Training in Spain
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I completed integrated ATPL at Aeromadrid. Found it mostly professional. But definitely good outcome, first time passes in everything I did, fantastic instructor, and also a lot cheaper than all the schools in England, with the opportunity to learn spanish. Get a person who looks after you, which makes sure if any problems occur you have one point of contact.
Now considering going back to train as instructor, just trying to save some cash!!!!
Good luck with your decision
Jude
Now considering going back to train as instructor, just trying to save some cash!!!!
Good luck with your decision
Jude
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malaga accom.
Heathrow hawk
some questions about Malaga
I have looked at the websites www.surinenglish.com and www.andalucia.com www.malagaweb.com and have found some accom. for £300 a month is that about right? Aerodynamics have sorted me a car out for £250 (380 euros) for a month. Where is the best place to rent access to Airport R&R etc?
some questions about Malaga
I have looked at the websites www.surinenglish.com and www.andalucia.com www.malagaweb.com and have found some accom. for £300 a month is that about right? Aerodynamics have sorted me a car out for £250 (380 euros) for a month. Where is the best place to rent access to Airport R&R etc?
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Try these also www.spainatheart.co.uk
www.andalucia-villas.co.uk
You can walk from the station to GA in about 10 mins. Look up (Trains) www.renife.es. Benamadena o.ks. I went skiing in Sierra Nevada 1.5 hrs away Granada ask Carlos in the office hes a Ski Instructor. He'll get you a pass for £20, equipments another £10. If you like Golf, whore bars ANY THING YOU WANT. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY GET YOUR FIRST TIME PASS!!
www.andalucia-villas.co.uk
You can walk from the station to GA in about 10 mins. Look up (Trains) www.renife.es. Benamadena o.ks. I went skiing in Sierra Nevada 1.5 hrs away Granada ask Carlos in the office hes a Ski Instructor. He'll get you a pass for £20, equipments another £10. If you like Golf, whore bars ANY THING YOU WANT. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY GET YOUR FIRST TIME PASS!!
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Where cheapest for an MEIR? AEROFAN Spain? FAA to JAA?
Hi Folkes, Just hoping someone could throw some advice my way!
Where to for the cheapest MEIR?
Would your recommend FAA to JAA conversion route?
Has anyone any experience of AEROFAN?
Thankyou very much for any words of wisdom!
Lee.
Where to for the cheapest MEIR?
Would your recommend FAA to JAA conversion route?
Has anyone any experience of AEROFAN?
Thankyou very much for any words of wisdom!
Lee.
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Hi, did mine at Flightpass in UK and got a first time pass. They are small but excellent training with some ex- Cathay trainers at a reasonable price. Cheapest? Dunno, but I'm happy.
Look around I suggest to see what suits you.
Look around I suggest to see what suits you.
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aerodynamics-malaga
Hi Mate,
I know about 5 guys who converted there faa/icao licences at aerodynamics most did 15 hrs- 20 and it worked out about 5000-6000 euros in a BE 76 including test fees. CAA u.k issues the IR as its just a rating. Remember Aerofan have to fly 50 nm away to start IR training, Malaga is full IFR dep. arrival each flight so you get twice as much practice. Good Luck email [email protected] and some one will help you. Must be getting cold down under! I flew up in Innesfail near Cairns with old Bob Harris. Its £85 rtn from heathrow to Malaga. BA book on www.Opodo.co.uk
hope this helps
I know about 5 guys who converted there faa/icao licences at aerodynamics most did 15 hrs- 20 and it worked out about 5000-6000 euros in a BE 76 including test fees. CAA u.k issues the IR as its just a rating. Remember Aerofan have to fly 50 nm away to start IR training, Malaga is full IFR dep. arrival each flight so you get twice as much practice. Good Luck email [email protected] and some one will help you. Must be getting cold down under! I flew up in Innesfail near Cairns with old Bob Harris. Its £85 rtn from heathrow to Malaga. BA book on www.Opodo.co.uk
hope this helps
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Yup I've arrived here in Spain, lovely a few beers on the front tonight and I'll keep you informed of the IR ME aerodynamics course. 3 hrs booked in monday I also met Orvil and yes he can fly. under the glideslope, over the NDB, into the Dme arc, below minimums!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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JARs & UK CPL in Spain; definately maybe
Hi all,
as the holder of a UK PPL(and ATPL exams) like many of you, I have been examining for many months now the possibility of doing a UK CPL in Madrid.
The CAA inform me that they would only accept such an arrangement on the provision that written permission is obtained from the DGAC (Spanish CAA) in which they state that they would have no objections to this.
The DGAC, however, will not (as I understand) provide such a letter of approval so its a classic 'Catch 22' situation.
I heard rumour that there may soon be an annex amended to the JAR's which would provide for CPL training to be conducted in ANY JAA state regardless of the students original state of license issue (in much the same way as ratings can at present be obtained).
This then would presumedely allow the DGAC to approve UK students training in Spain for UK CPL's.
My question is simply : Does anybody know anything of such legislation?
Also, what do people think of simply doing a Spanish CPL?
many thanks,
Emerald flyer.
as the holder of a UK PPL(and ATPL exams) like many of you, I have been examining for many months now the possibility of doing a UK CPL in Madrid.
The CAA inform me that they would only accept such an arrangement on the provision that written permission is obtained from the DGAC (Spanish CAA) in which they state that they would have no objections to this.
The DGAC, however, will not (as I understand) provide such a letter of approval so its a classic 'Catch 22' situation.
I heard rumour that there may soon be an annex amended to the JAR's which would provide for CPL training to be conducted in ANY JAA state regardless of the students original state of license issue (in much the same way as ratings can at present be obtained).
This then would presumedely allow the DGAC to approve UK students training in Spain for UK CPL's.
My question is simply : Does anybody know anything of such legislation?
Also, what do people think of simply doing a Spanish CPL?
many thanks,
Emerald flyer.
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There must be some form of legislation in place to approve the course as Jerez offers this service. There are UK CAA examiners for the IRT and for the modular CPL guys. Perhaps it is just that Madrid doesn't want to put the work in?
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Training in Spain????
Does it really matter to potential employers whether your training was completed in the UK or another JAA state? I've heard so many conflicting theories on this that I'm not sure what to believe anymore. Surely a JAA Licence is a JAA Licence...
I've just got through the last of my ATPL exams and now want to complete the last part of the flight training as soon as possible. However it won't be long before the glorious English summer ends so going down to Spain is a very tempting option.
I've just got through the last of my ATPL exams and now want to complete the last part of the flight training as soon as possible. However it won't be long before the glorious English summer ends so going down to Spain is a very tempting option.
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yes.
I have been in your position and I got the impression that the British airlines do prefer Uk license.
you can do your training at FTE Jerez and get it.
Good luck.
you can do your training at FTE Jerez and get it.
Good luck.
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I have visited Aerodynamics in Malaga, and I must say they look pretty good. They also have an English instructor.
Other FTOs in Spain with some reputation are:
Aerotec
Aeromadrid
Aerofan
Flight Training Europe
Aerolink
Panamedia
and others........
Hope this helps.
Other FTOs in Spain with some reputation are:
Aerotec
Aeromadrid
Aerofan
Flight Training Europe
Aerolink
Panamedia
and others........
Hope this helps.
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Theory in UK and flight training in Spain
Consider this scenario:
a) Study the ATPL theory distance learning (or CPL) in the UK because it is well organised and very good.
b) Do the CPL flight training, along with IR, FI etc. in Spain because the weather is better and it is much cheaper.
Is this possible under JAA????
Thanks in advance for any responses.
a) Study the ATPL theory distance learning (or CPL) in the UK because it is well organised and very good.
b) Do the CPL flight training, along with IR, FI etc. in Spain because the weather is better and it is much cheaper.
Is this possible under JAA????
Thanks in advance for any responses.
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Hi jerezflyer
If you train with your name sake in Jerez it's no problem. They're basically a UK FTO in Spain. This wouldn't save you much money though.
Another option is to do the ATPL exams in the UK and get written permission from the UK CAA to complete your training in another JAA state. The chances of this happening are sooo slim it's hard to imagine.
Option 3 is to do the ATPL exams in the UK and do the CPL in the UK. The expensive IR can be done in any JAA state.
Option 4 is to do the ATPL exams in the UK and do the CPL in a UK CAA FTO abroad, say Florida, and then the IR in Spain ir the UK. You can't do the IR outside of Europe.
Hope this helps. I'm still running around like a headless chicken trying to decide.
If you train with your name sake in Jerez it's no problem. They're basically a UK FTO in Spain. This wouldn't save you much money though.
Another option is to do the ATPL exams in the UK and get written permission from the UK CAA to complete your training in another JAA state. The chances of this happening are sooo slim it's hard to imagine.
Option 3 is to do the ATPL exams in the UK and do the CPL in the UK. The expensive IR can be done in any JAA state.
Option 4 is to do the ATPL exams in the UK and do the CPL in a UK CAA FTO abroad, say Florida, and then the IR in Spain ir the UK. You can't do the IR outside of Europe.
Hope this helps. I'm still running around like a headless chicken trying to decide.
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I don't see any problem in doing ATPL in UK and CPL IR in Spain at the likes of Aerofan, Aeromadrid etc, as long as all the schools are JAA approved everything should be OK.
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Not so. The CAA will not accept a CPL skill test from a Spanish JAA Approved FTO. The bit in italics below is the response I received from the CAA Policy section about such a situation. I did the UK ATPL exams and am doing the IR at a JAA (not CAA) Spanish Approved Flight School. The CPL course I'm looking at doing in the UK.
JAR-FCL 1.065(a)/2.063(a) states that applicants for a licence shall demonstrate the completion of all requirements for licence issue to the Authority of the State of Licence issue. There is also provision in 1.065(b)/2.065(b) to allow applicants who have commenced training under the responsibility of one Authority may be permitted to complete the requirements under the responsibility of the other Authority, and that the Authorities shall agree the 'State of Licence issue'.
However, dependant on the law in the other member state will determine as to whether or not another State will accept this provision or not. Some other JAA States may insist that if an applicant has commenced training in that State, they must continue training and complete all requirements in that same State. Other states law prohibits the acceptance of our UK JAR exams etc..
>From the UK CAA's point of view our policy at present is as follows:-
Where an applicant has passed the JAR-FCL Theoretical Knowledge Examinations in the UK and wish to complete flying training at a JAA Approved FTO in another JAA Member State, we would have no objection with this. However, our policy is that we would expect the State in which you complete your flying training (Spain in this case) to be the State of licence issue. We would not be willing to allow you to complete flying training in Spain with the intention of being issued with a UK JAR-FCL CPL(A).
But, as mentioned above there needs to be an agreement to this effect between both JAA Member States, therefore whilst we have no objection you will need to confirm with the Spanish CAA that they will accept a pass in the UK JAR-FCL ATPL(A) exams (once completed) towards the issue of a Spanish JAR-FCL licence. Also confirm with them that they are happy to be the State of Licence issue and agreeable with your proposal. I would suggest that you get written confirmation from them to that effect.
Of course if a Spanish JAR-FCL licence is issued, you may at a later date apply for a Change of State of licence issue to the UK subject to the normal residency or occupational ties as stated in JAR-FCL 1.070.
The above is on the assumption that you wish to complete flying training at a Spanish JAA Approved FTO and not a UK JAA Approved FTO in Spain (i.e Flight Training Europe SL in Jerez who are approved by the UK CAA). If it is the case that you wish to complete a CPL modular course of flying training at Flight Training Europe, as they are approved by us then we would have no objection and you would upon completion be issued with a UK JAR-CPL(A).
You can do a rating at any JAA Approved FTO, so the IR would not be problem. The CPL skill test is not for a rating.
Hope this helps anyone else contemplating where to do the CPL/IR modules.
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Not so. The CAA will not accept a CPL skill test from a Spanish JAA Approved FTO. The bit in italics below is the response I received from the CAA Policy section about such a situation. I did the UK ATPL exams and am doing the IR at a JAA (not CAA) Spanish Approved Flight School. The CPL course I'm looking at doing in the UK.
JAR-FCL 1.065(a)/2.063(a) states that applicants for a licence shall demonstrate the completion of all requirements for licence issue to the Authority of the State of Licence issue. There is also provision in 1.065(b)/2.065(b) to allow applicants who have commenced training under the responsibility of one Authority may be permitted to complete the requirements under the responsibility of the other Authority, and that the Authorities shall agree the 'State of Licence issue'.
However, dependant on the law in the other member state will determine as to whether or not another State will accept this provision or not. Some other JAA States may insist that if an applicant has commenced training in that State, they must continue training and complete all requirements in that same State. Other states law prohibits the acceptance of our UK JAR exams etc..
>From the UK CAA's point of view our policy at present is as follows:-
Where an applicant has passed the JAR-FCL Theoretical Knowledge Examinations in the UK and wish to complete flying training at a JAA Approved FTO in another JAA Member State, we would have no objection with this. However, our policy is that we would expect the State in which you complete your flying training (Spain in this case) to be the State of licence issue. We would not be willing to allow you to complete flying training in Spain with the intention of being issued with a UK JAR-FCL CPL(A).
But, as mentioned above there needs to be an agreement to this effect between both JAA Member States, therefore whilst we have no objection you will need to confirm with the Spanish CAA that they will accept a pass in the UK JAR-FCL ATPL(A) exams (once completed) towards the issue of a Spanish JAR-FCL licence. Also confirm with them that they are happy to be the State of Licence issue and agreeable with your proposal. I would suggest that you get written confirmation from them to that effect.
Of course if a Spanish JAR-FCL licence is issued, you may at a later date apply for a Change of State of licence issue to the UK subject to the normal residency or occupational ties as stated in JAR-FCL 1.070.
The above is on the assumption that you wish to complete flying training at a Spanish JAA Approved FTO and not a UK JAA Approved FTO in Spain (i.e Flight Training Europe SL in Jerez who are approved by the UK CAA). If it is the case that you wish to complete a CPL modular course of flying training at Flight Training Europe, as they are approved by us then we would have no objection and you would upon completion be issued with a UK JAR-CPL(A).
You can do a rating at any JAA Approved FTO, so the IR would not be problem. The CPL skill test is not for a rating.
Hope this helps anyone else contemplating where to do the CPL/IR modules.
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