CPL Cross-Country Qualifying Flight
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Here's a scenario, say you take off and fly directly south to an airport 75nm away and land. Then you take off and fly 150nm north to an airport overflying your original field in the process. Finally you take off and fly 75nm south again and land at your home field. Would this count as a CPL XCQ? You will fly 300nm in direct routes but will only ever be 75nm max away from your field?
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Keygrip:
Regarding the Training Document number - it isn't on the CAA website for some reason and it didn't even come in on the normal training doc style.
However, when this was discused approximately 7-8 months ago, Linda Mollison - from PAT and a few other schools in the UK all confirmed the existance of such a document.
It often seems that schools over seas are left out of the loop regarding such information. Another prime example is the use of Auto-pilot in the IR, I know from first hand experience that some schools use the standards doc as the reference, but in reality it is slightly different - but no one told us!
It was certainly up on the notice boards at all the schools in Bournemouth I visited but that was over 6 months ago.
Regarding the Training Document number - it isn't on the CAA website for some reason and it didn't even come in on the normal training doc style.
However, when this was discused approximately 7-8 months ago, Linda Mollison - from PAT and a few other schools in the UK all confirmed the existance of such a document.
It often seems that schools over seas are left out of the loop regarding such information. Another prime example is the use of Auto-pilot in the IR, I know from first hand experience that some schools use the standards doc as the reference, but in reality it is slightly different - but no one told us!
It was certainly up on the notice boards at all the schools in Bournemouth I visited but that was over 6 months ago.
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From: In t'sky
I've just done my CPL cross country, in fact looking at my logbook now according to the myriad of definations of days and such it would appear i've done a 1,400nm cross country as well!
Go and do something fun - I went from Barton to Benbecula in Scotland, then back via Cumbernauld for fuel. Thoroughly enjoyable, and about 600 odd miles so it'll count for FAA as well. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me to pick a fight with the CAA, when you can do it within one day anyway.
Horgy
Go and do something fun - I went from Barton to Benbecula in Scotland, then back via Cumbernauld for fuel. Thoroughly enjoyable, and about 600 odd miles so it'll count for FAA as well. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me to pick a fight with the CAA, when you can do it within one day anyway.
Horgy
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Big Grecian,
I have never seen anything in writing from the CAA. I was told by my contact at the CAA on the telephone that it had to be done in 24 hours unless there was some valid reason, e.g. aircraft tech problems, which delayed you en-route. He also told me that this was a change to the previous rule.
However, this was me telephoning him for clarification, not him notifying me of a change.
Without being too rude about the CAA (why not!) they are notoriously bad about notifying schools about any changes.
But don't get me started on that one ........
Linda Mollison
I have never seen anything in writing from the CAA. I was told by my contact at the CAA on the telephone that it had to be done in 24 hours unless there was some valid reason, e.g. aircraft tech problems, which delayed you en-route. He also told me that this was a change to the previous rule.
However, this was me telephoning him for clarification, not him notifying me of a change.
Without being too rude about the CAA (why not!) they are notoriously bad about notifying schools about any changes.
But don't get me started on that one ........
Linda Mollison
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From: Manchester
Defining cross country time
Can anyone define 'cross country' time requirements for starting the UK CPL course? As I understand the US system, you must depart one airfield, fly to and land at another that is at least 50nm away.
Is it the same for the UK CAA?
Thanks
Is it the same for the UK CAA?
Thanks
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From: UK
Birky,
You should find it in Lasors. If I remember correctly though, theres actually quite a long thread on this already. Try a search and you should find it. From memory, its something like 'a flight which is carried out from a point of departure to point of arrival using navigation techniques'. The point of arival and departure can effectively be one in the same, as long as you head from the circuit area and do some flying then you should be ok.
You should find it in Lasors. If I remember correctly though, theres actually quite a long thread on this already. Try a search and you should find it. From memory, its something like 'a flight which is carried out from a point of departure to point of arrival using navigation techniques'. The point of arival and departure can effectively be one in the same, as long as you head from the circuit area and do some flying then you should be ok.
Why do it if it's not fun?
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From: Bournemouth
The reference you need is LASORS, Section A, Appendix F, Part B. Download LASORS from http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/LASORS_07.pdf and scroll to page 87, where it says:
Since Appendix F of Section A is simply lifted from Schedule 8 of the ANO, I assume you could find the same text there (which would make it legally enforcable), but I haven't looked.
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'Cross-country flight' means any flight during the course of which the aircraft is more than 3 nautical miles from the aerodrome of departure.
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define 'cross country' time requirements for starting the UK CPL course
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The 300nm cross-country flight
In Lasors it says that the flying experience required for CPL issue includes:
"...a cross-country flight totalling at least 540 km (300 nm) in the course of which full-stop landings at two aerodromes different from the aerodromes of departure shall be made."
I take it from the above wording that the cross-country flight does not need to end back at the aerodrome of departure.
Just wondering whether my 330nm flight from Stapleford to Prestwick with a fuel-stop at Gamston (and the return 5 days later) would count?
"...a cross-country flight totalling at least 540 km (300 nm) in the course of which full-stop landings at two aerodromes different from the aerodromes of departure shall be made."
I take it from the above wording that the cross-country flight does not need to end back at the aerodrome of departure.
Just wondering whether my 330nm flight from Stapleford to Prestwick with a fuel-stop at Gamston (and the return 5 days later) would count?
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The 300nm cross country must be one "flight" with two land aways from the destination aerodrome, done in one day. In other words, as I understand it, you can take off from your home base (say Elstree) fly 300nm as the crow flies (say via Manston, stop Le Touquet, stop Dinard) and that would count. You could return the next day, but the 300 qualifier would be the outbound leg. You can't do 150nm on day one and 150nm on day two.
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Thread creep, canyou stop at more than 2 aerodromes?
Also do the combined distances of the aeodromes on the route followed have to be > 300nm? A friend of mine said you can fly over a point, not on track to you next aerodrome, then on to the aerodrome. The total distances travelled is > 300nm with the dogleg/diversion but direct track between the aerodromes is <300nm, I disagree but my friend says it is ok.
Also do the combined distances of the aeodromes on the route followed have to be > 300nm? A friend of mine said you can fly over a point, not on track to you next aerodrome, then on to the aerodrome. The total distances travelled is > 300nm with the dogleg/diversion but direct track between the aerodromes is <300nm, I disagree but my friend says it is ok.
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Thanks people. 
Actually, come to think of it, we did the return journey non-stop - even without the C182's long-range tanks we would have made it easily.
I will certainly be doing many more long journeys as part of my hour-building, especially as I'm going to South Africa to do a 30 hour (of flying)tour of the country with my Dad. Can't wait for that!!
Actually, come to think of it, we did the return journey non-stop - even without the C182's long-range tanks we would have made it easily.
I will certainly be doing many more long journeys as part of my hour-building, especially as I'm going to South Africa to do a 30 hour (of flying)tour of the country with my Dad. Can't wait for that!!
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However with such an ambitious flight so soon after gaining your wings, I'm sure you'll log plenty more 'epic' journeys by the time you submit your application for CPL, so choosing which flight to nominate would pose the bigger problem!
