View Poll Results: Type rating?
Bought Type rating - got the job
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Bought Type rating - told "need time on type"
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16.67%
You were told buy the type and get the job - but did not get a job offer anyway
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16.67%
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Type Rating - which type, where, why pay etc?
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I also have had offers from streamline re s360 type rating for around £6000 but with no guaranntee of a job.
A lot of money for a type rating on an aging aircraft which is disapearing from uk fleets, it could be an expensive mistake.
A lot of money for a type rating on an aging aircraft which is disapearing from uk fleets, it could be an expensive mistake.
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For me paying for a type worked out perfectly. It was paid off after the first 2 weeks flying. This was a B727 training obtained in US and getting the training was precondition for being hired.
Anyways. Financially I cannot see why anyone in their right mind would put 13000 sterling into a type only to make 400 a month. Takes a while to pay that off.
As long as there are jobs around where you are given the traning try to go for something like that.
Time in type requirments are not always required, that is if you have sort of hours that would otherwise make you suitable. Say 1000 hours in a B727 and you get a B737 type. Well some would say that you are quite qualified to be hired even without time in type.
Anyways. Financially I cannot see why anyone in their right mind would put 13000 sterling into a type only to make 400 a month. Takes a while to pay that off.
As long as there are jobs around where you are given the traning try to go for something like that.
Time in type requirments are not always required, that is if you have sort of hours that would otherwise make you suitable. Say 1000 hours in a B727 and you get a B737 type. Well some would say that you are quite qualified to be hired even without time in type.
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A type rating is useless (and risky business) if you don't have experience on type.
OK, I agree with that... But then how do you log time on type BEFORE the type rating ?
OK, I agree with that... But then how do you log time on type BEFORE the type rating ?
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With FAA only P1 qualified has a type rating on licence instead you complete a SIC program and get your training records and all that pretty paperwork to show compliance. But will not have a type on your licence unless you have completed a PIC proficiency check and approved training program.
That is how I got time in type before I had the type on my ATP licence.
FAA is in many aspects than one very easy licence to keep current amongs others and all the types will be on your piece of paper, regardless if you are current on it or not.
That is how I got time in type before I had the type on my ATP licence.
FAA is in many aspects than one very easy licence to keep current amongs others and all the types will be on your piece of paper, regardless if you are current on it or not.
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There seems to be a bit of bad rep' about the sd360/330 type ratings from what is obviously Streamline, as they are the only guys doing this type rating in the UK.
I work for the company, yes they charge 7 grand, but that is due to the lovely CAA, it used to be 4 grand a couple of years ago. 3 hours flying to aound 7-8 hours nowadays. That explains the cost.
Of course you're not guaranteed a job, THANK GOD, that would mean every muppet who came along with the money would have a job. It is done on performance on the initial base check and your experience, but we have taken on people with 200 hours. And if you don't get in with us, you are highly likely to get in with some one else who flies sheds eg: BAC and LoganAir. Didn't Emerald advertise for Shed pilots in Flight International recently?
Sounds like I'm trying to sell the course, but no, you need to decide whether you are going to fork out for a more expensive rating eg 737 etc, go instructing, or hang around hoping for the successful interview.
I've certainly enjoyed the past couple of years flying the shed doing 700 hours/year. Coming up to command soon.
Anyone out there done the shed rating in the past 4 months still without a job??
later
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There seems to be a bit of bad rep' about the sd360/330 type ratings from what is obviously Streamline, as they are the only guys doing this type rating in the UK.
I work for the company, yes they charge 7 grand, but that is due to the lovely CAA, it used to be 4 grand a couple of years ago. 3 hours flying to aound 7-8 hours nowadays. That explains the cost.
Of course you're not guaranteed a job, THANK GOD, that would mean every muppet who came along with the money would have a job. It is done on performance on the initial base check and your experience, but we have taken on people with 200 hours. And if you don't get in with us, you are highly likely to get in with some one else who flies sheds eg: BAC and LoganAir. Didn't Emerald advertise for Shed pilots in Flight International recently?
Sounds like I'm trying to sell the course, but no, you need to decide whether you are going to fork out for a more expensive rating eg 737 etc, go instructing, or hang around hoping for the successful interview.
I've certainly enjoyed the past couple of years flying the shed doing 700 hours/year. Coming up to command soon.
Anyone out there done the shed rating in the past 4 months still without a job??
later
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GECAT self sponsored type rating
...got the blue book, might win the lottery on saturday, and then.....type rating on a 737, thank you very much. What are the experts going to say...? 
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A good mate of mine did his rating with streamline about 2-3 months ago, yesterday he got a job with them. Personally I'm about to go and do the course, after having instucted for the past 9 months I'm fed up waiting for something to happen. So at least this is a step in the right direction even if it is an expensive one.
Magenta,
There is absolutely no difference between a 330 and 360 rating, they are one and the same. Even if you do all your type rating on the sd-330, you will have sd-330/sd-360 stamped in your licence.
I have no idea why BAC are 3 grand more expensive, I didn't even know they were a TRTO for the shed. Perhaps they want to make a bit of money out of you wannabees?
By the way in my previous posting no offence was intended to Muppet who posted before me!!
Homer Simpson:
'Is the company in question based in the South of England offering course on the Shorts360, without a job. However, they keep on bombarding your with phone calls and letters about their training courses?
If so, I got the same treatment. Im not interested in self sponsoring for a type rating especially if there is no job at the end of it, even if the company is rather STREAMLINED'
What a load of rubbish, there is no-one in Streamline who would 'bombard' you with letters and phone calls to do their training course, quite simply because there is no-one with enough time on their hands.
smellster
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There is absolutely no difference between a 330 and 360 rating, they are one and the same. Even if you do all your type rating on the sd-330, you will have sd-330/sd-360 stamped in your licence.
I have no idea why BAC are 3 grand more expensive, I didn't even know they were a TRTO for the shed. Perhaps they want to make a bit of money out of you wannabees?
By the way in my previous posting no offence was intended to Muppet who posted before me!!
Homer Simpson:
'Is the company in question based in the South of England offering course on the Shorts360, without a job. However, they keep on bombarding your with phone calls and letters about their training courses?
If so, I got the same treatment. Im not interested in self sponsoring for a type rating especially if there is no job at the end of it, even if the company is rather STREAMLINED'
What a load of rubbish, there is no-one in Streamline who would 'bombard' you with letters and phone calls to do their training course, quite simply because there is no-one with enough time on their hands.
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TYPE RATING CONVERSION QUESTION
I am type rated on the 777 on my european licence. I was wondering what was required to get the type rating endorsed in my FAA ATP. Any suggestions?
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3000£ avaiable: FI or type rating?
Hi,
being at the end of my cpl/ir course I'm wondering what to do to try to (get a job or) at least keep current during this hard times. Here in italy with approx 3000£ I can choose between a vfr fi rating and then do few vfr fi hrs per month and if lucky some ifr safety pilot hrs just to keep current, or a c500 type rating and then try to beg a coupple of hours per month in some air taxi operations both with peanuts pay or without at all. A type rating would also be usefull because almost all airlines here require you to have at least one type rating (whatever the a/c) to hire you.
any advice?
thanx
[ 30 September 2001: Message edited by: pinguino ]
being at the end of my cpl/ir course I'm wondering what to do to try to (get a job or) at least keep current during this hard times. Here in italy with approx 3000£ I can choose between a vfr fi rating and then do few vfr fi hrs per month and if lucky some ifr safety pilot hrs just to keep current, or a c500 type rating and then try to beg a coupple of hours per month in some air taxi operations both with peanuts pay or without at all. A type rating would also be usefull because almost all airlines here require you to have at least one type rating (whatever the a/c) to hire you.
any advice?
thanx
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A tough decision indeed. Don't know the score in Italy but for what it's worth.....
If you think long term, an FI rating will accomplish at least two things - It'll teach you how to fly and it'll stop you being scared and making an unecessary fuss when flying bigger & better(?) things.
I know what I'd do, a type rating without line training or experience ain't worth jack.
Best of luck!!
If you think long term, an FI rating will accomplish at least two things - It'll teach you how to fly and it'll stop you being scared and making an unecessary fuss when flying bigger & better(?) things.
I know what I'd do, a type rating without line training or experience ain't worth jack.
Best of luck!!
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I also know nothing of the situation in Italy, but a few hours on a small bizjet is not going to impress anybody anywhere else. If you've just qualified, you need hours.
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Dear Pinguino,
I'd be very careful about going for a C500 Type rating in Italy. The Air Taxi operators that "sell" this deal are only after your money, you won't learn anything.
I saw an ad in Flight about A320 ratings with a school in Paris, after the sim you go off to Germany for base and line training. Once you've done the rating you could probably get a job with Volare and you won't be bonded by them. Next step would be clock up to 1500 hrs, get your ATPL and then head off to a carrier that pays better as £1.8m lira per month is a poor salary for an FO on a A320.
If you don't have the kind of money for the A320 how about doing some sim time at Oxford Air Training School. That would be good value for money, then hope someone like Alpi Eagles or Neus come along and pay for your Type rating.
Good Luck!
I'd be very careful about going for a C500 Type rating in Italy. The Air Taxi operators that "sell" this deal are only after your money, you won't learn anything.
I saw an ad in Flight about A320 ratings with a school in Paris, after the sim you go off to Germany for base and line training. Once you've done the rating you could probably get a job with Volare and you won't be bonded by them. Next step would be clock up to 1500 hrs, get your ATPL and then head off to a carrier that pays better as £1.8m lira per month is a poor salary for an FO on a A320.
If you don't have the kind of money for the A320 how about doing some sim time at Oxford Air Training School. That would be good value for money, then hope someone like Alpi Eagles or Neus come along and pay for your Type rating.
Good Luck!
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thank you every one for the usefull answers!
mutt
yes here you can do an italianc500 t/r for about 15million lira and it usually consists in some ground school and 3 hours of traffic pattern so...
Obi Wan Kirk
...are you sure volare is willing to take me with approx 300hrsTT only because I'm t/r?
if not what to do next? with 70m I can live for a year without job if I use that for t/r and then get no job what?
mutt
yes here you can do an italianc500 t/r for about 15million lira and it usually consists in some ground school and 3 hours of traffic pattern so...
Obi Wan Kirk
...are you sure volare is willing to take me with approx 300hrsTT only because I'm t/r?
if not what to do next? with 70m I can live for a year without job if I use that for t/r and then get no job what?
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