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Old 12th Jul 2011, 16:22   #281 (permalink)
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Thanks very much for your info, much appreciated.

At the moment the best flight school I can find is European Flight Training (EFT) based in Fort Pierce, Florida. They offer a good sounding sounding package including the JAA PPL, Radiotelephony course, Night Rating along with 21 days accommodation (the duration of the course)

I am currently getting a few hours logged with the hope of going over and getting my PPL in the minimum time, here's hoping!

EFT seem a reputable school but would be grateful if anyone has any comments or past experiences there.

I plan to head out in October to complete the PPL so I'll be sure to provide anyone with info regarding the school etc...

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Old 21st Jul 2011, 15:48   #282 (permalink)
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Im so confused with all of this.

Can somebody tell me what the pilot ratings are and how you get them and what different ratings there are?

Ive searched all over the internet but cant find anything.
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Old 29th Jul 2011, 09:13   #283 (permalink)
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ask your dady for t/r and XXXX hours of line training, and PAY TO WORK until the airline kick you out for the next idiot who believe he will get a paid job!
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Old 25th Aug 2011, 15:43   #284 (permalink)

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Old 20th Sep 2011, 10:36   #285 (permalink)
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Could someone tell me how oxfords modular atpl theory and waypoint program are viewed by the airlines?

Theoretically speaking if I happen to do oxfords atpl full time and thereafter their waypoint program. Wouldnt this be considered the same quality as integrated? or am I being a bit too optimistic on my way of thinking?
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Old 29th Sep 2011, 16:52   #286 (permalink)
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I completed my training last month at Stapleford Flight Centre. Here is my break down:

PPL+Ground school.
Night Course.
Hour building all in UK. All land aways were free.
CPL+CAA skills test and 170A
IR+CAA skills test and 170A
ATPL London Met. Distance Learning+exam fees
Licence fees

TOTAL 42934.

I started in 2008 and it has taken me 3 years and 8 months to complete all my training all with first time passes and in minimum hours, working full time and managed to do most of it without using much holiday time(15 days for ATPL ground school).

Stapleford has treated me well especially during CPL and IR. Thumbs up from me.

The only thing I haven`t added in is fuel costs to and from the airfield but everything else is 99% accurate.
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Old 3rd Oct 2011, 14:34   #287 (permalink)
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I wonder from 0 to ATPL module system, is the following the correct route as what I understood?

PPL -> Multi CPL/IR -> MCC -> ATPL

My current location could not even complete PPL due to limited airspace so I am looking at country such as MY for PPL and the rest in NZ/AU. Or do every module in NZ/AU.

Any advise? pm me if posting sch name is not advisable.

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Old 3rd Oct 2011, 21:35   #288 (permalink)
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Lowest cost 0 to fATPL in the UK

The following taken from a flight training price comparison web site Oct 2011

Best possible UK Flight Training Organisation prices for each module:
PPL (from targetaviation) 6982
Night Rating (from targetaviation) 820
100 Hours solo flight (including Landing fees fuel and vat) EGGP 7374.00
ATPL exams (from CATS) 999.00
CPL - 28 hr incl MEP Ravenair 6638.50
IR Instrument Rating Ravenair 9999.00
MCC course various 1750.00
Grand Total (for comparison purposes) ** 34,562.50

How much can you pay for the same deal?
* Costs taken off official company web sites / price lists including discounts and advertised special offers
BCFT Bournmouth Commercial Flight raining 43,724.03
Excludes: CAA exam fees CPL test fee, IR test fee CAA issue costs, PPL equip

Multiflight 37,950.00
Excludes: Medical, CPL test fee, IR Test Fee, CAA exam fees, CAA licence issue fees, Aircraft hire for tests, 170A fee, Landing and approach fees in UK, flights to and from USA, accommodation in USA, headset, meals in the USA, all training must be done in min hrs - Excludes the MCC even thought it is essential for fATPL.
PPL and hour build MUST be done in USA.

Flying Time Aviation 45,450.00
Excludes all tests CAA fees and a/c hire for tests, minimum hours only on all courses, medical

Atlantic Flight Training Ireland 51,346.00
Excludes, Flight test fees, flights to ireland, accommodation in ireland, Medical

Triple A Flying 31,500.00 Only for isolated PPL CPL and IR, excludes half of all you need, too much to list !

Aero's 23,00.00 Only for isolated PPL CPL and IR, excludes half of all your need for an fATPL

Flight Training Europe 71,000.00 Actual includes everything !
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Old 5th Oct 2011, 15:11   #289 (permalink)
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Heavy Goods Vehicle (Cat C) drivers course: 5 days, 895, earn 18-20k/year

General Domestic Electrician's course: 17 days, 2,295 (+ tools & van), earn ~25-35k/year

General Domestic level 2 Plumbing course: 10 weeks, 4,795 (+ tools & van), earn ~30-40k/year

Level 3 Plumbing and Gas Engineer course: 20 weeks, 12,975 (+ tools & van), earn ~35-45k/year

Earnings, of course are rough average values - but you can live anywhere you like, be your own boss, work business hours & holidays (don't underestimate how much this means!), and earnings can be much higher running a successful business (and much lower with an unsuccessful one!).

CPL pilot, with ATPL subject passes (modular): 2-3 years, 40,000 (+ type rating), earn ~15-25k/year?

An employee for the rest of your life, forced to live where the airports are (very commonly in a foreign country), getting up at 3 am or home at 1 am, and never seeing a weekend or having a public holiday (like Christmas) off. Your license will be on the line every six months, and totally worthless in the event of any of a dozen common medical conditions.

It has to be said ...

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Old 13th Oct 2011, 13:34   #290 (permalink)
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Has anyone looked at the waypoint programme at OAA (MECPL, IR and MCC)? roughly £28,000 but with accomodation on top. Need 150 hours, ppl and night rating and also atpl exams done but to me sounds like a good modular course at a well known school
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Old 14th Oct 2011, 10:08   #291 (permalink)
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This sounds crazy but me as a beginner who has never attained any training at zero knowledge about flight, do you think this school can accept me with my O, level education qualifications
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Old 14th Oct 2011, 10:35   #292 (permalink)
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Mate unless you have the right to work in the EU it really isn't worth looking at any EU courses, they are much more expensive than else where. No airline unless you have some special qualification will sponsor you for a work permit.

Most schools will take you on with zero qualifications all they are interested in is getting the cash out of you.
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Old 15th Oct 2011, 15:21   #293 (permalink)
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thanks for your concern. i will try my best before i clock twenty next year to get a sponsor to help me but i am deeply going mad with this..
that's why i need advice in these things.
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Old 18th Oct 2011, 13:56   #294 (permalink)
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Do airlines love more Modular Pilot or Integrated Pilot?

Hi here,

I have just some considerations to share with the ppruners.

I met and discussed with the biggest academies, they all said: "in our integrated path you will be in the careers pool" Over here, is there somebody who was in front of this choice?
Are arilines rectruiting "modular" pilot? I a will be at 99% a module pilot due to money and job restrictions... but I am still asking to myself: do I risk to be rejected becouse I am not an integrated pilot?

Are there flight schools whose are truly considered high standard FTOs?

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Old 18th Oct 2011, 14:09   #295 (permalink)
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There are just as many companys that won't look at you because your an intergrated pilot than there is that will only take intergrated.

The majority don't care either way.

The last 3 companys I worked for wouldn't touch them with a stick low hours unrated. And in that 5 year period they must have taken on about 20 first rating modular pilots and only 2 intergrated low hour but had bought the rating. Unfortunately one didn't complete the base check.
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Old 18th Oct 2011, 15:49   #296 (permalink)
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There are just as many companys that won't look at you because your an intergrated pilot than there is that will only take intergrated.
Not in the world of the well known brands there aren't! By the way it is integrated there is only one r.
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Old 18th Oct 2011, 16:14   #297 (permalink)
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hi again,

let's say, do serious airlines prefer modular one because they have chosen the "good way" to get trained?
For instance, lat's take Easyjet (not Ryanair because we well know the procedure): they always employ pilot trough CTC or OAA, and accord to the press actually, Easyjet is one of the company is recruiting. So my question is, how do I get in Easy avoiding this cast cages?

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Old 18th Oct 2011, 17:13   #298 (permalink)
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It is cheaper, but the question I ask myself: will you get a job with it in the end? Because that's what it's all about: get a job and earn more than you invested.
Seeing that my local flight school asks 0,20 a second flying a Twin star I'm getting desperate and think about just forgetting it all
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Old 18th Oct 2011, 17:39   #299 (permalink)
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I still ask to me:

Is cheaper OK 50k... Integrated is 80k or more. BUT: if with the first one I throw the money and with the second one maybe not.... this is the problem?

hey shekspeare where are you????
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Old 18th Oct 2011, 19:45   #300 (permalink)
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Employment Statistics | Oxford Aviation Academy - OAA.com

They speak for themselves.

Apart from getting screwed for a brookfield contract and temp contract with easy. Both of which you can get access to with mod training. There isn't anything in it. And the plane deliverys will be ending soon so that life line to wannabies will dry up.

The other old favourit BMI isn't in a good position just now.

TC are going for contract summer pilots

So none of the well know brands are recruiting. Even BA are only going to take extras from CTC so if you want a chance at any extra spaces you would be mad going to any of the others.

And I have my doudts about whats going to happen in the EU next year with various things that will come through to shaft the airlines. If my expectations do occur the BA cadets will be doing a bit of trolly dollying before flying the line.

So all thats going to be left is the unknown brands which you will have no advantage with.
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