Academic Qualifications
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I've left school with the normal Standard Grades, so hopefully they just look at my flying record!
I'm going to check with a few pilots at the club to see what type of qualifications they had.
I'm going to check with a few pilots at the club to see what type of qualifications they had.
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So far, in a thread about academic qualifications, there are approximately seven spelling errors and nineteen serious errors of punctuation and grammar in just eight posts.
I know it isn't done to quibble about spelling on the Internet, but if you want to be taken seriously you will have to do better than the above.
I know it isn't done to quibble about spelling on the Internet, but if you want to be taken seriously you will have to do better than the above.
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Oh I do, dear boy, I do.
My point stands - aspiring professionals need to present themselves professionally, and spelling and grammar that would disgrace a 12 year old will not impress potential employers.
I am sure that I am not the only one to spot the irony of a thread about 'acedemic' (sic) qualifications being illiterate.
My point stands - aspiring professionals need to present themselves professionally, and spelling and grammar that would disgrace a 12 year old will not impress potential employers.
I am sure that I am not the only one to spot the irony of a thread about 'acedemic' (sic) qualifications being illiterate.
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My point stands - aspiring professionals need to present themselves professionally, and spelling and grammar that would disgrace a 12 year old will not impress potential employers.
My point stands; aspiring professionals need to present themselves professionally. Spelling and grammar, that would disgrace a twelve year old, will not impress potential employers.
In the real world I am a spelling and grammar Nazi. In cyberspace (how 90's is that sounding) I'm quite sloppy. Its one of the freedoms of the medium. Nobody is ever going to treat a CV and covering letter in the same way they approach a posting on an anon bulletin board.
Nevertheless, Raptor makes a valid point. I used to work as a recruitment officer hiring workers, apprentices and undergraduate sponsorship applicants. You really would be staggered by the dogs breakfast of written communication that I would receive. It may have been a little harsh but I would simply bin the worst examples.
MS Word Grammar and Spellcheck are Not Enough! Get someone older and wiser to checkl important letters and CV's for you before you send them to potential employers. Prior to the 70's schools actually taught grammar. Then I believe it became unfashionable. I know that I was able to get an A-level English Grade 'A' in 1992 with an atrociously basic grasp of grammatical structure and rules.
"Eats, Shoots and Leaves" should be compulsory reading for anyone under the age of 35 who underwent a State education....
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Nevertheless, Raptor makes a valid point. I used to work as a recruitment officer hiring workers, apprentices and undergraduate sponsorship applicants. You really would be staggered by the dogs breakfast of written communication that I would receive. It may have been a little harsh but I would simply bin the worst examples.
MS Word Grammar and Spellcheck are Not Enough! Get someone older and wiser to checkl important letters and CV's for you before you send them to potential employers. Prior to the 70's schools actually taught grammar. Then I believe it became unfashionable. I know that I was able to get an A-level English Grade 'A' in 1992 with an atrociously basic grasp of grammatical structure and rules.
"Eats, Shoots and Leaves" should be compulsory reading for anyone under the age of 35 who underwent a State education....
Cheers
WWW
I understand that certain airlines now make applicants write a short essay with pen and paper when attending for interview. Without the 'benefit' of a spell-checker....
'Yoofspeak' or 'txtmsg' acronymish are totally unacceptable. Give up listening to trash broadcasting and concentrate on correct use of English would be my recommendations.
"Nah, mate. 'Sdoin' me 'ed in, this" will not cut the mustard these days! Neither is the ubiquitous yoof word "Cool" an acceptable interjection!
'Yoofspeak' or 'txtmsg' acronymish are totally unacceptable. Give up listening to trash broadcasting and concentrate on correct use of English would be my recommendations.
"Nah, mate. 'Sdoin' me 'ed in, this" will not cut the mustard these days! Neither is the ubiquitous yoof word "Cool" an acceptable interjection!
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Morning all,
Two points generally following the thread, if I may.
1. Qualifications. I have come across several situations over the past few years where a Degree is 'required' for a number of positions in various companies. What is often not written is that relevant experience or other qualifications will be usually be considered. Typically this is benefits 'mature' candidates (such as myself) much more than our young friends joining the workforce.
As one who sits on various recruitment processes I always try and balance four things :-
formal qualifications, relevant qualifications, life experience and relevant experience.
2. I completely agree that standards of spelling and grammar from younger applicants can be shocking. My own motley collection of teenagers (15 & 16) manage to give me stress attacks when I look over anything they have written by hand for school or college.
Now they are close to considering applications for further education or even employment I am sad to reflect that I would reject instantly any application form which arrived for my attention looking like it had been completed by a 4 year old with a Crayola complex.
The solution here is to work at handwriting - painful I know. Even handwriting letters or a structured diary entry can help.
Ok, rant over - I hope this helps someone out there.
regards,
Bear 555
Two points generally following the thread, if I may.
1. Qualifications. I have come across several situations over the past few years where a Degree is 'required' for a number of positions in various companies. What is often not written is that relevant experience or other qualifications will be usually be considered. Typically this is benefits 'mature' candidates (such as myself) much more than our young friends joining the workforce.
As one who sits on various recruitment processes I always try and balance four things :-
formal qualifications, relevant qualifications, life experience and relevant experience.
2. I completely agree that standards of spelling and grammar from younger applicants can be shocking. My own motley collection of teenagers (15 & 16) manage to give me stress attacks when I look over anything they have written by hand for school or college.
Now they are close to considering applications for further education or even employment I am sad to reflect that I would reject instantly any application form which arrived for my attention looking like it had been completed by a 4 year old with a Crayola complex.
The solution here is to work at handwriting - painful I know. Even handwriting letters or a structured diary entry can help.
Ok, rant over - I hope this helps someone out there.
regards,
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The three overridingly most important factors for securing a job are presentation, presentation and presentation.
Presentation: A good well prepared clearly written application free of grammatical and spelling errors. (Followed up by the ability to actually write and spell properly at the interview) An application form which looks like a demented spider has crawled through ink then across the form just won't do! Flying is a precise science and a prospective employer is easily going to be persuaded to look at another's application if yours isn't precisely set out. I have personally discarded application forms submitted to me purely on the basis that they are too difficult to read!
Presentation: Clear verbal communication. The people doing the selections will probably be life experienced people like B Eagle who cringe at “Yeh Right" and "Cool" interjections (fraud I'm in that category too). The selectors will undoubtedly looking for somebody who fills the image that the company wants to promote to its customers.
Presentation: Smart clothing, it’s not a fashion parade, forget the hair gel and tinted glasses.
Now back to qualifications, in my view "suitable" qualifications are very important but after that I'm really not sure that extra qualifications are either a particular advantage or disadvantage. Certainly I've heard some candidates claim that they were "over qualified" for the job as a face saving exercise having failed to secure the job against less qualified competition
Presentation: A good well prepared clearly written application free of grammatical and spelling errors. (Followed up by the ability to actually write and spell properly at the interview) An application form which looks like a demented spider has crawled through ink then across the form just won't do! Flying is a precise science and a prospective employer is easily going to be persuaded to look at another's application if yours isn't precisely set out. I have personally discarded application forms submitted to me purely on the basis that they are too difficult to read!
Presentation: Clear verbal communication. The people doing the selections will probably be life experienced people like B Eagle who cringe at “Yeh Right" and "Cool" interjections (fraud I'm in that category too). The selectors will undoubtedly looking for somebody who fills the image that the company wants to promote to its customers.
Presentation: Smart clothing, it’s not a fashion parade, forget the hair gel and tinted glasses.
Now back to qualifications, in my view "suitable" qualifications are very important but after that I'm really not sure that extra qualifications are either a particular advantage or disadvantage. Certainly I've heard some candidates claim that they were "over qualified" for the job as a face saving exercise having failed to secure the job against less qualified competition
I don't think handwriting is a fair skill to be assessed.
Whereas many people over 30 may have neat clear handwriting and will have been taught it; many under 30 will not. Simply they have completed the bulk of their studies using keyboards for the written word.
Their typing skills are likely to be far superior to the older codgers and as nearly all prose is now typed in the workplace; this is the more important skill.
Additonally - girls have neat handwriting and they can't reverse park...
Cheers
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Whereas many people over 30 may have neat clear handwriting and will have been taught it; many under 30 will not. Simply they have completed the bulk of their studies using keyboards for the written word.
Their typing skills are likely to be far superior to the older codgers and as nearly all prose is now typed in the workplace; this is the more important skill.
Additonally - girls have neat handwriting and they can't reverse park...
Cheers
WWW
WWW - if you have to write up a tech snag, it's helpful to the maintenance androids if they can actually read the entry!
...and girls can't reverse park because ever since they were teenagers, men have been giving them inconsistent dimensional assessment guidance; e.g. "That is 7 inches" whereas in reality it's probably closer to 4.
I mean, of course, the gap between the tyres and the kerb...
...and girls can't reverse park because ever since they were teenagers, men have been giving them inconsistent dimensional assessment guidance; e.g. "That is 7 inches" whereas in reality it's probably closer to 4.
I mean, of course, the gap between the tyres and the kerb...
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How would qualifications gained later in life(night school)be looked on by recruitment boards.I am working my way through gcse`s in college,would this increase my chances?
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Not sure many B737's need reverse parking by the FO these days but I know what ya mean....... 
As for the advice given by Sensible:
Pretty good to my eyes, if a little textbook. The information in my possession suggests that some part of your background that sticks out from the crowd would be a good thing at interview. Whether or not application form sifters have the nowse to distinguish this in the written application form is a matter of some conjecture. Times are however changing and BEagles day is drawing to a close and WWW's is breaking cloud.....
If you can demonstrate a propensity for being somehow inventive (lets not go silly and get our band demo's out from school!) and show you are financially astute with evidence of having commercial financial responsibility in your past you're begining to tick the more important boxes than correct grammar although correct grammar and speeling is definately important in the early stages.
VFE.
[Edited to insert intentional grammatical errors to divert attention away from the more important content]
As for the advice given by Sensible:
Pretty good to my eyes, if a little textbook. The information in my possession suggests that some part of your background that sticks out from the crowd would be a good thing at interview. Whether or not application form sifters have the nowse to distinguish this in the written application form is a matter of some conjecture. Times are however changing and BEagles day is drawing to a close and WWW's is breaking cloud.....
If you can demonstrate a propensity for being somehow inventive (lets not go silly and get our band demo's out from school!) and show you are financially astute with evidence of having commercial financial responsibility in your past you're begining to tick the more important boxes than correct grammar although correct grammar and speeling is definately important in the early stages.
VFE.
[Edited to insert intentional grammatical errors to divert attention away from the more important content]
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This is a multimedia notice board for people to post questions and answers! It is not a spelling or grammar test! Did everyone get a dictionary for christmas this year or something?
How many times does everyone check their spelling when typing a question, not very many. Although i do understand that spelling and grammar would mean something when applying to a company but this is supposed to be quite a relaxed afair.
Posting a question or replying on a web site forum however does not necessarily determine how they write in real life.
Some people need to get a life and get out more i think!
How many times does everyone check their spelling when typing a question, not very many. Although i do understand that spelling and grammar would mean something when applying to a company but this is supposed to be quite a relaxed afair.
Posting a question or replying on a web site forum however does not necessarily determine how they write in real life.
Some people need to get a life and get out more i think!
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airline selection and qualifications
hello every one,
at the moment im studying my atpl subjects at TAFE like collage in Perth Western Australia, and i want to go to university, just asking if any body could give me some advice on what sort of degrees i could do that would be good for professional airline entry and careers. thanks guys
at the moment im studying my atpl subjects at TAFE like collage in Perth Western Australia, and i want to go to university, just asking if any body could give me some advice on what sort of degrees i could do that would be good for professional airline entry and careers. thanks guys
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hello, just wondering about the qualifications needed in the way of degrees for airline careers thanks if anyone has any helpful information that would be great
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Hi there Croce,
In my experience, whether you have a University degree, or not, it does not seem currently to be a pre-requisite for an airline career with Australian or Asian carriers. I can't speak for European or American ones.
I spent three years gaining a Bachelor of Science in Aviation, and then a further 1.5 years gaining a Masters degree in Finance. I have found that although these are taken into consideration when looking for work as a pilot they are in no way guarantees of a job over someone who has chosen not to pursue a University degree.
From a purely non-aviation focus, a great time can be had at University and it is a good place to meet like-minded people, as well as the positive social aspects.
I don't know your age, but if you have time in your favour, a University degree can look good on your resume, and may provide a useful back-up when times are rough in the aviation industry.
Cheers
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In my experience, whether you have a University degree, or not, it does not seem currently to be a pre-requisite for an airline career with Australian or Asian carriers. I can't speak for European or American ones.
I spent three years gaining a Bachelor of Science in Aviation, and then a further 1.5 years gaining a Masters degree in Finance. I have found that although these are taken into consideration when looking for work as a pilot they are in no way guarantees of a job over someone who has chosen not to pursue a University degree.
From a purely non-aviation focus, a great time can be had at University and it is a good place to meet like-minded people, as well as the positive social aspects.
I don't know your age, but if you have time in your favour, a University degree can look good on your resume, and may provide a useful back-up when times are rough in the aviation industry.
Cheers
Curvature
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getting a degree is always wise. I have a degree (quite a good one, from a leading Uni), but I do not expect this to do much for me in the way of landing an airline job.
Maybe, if I do ever get to work for an airline, hopefully, as far as promotions go, if you take two equally experienced pilots, one with, and one without a degree, maybe the pilot with a degree will have a better chance.
I personally did a degree, as I would like to think that if the worse should happen, an I lose my medical/job, then I have more career options other than flipping burgers, or selling duvet covers in ikea!!
But everyone is different. The descision of whether or not to go to university is one which takes a lot of thinking and planning. If you have to pay for fees, and are living away from home, think about that too. This money could be spent on your flying licences.
I for one ,got free tuition and stayed athome, so I actually saved my student loan, which is paying for my basic trtaining this summer.
Maybe, if I do ever get to work for an airline, hopefully, as far as promotions go, if you take two equally experienced pilots, one with, and one without a degree, maybe the pilot with a degree will have a better chance.
I personally did a degree, as I would like to think that if the worse should happen, an I lose my medical/job, then I have more career options other than flipping burgers, or selling duvet covers in ikea!!
But everyone is different. The descision of whether or not to go to university is one which takes a lot of thinking and planning. If you have to pay for fees, and are living away from home, think about that too. This money could be spent on your flying licences.
I for one ,got free tuition and stayed athome, so I actually saved my student loan, which is paying for my basic trtaining this summer.
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ikea be careful answering queries from parts of the world you're not intimately familiar with. I'm sure your advice is quite correct for a UK-based wannabe, but our friend croce is in Australia. Even after several years handing out advice here, I do not feel qualified to offer advice on something as specific as education to someone so far from my own experience. While your observations may be of interest to croce, do you know what Australian or Asian airlines require? Let those who know the Australian system answer the question.
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