realistic?
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ATPL Theoretical Training - CBT or...?
Gents,
Since I am working full-time I would like to take the ATPL theoretical examinations following a CBT programme.
I have been exploring a number of FTO's, and besides what I found on their websites I could no retrieve useful information on reliability and quality of their training courses.
I would like to ask if anybody has performed on-line theoretical training and what are your recommendations, things to pay attention etc...
I quote here an email received from a Romanian FTO:
Since I am working full-time I would like to take the ATPL theoretical examinations following a CBT programme.
I have been exploring a number of FTO's, and besides what I found on their websites I could no retrieve useful information on reliability and quality of their training courses.
I would like to ask if anybody has performed on-line theoretical training and what are your recommendations, things to pay attention etc...
I quote here an email received from a Romanian FTO:
Of course our ATO is authorized to deliver this ATPL theoretical training using the most appropriate tool designed for an active person: ON-LINE TRAINING. I do not know if you’re familiar with the idea but our ATPL training is based on the BRISTOL ATPL CBTs – we will give you a DVD including an important part of the classes and a CD KEY to allow you to download all the information into your computer and to be fully connected with Bristol Aviation DataBase. One of our specialized ground trainers will be your tutor during the training and will guide and assist you step by step from the beginning to the end. At the end of the training you will attend a brush-up session with us, at the school. Basis on our ATO recommendation and on the Graduation Diploma you may enroll for the above mentioned 14 exams (maximum 6 examinations sessions in no more than 18 months).
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Modular or Integrated ATPL training?
Hey people. I am looking forward for my ATPL training but am confused whether i should go for modular or integrated. Modular is much more time consuming but I heard it has it's own benefits too.
Some folks are telling me to go for modular and some are telling me to go for Integrated.
PPRuNers your thoughts on this would help.
Thanks
Some folks are telling me to go for modular and some are telling me to go for Integrated.
PPRuNers your thoughts on this would help.
Thanks
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Regarding this and your other O-level post asking for assistance. I and others from the O-level post often reply with sensible answers to SPECIFIC questions asked by potential students. Your original request was not specific enough, then you didn't like some of the answers re UK. People will not help you after they have gone to the EFFORT to assist but you don't like their answer as it's not relevant to you.
The integrated modular debate has been flogged to death on this forum, try searching them. There is a sticky post near the top of the page, I suggest you start there.
You must learn to do some work and put some effort in yourself then you are likely to get some helpful replies. Best of luck, you are going to need it.
Regarding this and your other O-level post asking for assistance. I and others from the O-level post often reply with sensible answers to SPECIFIC questions asked by potential students. Your original request was not specific enough, then you didn't like some of the answers re UK. People will not help you after they have gone to the EFFORT to assist but you don't like their answer as it's not relevant to you.
The integrated modular debate has been flogged to death on this forum, try searching them. There is a sticky post near the top of the page, I suggest you start there.
You must learn to do some work and put some effort in yourself then you are likely to get some helpful replies. Best of luck, you are going to need it.
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Hello Richard
My intention was not to offend anyone. If you and others felt offended by my replies I apologise deeply.
And as far as I can recall I don't think I said anything about not liking anyone's answer. The wiggy said it I thought it was rude (my way of thinking) I never said that his answers were bad or I didn't like them.
My intention was not to offend anyone. If you and others felt offended by my replies I apologise deeply.
And as far as I can recall I don't think I said anything about not liking anyone's answer. The wiggy said it I thought it was rude (my way of thinking) I never said that his answers were bad or I didn't like them.