Oxford Air Training
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From: LLLL
OAT
I am currently doing my AUS CPL in Queensland, but will be off to OAT to do the ATPL exams later in the year. I will then have to make up my mind where to do the JAA CPL conversion and ME IR.
I'm just curious, on the OAT website it says 180 of its students were employed with airlines last year. How many is this out of ? if its 180 of 5000 it doesn't really mean much does it ?
any one have any ideas?
thanks
I'm just curious, on the OAT website it says 180 of its students were employed with airlines last year. How many is this out of ? if its 180 of 5000 it doesn't really mean much does it ?
any one have any ideas?
thanks
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From: England
Hi,
I made a mistake of my previous posting, infact the HSBC interest rate is 2% above the base rate not 2.5%, which i think is quite a big difference on £50k.
Reguarding oxford student intake, if they start a course once a month and a maximum of 25students pers course, that means they have 300 (25*12) students.
But some courses have much less, so i reckon its quite a high percentage.
well over 50% anyhoo's
reguards
I made a mistake of my previous posting, infact the HSBC interest rate is 2% above the base rate not 2.5%, which i think is quite a big difference on £50k.
Reguarding oxford student intake, if they start a course once a month and a maximum of 25students pers course, that means they have 300 (25*12) students.
But some courses have much less, so i reckon its quite a high percentage.
well over 50% anyhoo'sreguards
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From: Ask Crewing
Bishop99 is correct, the interest rate on the HSBC loan is 2% above the base rate.
Reverand Lovejoy - regarding the finance. It is not guaranteed, however assuming that you have the necessary security, and present the bank with a sound buisness plan, you should find no problems in securing finance. To my knowledge, very few people are refused the loan (assuming they meet the requirements).
As for the other £10k, I'm afraid that must come from personal funds. Also bear in mind that the cost of the OAT APP-FO doesn't include accomodation (in the UK) or food, so you would obviously have to budget for that too.
Hope this helps,
Alan
P.S.
I would advise checking out the OAT forums (they are back online now) as there is a lot of information there.
Reverand Lovejoy - regarding the finance. It is not guaranteed, however assuming that you have the necessary security, and present the bank with a sound buisness plan, you should find no problems in securing finance. To my knowledge, very few people are refused the loan (assuming they meet the requirements).
As for the other £10k, I'm afraid that must come from personal funds. Also bear in mind that the cost of the OAT APP-FO doesn't include accomodation (in the UK) or food, so you would obviously have to budget for that too.
Hope this helps,
Alan
P.S.
I would advise checking out the OAT forums (they are back online now) as there is a lot of information there.
Last edited by asuweb; 10th April 2006 at 18:47.
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From: scotland
My View on flying schools
If you are going to pay £63,000 for Oxford, do you think they would still be in business if they were NOT very good.
You pay peanuts, you get monkeys!
I got a very good vibe from looking round Oxford, all staff and students were very nice, and were truthful in pointing out that you are not guaranteed a job, but from looking at the amount of graduates going on to airlines, there prospects look good if you are determined to do well and can get high grades. I would love to go to Oxford, if I manage to get a place.
With regards to how many students the 180 is out of, I would be interested to know a confirmed figure. 180/300 is about 60% so sounds quite reasonable. I do however have friends/contacts that have gone through Oxford and have found jobs within 6 months. Getting top grades seems to be vital.
With regards to the other schools, I don't really know. One thing I do know however is that people that post on this website and slander the names of good flying schools should really consider if they do want to become a pilot, whether they have the personality to fit in to the aviation industry. Regardless of your opinion, all schools provide cadets to airlines, and future pilots will be working with people from all the different schools. If you cannot say anything productive and communicate in such aggressive manners, I would not like to work/fly with you.
Perhaps those that cannot say anything good about other flying schools should post comments on why their preffered school is so good, instead of talking about other schools. This would be more of more interest to me. It is neccessary to compare flight schools, to give an informed decision, However I advise that users of this site only take onboard opinions on cadets/students that have gone through that particular school, otherwise the rest is hear say.
Comments to the contrary of my view, to me, will simply be ignored.
The best of luck to all students at CTC, Jerez, Oxford, Cabair and any other flying schools with personalities!
I would also like to add that I have not looked at any other schools and am not looking as a reject from anywhere. I have an Aerospace engineering degree almost behind me, and am confident that I could meet, at least in terms of the academic criteria, any schools requirements.
You pay peanuts, you get monkeys!
I got a very good vibe from looking round Oxford, all staff and students were very nice, and were truthful in pointing out that you are not guaranteed a job, but from looking at the amount of graduates going on to airlines, there prospects look good if you are determined to do well and can get high grades. I would love to go to Oxford, if I manage to get a place.
With regards to how many students the 180 is out of, I would be interested to know a confirmed figure. 180/300 is about 60% so sounds quite reasonable. I do however have friends/contacts that have gone through Oxford and have found jobs within 6 months. Getting top grades seems to be vital.
With regards to the other schools, I don't really know. One thing I do know however is that people that post on this website and slander the names of good flying schools should really consider if they do want to become a pilot, whether they have the personality to fit in to the aviation industry. Regardless of your opinion, all schools provide cadets to airlines, and future pilots will be working with people from all the different schools. If you cannot say anything productive and communicate in such aggressive manners, I would not like to work/fly with you.
Perhaps those that cannot say anything good about other flying schools should post comments on why their preffered school is so good, instead of talking about other schools. This would be more of more interest to me. It is neccessary to compare flight schools, to give an informed decision, However I advise that users of this site only take onboard opinions on cadets/students that have gone through that particular school, otherwise the rest is hear say.
Comments to the contrary of my view, to me, will simply be ignored.
The best of luck to all students at CTC, Jerez, Oxford, Cabair and any other flying schools with personalities!
I would also like to add that I have not looked at any other schools and am not looking as a reject from anywhere. I have an Aerospace engineering degree almost behind me, and am confident that I could meet, at least in terms of the academic criteria, any schools requirements.
Last edited by captain p; 11th April 2006 at 16:14.
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From: Northumberland
I think it makes sense to only comment on a school if you have experience of it, but it can help people to hear the negatives awell. However, i do not agree to slandering the schools, mainly put it across as a point of view or experience. This can include people who have visited, but decided not to go there.
I beleive that these comments can be just as helpful as positive comments, provided they are under control.
I'm not disagreeing with the above post, i just thought i would add that to itt, if you don't mind
I beleive that these comments can be just as helpful as positive comments, provided they are under control.
I'm not disagreeing with the above post, i just thought i would add that to itt, if you don't mind
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From: LLLL
Thanks for the info on the number per year...
However I am still trying to find info on what the pilot assessment to gain entry to the course is like, anyone who has done the pilot profile assessment please let me know what it was like and what I should expect.
thanks
However I am still trying to find info on what the pilot assessment to gain entry to the course is like, anyone who has done the pilot profile assessment please let me know what it was like and what I should expect.
thanks
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From: Hill Street Blues
Just thought I would share this with you, I was at the Cranebank the other day, doing a recurrent sim session and happend to talk to a BA Capt and two new FO's. They were doing their LST. Both came from Oxford and got jobs with BA, BUT they are paying BA for their type ratings.
Just thought you might want to know.
FF
Just thought you might want to know.
FF
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From: South Coast
OAT APP Selection
Hi all,
I know this post has come up on numerous occasions. I ideally am looking for the best things to refresh for the Oxford APP selection. I have a huge list of recommended topics before starting APP ground school but i really dont know where to start on the maths and physics topics for selection.
Can anyone help me with a list?
Cheers
I know this post has come up on numerous occasions. I ideally am looking for the best things to refresh for the Oxford APP selection. I have a huge list of recommended topics before starting APP ground school but i really dont know where to start on the maths and physics topics for selection.
Can anyone help me with a list?
Cheers
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From: Surrey
You'll prob get a better response on the OAT forum. For maths just practice basic mental arithmetic. Long multi and division, Speed/Distance/Time stuff. you get a piece of paper but no calculator.
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From: UK
Oxford is !!!!
HI guys,
I just wanna warn you about Oxford. This school is only based on Propaganda, and that's all. They launched this year the waypoint program, for Modular studs. It's 60,000£. They don't give a !!!! about you, just focusing on their APPs integrated studs. I did my ATPL there, full time classroom. I passed all 14 exams, without any resit. But I studied alone. Didn't count on the teachers there. You will find also, racists and fascists teachers, that don't like "Bloody foreigners ,who don't know anything" (That's how they call us).
Concerning the feedback database, we only had them few days before the exam, while APPs had a printed summary of each subject with all the possible feedback questions, a month or two before the JARs. Initially, they'll tell U, that there's no difference between APPs and Mods, (Pete Pitcher's the DCGI, words). BULL!!!!, there is a huge difference.
So if you're considering doing the Modular route for your atpl, I wouldn't recommend OAT. I don't know about Cabair or AFT, aft seems very good.
Today, I fly for Aer Arann, I can tell U, I don't owe it to OAT.
I just wanna warn you about Oxford. This school is only based on Propaganda, and that's all. They launched this year the waypoint program, for Modular studs. It's 60,000£. They don't give a !!!! about you, just focusing on their APPs integrated studs. I did my ATPL there, full time classroom. I passed all 14 exams, without any resit. But I studied alone. Didn't count on the teachers there. You will find also, racists and fascists teachers, that don't like "Bloody foreigners ,who don't know anything" (That's how they call us).
Concerning the feedback database, we only had them few days before the exam, while APPs had a printed summary of each subject with all the possible feedback questions, a month or two before the JARs. Initially, they'll tell U, that there's no difference between APPs and Mods, (Pete Pitcher's the DCGI, words). BULL!!!!, there is a huge difference.
So if you're considering doing the Modular route for your atpl, I wouldn't recommend OAT. I don't know about Cabair or AFT, aft seems very good.
Today, I fly for Aer Arann, I can tell U, I don't owe it to OAT.
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From: A place where something is or could be located; a site.
OAT Waypoint
Just a quick one.
Ive decided to go modular and been researching where to do my flying training and groundschool.
Im currently doing my PPL at Barton and have been looking at Jerez for my Professional modules. However, according to rumour, they are stopping it indef.
So I looked at OAT. Problem is, you have to do your groundschool there in order to do the flying modules. Now, I have already decided to go to BGS after lots of recommendations.
Question:
Do I change plans and go to OAT just to keep the Waypoint option open?
From what I can gather, BGS are streets ahead of anyone else and my gut feeling tells me to go there.
Incidentally, seems a strange policy to me. The whole point of modular is flexibility and choice.
Any thoughts?
Ive decided to go modular and been researching where to do my flying training and groundschool.
Im currently doing my PPL at Barton and have been looking at Jerez for my Professional modules. However, according to rumour, they are stopping it indef.
So I looked at OAT. Problem is, you have to do your groundschool there in order to do the flying modules. Now, I have already decided to go to BGS after lots of recommendations.
Question:
Do I change plans and go to OAT just to keep the Waypoint option open?
From what I can gather, BGS are streets ahead of anyone else and my gut feeling tells me to go there.
Incidentally, seems a strange policy to me. The whole point of modular is flexibility and choice.
Any thoughts?
Flying Dutchman
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From: Middle East
Originally Posted by captwannabe
How much does accomodation at OAT cost for the duration of the integrated course?
Hope this helps
C-T
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From: Surrey
OAT are excellent at groundschool, I have recently finished my ATPLs and passed them all first time with a decent average. I'm sure BGS are exellent but I really don't think they can be that much better then OAT, if better at all. Waypoint is looking to be a very good program at a resonable price and a number of my friends are going to be going down this route.
Flying Dutchman
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From: Middle East
Originally Posted by Vee One...Rotate
Crikey, that's a bit steep. What's included?
V1R
V1R
They've got wireless internet.
The food is terrible and not included in the price.
That's about it...
But hey, you don't have a social life anyway during groundschool...
C-T
Jet Blast Rat
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From: Sarfend-on-Sea
That ain't "a bit steep" that's incredible! What do you get, a flat?
C-T, that isn't quite true. Social life is important! My advice to my students was always to have at least one night off every week, and preferably go out together. That however should rarely excede a couple of nights off in a week for most people, and does not mean behave like one class I was lucky never to teach at a certain long-demised FTO, who spent every night in For Your Eyes Only. Needless to say none covered themselves with glory, and at least one needed some assistance from me to pass (however he is now flying turboprops).
However completely shutting yourself away with the books is not the way to keep working effectively.
C-T, that isn't quite true. Social life is important! My advice to my students was always to have at least one night off every week, and preferably go out together. That however should rarely excede a couple of nights off in a week for most people, and does not mean behave like one class I was lucky never to teach at a certain long-demised FTO, who spent every night in For Your Eyes Only. Needless to say none covered themselves with glory, and at least one needed some assistance from me to pass (however he is now flying turboprops).
However completely shutting yourself away with the books is not the way to keep working effectively.