View Poll Results: Type rating?
Bought Type rating - got the job
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Bought Type rating - told "need time on type"
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You were told buy the type and get the job - but did not get a job offer anyway
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Type Rating - which type, where, why pay etc?
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JAR-FCL 1.250 - Type Rating, Multi Pilot - Conditions
(a) Pre-requisite for training: An applicant for the first type rating for a multi-pilot aeroplane type shall:
(1) have at least 100 hours as PIC of aeroplanes;
(2) have a valid multi-engine instrument rating (A).
(b) Training for additional multi-pilot type ratings require a valid multi-engine instrument rating.
From this it would appear you need the IR, but not the MEP Class rating.
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(a) Pre-requisite for training: An applicant for the first type rating for a multi-pilot aeroplane type shall:
(1) have at least 100 hours as PIC of aeroplanes;
(2) have a valid multi-engine instrument rating (A).
(b) Training for additional multi-pilot type ratings require a valid multi-engine instrument rating.
From this it would appear you need the IR, but not the MEP Class rating.
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Not correct: under JAR they are separate things. It just means you cannot exercise the IR privileges in a twin, but if your SEP class rating is valid then you can exercise IR privileges on the single.
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Um hang on a mo....they may well be separate things...and always have been.
However, you cannot be pilot in command of a type that you do not have a class/type rating for...therefore unless you qualify for the MEP class rating you will be unable to take the flight test or renew the instrument rating. Even if the MEP isnt issued you must still have passed a skills test...
At least AFAIK this is the case...hence all OATS students etc will have valid MEP class ratings (deemed by having passed a ME skills test) *before* their IRT.
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However, you cannot be pilot in command of a type that you do not have a class/type rating for...therefore unless you qualify for the MEP class rating you will be unable to take the flight test or renew the instrument rating. Even if the MEP isnt issued you must still have passed a skills test...
At least AFAIK this is the case...hence all OATS students etc will have valid MEP class ratings (deemed by having passed a ME skills test) *before* their IRT.
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Thanks for these replies. I think a few points are raised. While clearly to take an initial IR one needs the MEP class rating. However, if a renewal were done in a simulator, would the class rating still be needed as the "flight" is not actually done in an aircraft?
While this would obviously mean that the full privileges of the licence (i.e. to fly an MEP in IFR) could not be exercised, it would appear that the requirement to hold a Multi-IR in order to undertake a type -rating would be fulfilled.
Whilst having the MEP rating would be preferable, the chances of getting a Seneca type job with my low hours is non-existant, so I would like to be able to renew the IR using the cheap simulator option whilst retaining all the qualifications necessary to start a type-rating course if any jobs do appear.
While this would obviously mean that the full privileges of the licence (i.e. to fly an MEP in IFR) could not be exercised, it would appear that the requirement to hold a Multi-IR in order to undertake a type -rating would be fulfilled.
Whilst having the MEP rating would be preferable, the chances of getting a Seneca type job with my low hours is non-existant, so I would like to be able to renew the IR using the cheap simulator option whilst retaining all the qualifications necessary to start a type-rating course if any jobs do appear.
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why do some pilots pay for their type ratings?
Is there a huge risk if a pilot goes out after training and buys a 757 type rating and fails to find a job in a 757?
Do many people do them themselves and get jobs after a while?
Do many people do them themselves and get jobs after a while?
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Think most people who self-sponsored type ratings tend to so for turboprops rather than 757's et al.
Having said that, there's nothing stopping you going out and getting a B747 type rating on your PPL, not that it would be any use at all.
Having said that, there's nothing stopping you going out and getting a B747 type rating on your PPL, not that it would be any use at all.
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i guess many people (those who have lots of cash) go out and get type ratings just to show a potential employer that they are capable of obtaining ratings. Because a employer would hate nothing more than a new hired guy who can't pass the type rating check ride.
just my opinion though
just my opinion though
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Buying a type rating is generally a bad idea. In some cases, such as Southwest airlines, they required a 737 type rating (that may have changed), but that was for seasoned, qualified pilots to begin with.
In the U.S., at least, having a type in an airliner does not relieve your employer of the onus of sending you to school anyway. The pilot has to complete an approved training course. This can get complicated, but at the root of it, a mere type rating gets you...nowhere, at least from what I know.
I've seen plenty of guys get types, mostly in 737's, to try to "demonstrate" to employers that they "can fly the aircraft." For whatever reason, the employers don't seem to care.
The conventional wisdom is that a type without experience in that type is essentially worthless. As cynical as it is, I have to agree with it. If you're going to claw your way up in aviation, better to keep your cash safely in hand, 'cuz you'll need it for food!
In the U.S., at least, having a type in an airliner does not relieve your employer of the onus of sending you to school anyway. The pilot has to complete an approved training course. This can get complicated, but at the root of it, a mere type rating gets you...nowhere, at least from what I know.
I've seen plenty of guys get types, mostly in 737's, to try to "demonstrate" to employers that they "can fly the aircraft." For whatever reason, the employers don't seem to care.
The conventional wisdom is that a type without experience in that type is essentially worthless. As cynical as it is, I have to agree with it. If you're going to claw your way up in aviation, better to keep your cash safely in hand, 'cuz you'll need it for food!
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Because they can?
I don't mean to be facetious, it's one of those things that IMHO you should do only if spending that much money on something that might turn out worthless does not bother you. It's a very high risk strategy (but it has worked for a few).
I don't mean to be facetious, it's one of those things that IMHO you should do only if spending that much money on something that might turn out worthless does not bother you. It's a very high risk strategy (but it has worked for a few).
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some employers trie to make you "buy" your own type rating.
if they dont find anybody with a type rating, tjey will pay you it.
when an airline run a B737, believe me, they can offer you the type rating.
So, STOP to pay for your type rating and it shows you have money and you can work for free too!
bye the way, I offer 500h on B767 for 50'000$.Must have JAA or FAA ATPL frozen and type rating!
if they dont find anybody with a type rating, tjey will pay you it.
when an airline run a B737, believe me, they can offer you the type rating.
So, STOP to pay for your type rating and it shows you have money and you can work for free too!
bye the way, I offer 500h on B767 for 50'000$.Must have JAA or FAA ATPL frozen and type rating!
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Gorky - I have 300 hrs and have just recently got a 767 rating and I am interested in buying 500 hrs on type. Is this offer only available in the US ?? If so can you set up the visas etc ??
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Professor Fog,
You obviously have a lot more money than sense!
Its bad enough paying in some cases up to £60K for a fATPL, in order to get a job.
This way of training and with no structured route into a definite job on graduation is ludicrous, and anyone from any other business looking at us would think we are all mad.
Well maybe we are, but paying for a type rating too, is just taking it too far! At that stage and probably before, this industry has made a complete fool of you and and us all!
You obviously have a lot more money than sense!
Its bad enough paying in some cases up to £60K for a fATPL, in order to get a job.
This way of training and with no structured route into a definite job on graduation is ludicrous, and anyone from any other business looking at us would think we are all mad.
Well maybe we are, but paying for a type rating too, is just taking it too far! At that stage and probably before, this industry has made a complete fool of you and and us all!
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Shed type rating or AQC at CTC
Morning all
A question to any recruiting personell or anyone who has gone down this route.
Have at the moment a fATPL with an FI(R) just added and have bieng offered some part time instructing, but this will not pay the bills.
Late Sept early Oct it looks likley that I will be made redundant from my non flying job so will have a small payoff plus golden handshake if lucky.
Question is, do I get myself a shed type rating or similar or get myself down to Dibden and do the Airline Qualification Course in the hope of making myself employable, only 300 hrs TT at present.
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Flying F
A question to any recruiting personell or anyone who has gone down this route.
Have at the moment a fATPL with an FI(R) just added and have bieng offered some part time instructing, but this will not pay the bills.
Late Sept early Oct it looks likley that I will be made redundant from my non flying job so will have a small payoff plus golden handshake if lucky.
Question is, do I get myself a shed type rating or similar or get myself down to Dibden and do the Airline Qualification Course in the hope of making myself employable, only 300 hrs TT at present.
Regards
Flying F
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I'm thinking along the same lines myself, especially considering that the Shed rating can be done at Southend so I have no accommodation costs.
Both are a gamble really, although you can go through the first two stages of the CTC selection if you're under 34 (or whatever the limit is) without paying a penny - the AQC forms the third stage of selection.
At the moment I'm leanign toward the shed rating, but I change my mind often (plus its two grand more expensive)
cheers!
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I'm thinking along the same lines myself, especially considering that the Shed rating can be done at Southend so I have no accommodation costs.
Both are a gamble really, although you can go through the first two stages of the CTC selection if you're under 34 (or whatever the limit is) without paying a penny - the AQC forms the third stage of selection.
At the moment I'm leanign toward the shed rating, but I change my mind often (plus its two grand more expensive)
cheers!
foggy.