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Absolutely Terrific,
That would be very very interesting to reveal, but apart from imparting a healthy dose of humility, it would serve little purpose because people can change. I have a mate who had a bad run of luck on the IR but is now a very competent airline pilot. Equally, there are those pilots who get worse. Some never change, usually the ones who think they are brilliant from day one.
Nearly forgot to add that I'm looking forward to the trip down to Woolworths for the arse display. I'm free on Tuesday afternoon unless called out from standby! See you then Kev?
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That would be very very interesting to reveal, but apart from imparting a healthy dose of humility, it would serve little purpose because people can change. I have a mate who had a bad run of luck on the IR but is now a very competent airline pilot. Equally, there are those pilots who get worse. Some never change, usually the ones who think they are brilliant from day one.
Nearly forgot to add that I'm looking forward to the trip down to Woolworths for the arse display. I'm free on Tuesday afternoon unless called out from standby! See you then Kev?
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Asking for one school to 'publish' a 'pass rate' is too facile a solution to a complex issue.
The only people who could do it would be the CAA under a complex set of rules. Would tests discontinued due to Tech or Weather be training failures? If a school such as Exeter Airways which takes on a lot of converting ex-Mil pilots is compared on first time pass rates with a place like LFS which does not; well one is going to look much better on paper. Yet were you as Jow Wannabe to rock up at Exeter in full expectation of a first time pass you might a) be dissapointed and b) left floundering in the wake of the other students.
(To be fair to Exeter that probably isn't the case but its an illustration in point).
So raw statistics would be pretty meaningless.
And anyway - if first time pass rates became critical to FTO's business all that would happen is that a lot of candidates would be made to fly a lot more hours before being allowed to be put up for test in the FTO's aircraft. So you'd all loose out financially through over-training. The 'best' schools would become the worst offenders in over-training.
There's nothing wrong with a partial or a failure along the way in basic training. We've all been there me included and shortly after I was an IRI in Jerez... It makes no odds and in fact can be a useful anecdote at later airline interview..... So tell us about a time when you had to cope with personal failure in some way? etc etc
Go to lots of schools, choose one - THEN - work Hard at making it work for you. Don't expect it all to be perfect and be as critical of yourself as you are of your resources and instructors.
Its good practice to get used to coping with less than ideal training with people you don't actualy really get along with as this describes a great deal of later airline training that you will receive. It ain't all fluffy I can tell you.
Good luck,
WWW
The only people who could do it would be the CAA under a complex set of rules. Would tests discontinued due to Tech or Weather be training failures? If a school such as Exeter Airways which takes on a lot of converting ex-Mil pilots is compared on first time pass rates with a place like LFS which does not; well one is going to look much better on paper. Yet were you as Jow Wannabe to rock up at Exeter in full expectation of a first time pass you might a) be dissapointed and b) left floundering in the wake of the other students.
(To be fair to Exeter that probably isn't the case but its an illustration in point).
So raw statistics would be pretty meaningless.
And anyway - if first time pass rates became critical to FTO's business all that would happen is that a lot of candidates would be made to fly a lot more hours before being allowed to be put up for test in the FTO's aircraft. So you'd all loose out financially through over-training. The 'best' schools would become the worst offenders in over-training.
There's nothing wrong with a partial or a failure along the way in basic training. We've all been there me included and shortly after I was an IRI in Jerez... It makes no odds and in fact can be a useful anecdote at later airline interview..... So tell us about a time when you had to cope with personal failure in some way? etc etc
Go to lots of schools, choose one - THEN - work Hard at making it work for you. Don't expect it all to be perfect and be as critical of yourself as you are of your resources and instructors.
Its good practice to get used to coping with less than ideal training with people you don't actualy really get along with as this describes a great deal of later airline training that you will receive. It ain't all fluffy I can tell you.
Good luck,
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The IR is more often than not done towards the end of the training for the ATPL when your training budget has usually been exceeded by several thousand quid, thing are getting tight, the bank wont lend you any more cash , your credit card is maxed out along with that of your partners. Generally the IR accounts for the most expensive part of your training costs, so now the pressure is on. A first time pass is now a must in the least possible amount of time. (You could in fact substitute the word time with cost).
Many students now pitch up at the school of their choice with all this pressure and worry, the student now tries to complete the course in the minimum 55hours or whatever it is these days. You get rained off, the aircraft gets snagged etc, etc, etc. time and money are really getting critical now. Your 55 hour IR course is now complete but you instructor advises a few more hours in the sim and maybe a mock test route or two. NO, NO, im running outta cash the student cries. So the student elects to have a crack at the 170a, gets lucky and goes for the test, Fails it and is now faced with mandatory retraining, another test fee etc etc.
This is not an unusual course of events. Maybe if the student had listened to his instructor he would have done a bit more training and got a first time pass.
I don’t think the publishing of schools pass rates would provide you with much , as already stated a few more students like the one above and the schools pass rating could alter quite dramatically, also some candidates handle the test scenario rather better than others so any one set of students could buck the trend either way.
Also if its any consolation first time pass rates, 98% overall pass mark in the written exams etc only matter to those that are looking for their first aviation job or are applying to the likes of CTC.
I failed my IR monumentally; all my own fault not my instructor’s, the schools, the aircraft. MY FAULT. Did it matter? Yep sure did, but only at the time. Did it impede my progress to the airline? No, I secured three interviews with three airlines, now RHS regional TP.
Pick the school that suits you, visit not once but several times if possible, have a crafty word with several of their current students to see how they feel and if you like them give them a go, at the end of the day if your not happy tell em and if nothing improves vote with your feet.
G-LOST, Tuesdays OK for me but it will have to be in the afternoon, maybe we could use Airsupply's window instead, it's less far to travel. See you there then Kev? Just let us know.
Many students now pitch up at the school of their choice with all this pressure and worry, the student now tries to complete the course in the minimum 55hours or whatever it is these days. You get rained off, the aircraft gets snagged etc, etc, etc. time and money are really getting critical now. Your 55 hour IR course is now complete but you instructor advises a few more hours in the sim and maybe a mock test route or two. NO, NO, im running outta cash the student cries. So the student elects to have a crack at the 170a, gets lucky and goes for the test, Fails it and is now faced with mandatory retraining, another test fee etc etc.
This is not an unusual course of events. Maybe if the student had listened to his instructor he would have done a bit more training and got a first time pass.
I don’t think the publishing of schools pass rates would provide you with much , as already stated a few more students like the one above and the schools pass rating could alter quite dramatically, also some candidates handle the test scenario rather better than others so any one set of students could buck the trend either way.
Also if its any consolation first time pass rates, 98% overall pass mark in the written exams etc only matter to those that are looking for their first aviation job or are applying to the likes of CTC.
I failed my IR monumentally; all my own fault not my instructor’s, the schools, the aircraft. MY FAULT. Did it matter? Yep sure did, but only at the time. Did it impede my progress to the airline? No, I secured three interviews with three airlines, now RHS regional TP.
Pick the school that suits you, visit not once but several times if possible, have a crafty word with several of their current students to see how they feel and if you like them give them a go, at the end of the day if your not happy tell em and if nothing improves vote with your feet.
G-LOST, Tuesdays OK for me but it will have to be in the afternoon, maybe we could use Airsupply's window instead, it's less far to travel. See you there then Kev? Just let us know.
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152,ass where mouth is will never happen.
Both SH and JJ were fortunate enough to secure work with two fairly good airlines , but they worked as a team which in my opinion gave them the edge.
I've not heard much of what was said but i've heard about the woolworths window comment.
Must be green eyed monster syndrome!!!
Good luck to you both, you are well out of it.
Statler, studes may well identify with what you say. I do, but it gets no better when you get instructing, just that you get paid to fly, my loans are just about to kick in. ouch
Both SH and JJ were fortunate enough to secure work with two fairly good airlines , but they worked as a team which in my opinion gave them the edge.
I've not heard much of what was said but i've heard about the woolworths window comment.
Must be green eyed monster syndrome!!!
Good luck to you both, you are well out of it.
Statler, studes may well identify with what you say. I do, but it gets no better when you get instructing, just that you get paid to fly, my loans are just about to kick in. ouch
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NON S Hear what you say. but being paid to fly is awesome. Once you are earning the banks will lay off you. I sent them a photocopy of my licence and showed that I was working as an instructor, bought me loads of time. GOOD LUCK
The students cant be blamed, the cost of flight training is huge whereever you do it. But students do try to get through with the minimum of training, I know I did.
Getting past the CAA examiner is a different kettle of fish, you have to be up to standard, and up to speed. If not you fail.
I failed. But so do many other.
I did not get asked at the two out of three interviews I attended about any pass mark.
As I say people put to much emphasis upon pass rates and marks.
Cant wait for Tuesday, really hope its airsupply.
A famous G-LOST quotes is 'chickens come home to roost' QUALITY just QUALITY.
The students cant be blamed, the cost of flight training is huge whereever you do it. But students do try to get through with the minimum of training, I know I did.
Getting past the CAA examiner is a different kettle of fish, you have to be up to standard, and up to speed. If not you fail.
I failed. But so do many other.
I did not get asked at the two out of three interviews I attended about any pass mark.
As I say people put to much emphasis upon pass rates and marks.
Cant wait for Tuesday, really hope its airsupply.
A famous G-LOST quotes is 'chickens come home to roost' QUALITY just QUALITY.
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I usually just browse the prune as i have never seen anything that i feel that i have the knowledge or indeed the apparent high level of literacy to respond to a thread.
Tonight that changed. Not only was i appalled by Mr Horris's appalling use of our native tongue, but indeed the attitude and to be brutally honest, ill-founded derogatory comments about Leeds Flying School.
I Have been in and out of the school for little over a year now.
Subsequently i have been able to construct what i feel to be an accuarate picture of the school and it's work ethos.
As Statler qute rightly states, a pass rate is relatively insignificant, as to the quality of an FTO
A primary theme throughout this thread appears to be that everyone's first impressions of LFS seems to be that the staff are friendly and professional.
Which brings me swiftly on to my main thrust. Attitude. we could all sit at our PC's and bitch about FTO's until the Freisians decide for a homeward journey. This to me seems to be inrcedibly non constructive. In the short time i have been involved in and around this industry the main thing i have noticed is that everyone involved appears to have a knife in their hand and a stab wound on their back.
I Know of several flying schools up and down the country who seem to buy aircraft in order to keep maintenance organisations in business. Its all a question of Balance. People seem to want a zero hour aircraft with no snags and still pay an infitesimal hourly rate. You pay your money and take your choice.
I Can understand Mr Horris' point regarding the serviceability of aircraft ("Thats Aviation") However, to post on this forum that the best reason for not choosing an FTO is simply because you do not gel with the CFI is ludricous. Although not quite as ridiculous as aerobatics in the overhead of a GA airfield. Being a member at sherburn i'm sure you'll agree
Might i suggest that a more constructed argument without typographical or grammatical errors would be more well placed here. Sorry to be so pedantic, but if you cannot construct a decent sentence and spell it correctly how do you propose dealing with an instrument rating.
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Tonight that changed. Not only was i appalled by Mr Horris's appalling use of our native tongue, but indeed the attitude and to be brutally honest, ill-founded derogatory comments about Leeds Flying School.
I Have been in and out of the school for little over a year now.
Subsequently i have been able to construct what i feel to be an accuarate picture of the school and it's work ethos.
As Statler qute rightly states, a pass rate is relatively insignificant, as to the quality of an FTO
A primary theme throughout this thread appears to be that everyone's first impressions of LFS seems to be that the staff are friendly and professional.
Which brings me swiftly on to my main thrust. Attitude. we could all sit at our PC's and bitch about FTO's until the Freisians decide for a homeward journey. This to me seems to be inrcedibly non constructive. In the short time i have been involved in and around this industry the main thing i have noticed is that everyone involved appears to have a knife in their hand and a stab wound on their back.
I Know of several flying schools up and down the country who seem to buy aircraft in order to keep maintenance organisations in business. Its all a question of Balance. People seem to want a zero hour aircraft with no snags and still pay an infitesimal hourly rate. You pay your money and take your choice.
I Can understand Mr Horris' point regarding the serviceability of aircraft ("Thats Aviation") However, to post on this forum that the best reason for not choosing an FTO is simply because you do not gel with the CFI is ludricous. Although not quite as ridiculous as aerobatics in the overhead of a GA airfield. Being a member at sherburn i'm sure you'll agree
Might i suggest that a more constructed argument without typographical or grammatical errors would be more well placed here. Sorry to be so pedantic, but if you cannot construct a decent sentence and spell it correctly how do you propose dealing with an instrument rating.
Best Regards
T.A.S.I
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LFS .. satisfied customer
Since this thread has become a bit of a visitors book, I feel the need to add that I did my PPL with LFS last year and I was a satisfied customer. I chose them because they were a well regarded commercial school and from my first contact they had a friendly, affable, down to earth, yet professional approach. Most of all the people there were willing to give freely of their time, and to talk over my many and varied questions about the industry generally. I used to work for a big corporate so I liked the idea of a smaller, family run FTO for my flight training!
I learnt a lot from James, Stuart, Geoff and Jon who instructed me at that time and I credit them with preparing me well for my further commercial training. It was also a good laugh.
It seems to be a fact of life that all organisations (from the smallest to the biggest) have their politics. People have character (I think I've worked out who you all are!), they move on, and change is often inevitable when faced with external pressures outside one's control. It seems that aviation is no different. A good sense of humour and a bit of humility seem to be prerequisites.
Despite the commercial/operational constraints LFS were under at the time in offering PPL training from LBA, I was promised that as an existing customer they would get me through. In the event my deadline for leaving the country was brought forward, and thanks to the infamous Yorkshire Wx it was a close run thing... After being rained off right up to my last day, Tony Denson met me early doors the following (Saturday) morning for my Skill Test, and I left the country with a PPL and a smile on my face.
So, thanks LFS. It was fun. I would come back.
On Multiflight's FTO, I cannot comment other than to say that their main focus at Leeds is also on more advanced training (in fact they encourage ab-initio people to do a PPL with their partner FTO in the US), and that they did in the end make me a highly competitive offer for my business.
I spent many a frosty winter morning on Multiflight's apron, checking over and preparing my LFS aircraft, and I found their ground staff in particular to be friendly, helpful, and good humoured.
Kind Regards to all at Leeds,
George.
I learnt a lot from James, Stuart, Geoff and Jon who instructed me at that time and I credit them with preparing me well for my further commercial training. It was also a good laugh.
It seems to be a fact of life that all organisations (from the smallest to the biggest) have their politics. People have character (I think I've worked out who you all are!), they move on, and change is often inevitable when faced with external pressures outside one's control. It seems that aviation is no different. A good sense of humour and a bit of humility seem to be prerequisites.
Despite the commercial/operational constraints LFS were under at the time in offering PPL training from LBA, I was promised that as an existing customer they would get me through. In the event my deadline for leaving the country was brought forward, and thanks to the infamous Yorkshire Wx it was a close run thing... After being rained off right up to my last day, Tony Denson met me early doors the following (Saturday) morning for my Skill Test, and I left the country with a PPL and a smile on my face.
So, thanks LFS. It was fun. I would come back.
On Multiflight's FTO, I cannot comment other than to say that their main focus at Leeds is also on more advanced training (in fact they encourage ab-initio people to do a PPL with their partner FTO in the US), and that they did in the end make me a highly competitive offer for my business.
I spent many a frosty winter morning on Multiflight's apron, checking over and preparing my LFS aircraft, and I found their ground staff in particular to be friendly, helpful, and good humoured.
Kind Regards to all at Leeds,
George.
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Well I paid my money and took my chance with LFS. I now have a CPL/IR/FI and didn't go over budget.
However if someone were to ask me where to train I'd say go and look for yourself. Ask exactly how much the minimum course is including ALL the extras.
I also think it is important to establish how your readiness for test is judged. Just because you have finished the course doesn't mean you are ready. One school might put you in for test because you have finished the course the other might insist on extra training.
I passed my CPL first time but failed the IR. Who's fault was it? Well....I was flying the plane so it must have been mine!!! That is a fact for everyone who does a test, harsh but true.
So the debate goes on.
By the way LFS do really well to say thay have basically been booted off the airfield by ..........
TD
Forgot to say from my own experience:-
No problems with Jon for my CPL
Kev was great for my IR, although it would be better if he could just get on and instruct he is after all the Chief FLYING Instructor
Stuart excellent for the FI
As for ferry "flights" I probabley gained a couple of hours SEP and an hour MEP for nothing
I also have a mate who did his CPL/IR at Multiflight and had no problems.
As for the weather at Leeds, just don't do the training during the Winter, Spring, Summer or Autumn.
Although seriously May to August was not too bad last year.
However if someone were to ask me where to train I'd say go and look for yourself. Ask exactly how much the minimum course is including ALL the extras.
I also think it is important to establish how your readiness for test is judged. Just because you have finished the course doesn't mean you are ready. One school might put you in for test because you have finished the course the other might insist on extra training.
I passed my CPL first time but failed the IR. Who's fault was it? Well....I was flying the plane so it must have been mine!!! That is a fact for everyone who does a test, harsh but true.
So the debate goes on.
By the way LFS do really well to say thay have basically been booted off the airfield by ..........
TD
Forgot to say from my own experience:-
No problems with Jon for my CPL
Kev was great for my IR, although it would be better if he could just get on and instruct he is after all the Chief FLYING Instructor
Stuart excellent for the FI
As for ferry "flights" I probabley gained a couple of hours SEP and an hour MEP for nothing
I also have a mate who did his CPL/IR at Multiflight and had no problems.
As for the weather at Leeds, just don't do the training during the Winter, Spring, Summer or Autumn.
Although seriously May to August was not too bad last year.
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Some useful info in here amongst the usual drivel from a minority. I think it's perfectly fair to discuss FTO's on here and is one of the main reasons the forum was created by WWW and the PPRuNe Towers team.
However, in my experience you can do all the reasearch in the world on an FTO but the sad fact is you get the luck of the draw at most places. Fact of life in this game that some people will go to one FTO and get through first time, with fantastic service all round and others will go to the same school two months later only to feel like doggie poop on the FTO's boot. I have experienced both ends of that pineapple, most recently on the good end for a change but was sharing a dinner table with guys who hated the place so it just goes to show.......
Check accomodation, aircraft costs, hidden extra's like sneaky groundschooling charges and the experience of instructors. If they are all twenty something Jack The Lads then chances are that although they may be professional for their experience, that experience is smaller and less valuable than a career instructor in his forties or fifties.
I have found that a prompt return of call from the CFI is a good indicator of interest. Meet the CFI when you visit too. I have arrived at one particular school (who shall remain anonymous) only to be shown around by a secretary who didn't even know the difference between a PA28 and an ATR. Not her fault obviously but needless to say I never trained with that mob!
With regards to this topic I would say if you could find an airport closer to sea level you might stand a better chance of getting finished on time and in budget. Great experience landing in choppy conditions up there but that's if you can get airbourne in the first place. 90% of the time after October that's not gonna happen I'm afraid. But still, neither school appears to be short of students so, despite what DoleBoy believes, I doubt very much whether this particular peice of pertinent info will affect their business in all honesty. Tough cookies if it does anyway.
VFE.
However, in my experience you can do all the reasearch in the world on an FTO but the sad fact is you get the luck of the draw at most places. Fact of life in this game that some people will go to one FTO and get through first time, with fantastic service all round and others will go to the same school two months later only to feel like doggie poop on the FTO's boot. I have experienced both ends of that pineapple, most recently on the good end for a change but was sharing a dinner table with guys who hated the place so it just goes to show.......
Check accomodation, aircraft costs, hidden extra's like sneaky groundschooling charges and the experience of instructors. If they are all twenty something Jack The Lads then chances are that although they may be professional for their experience, that experience is smaller and less valuable than a career instructor in his forties or fifties.
I have found that a prompt return of call from the CFI is a good indicator of interest. Meet the CFI when you visit too. I have arrived at one particular school (who shall remain anonymous) only to be shown around by a secretary who didn't even know the difference between a PA28 and an ATR. Not her fault obviously but needless to say I never trained with that mob!
With regards to this topic I would say if you could find an airport closer to sea level you might stand a better chance of getting finished on time and in budget. Great experience landing in choppy conditions up there but that's if you can get airbourne in the first place. 90% of the time after October that's not gonna happen I'm afraid. But still, neither school appears to be short of students so, despite what DoleBoy believes, I doubt very much whether this particular peice of pertinent info will affect their business in all honesty. Tough cookies if it does anyway.
VFE.
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I see this thread has diverged totally from the original question but what the heck, I'll give you my opinion - like it or not.
I have had experience of both Multiflight and LFS. I chose to do my IR at LFS. Why? I walked into Multiflight, had to wait a while before someone spoke to me and I was eventually handed a glossy brochure. The place felt cold, regimented with no atmosphere at all. Training was conducted monday to friday 0900 - 1700, no weekends and no evening trips. My initial impression was not good. So I went to visit LFS. I wandered in had a quick chat with one of the instructors who made me a cup of tea, and we discussed all things aviation in the comfort of IKEA furniture. Another chap arrived and introduced himself as Tony, he invited me into pre-flight briefing he was about to give. First impressions were good.
Studying the paperwork from LFS I soon realised that not only were they a couple of hundred quid cheaper than multiflight the LFS course had 10 hours more than Multiflights included in the price. (LFS 25 sim 25 aircraft, Multiflight 35 sim 15 aircraft).
I selected LFS pitched up on day 1 and I only have praise for the excellent training received, primarily from Kevin but also from the occasional trip with Tony and Stuart. Kevins method of teaching is superb, drag it all down to a basic level to save brain power! All the instructors would make themselves available at weekends and evenings if required to get you through.
As for statistics, I and the majority who trained around the same time as me got a partial in our first tests. Why? Because we all made stupid little mistakes that just prevented Exam03 giving us the full pass. It was a 50 hour course and I did it in just a couple over.
As for LFS not offering PPL training anymore, I think you'll find that is something to do with Mr Hood hiking the prices up which make the whole thing impossible for any other school to operate.
I never had a problem with a broken aircraft nor did I have any issues with some of our sorties ending up at Sherburn.
PPRUNE is not the place for personal attacks such as some of those that have been launched on this thread.
KEVIN, STUART and TONY are top chaps. Thankyou for my IR!
I have had experience of both Multiflight and LFS. I chose to do my IR at LFS. Why? I walked into Multiflight, had to wait a while before someone spoke to me and I was eventually handed a glossy brochure. The place felt cold, regimented with no atmosphere at all. Training was conducted monday to friday 0900 - 1700, no weekends and no evening trips. My initial impression was not good. So I went to visit LFS. I wandered in had a quick chat with one of the instructors who made me a cup of tea, and we discussed all things aviation in the comfort of IKEA furniture. Another chap arrived and introduced himself as Tony, he invited me into pre-flight briefing he was about to give. First impressions were good.
Studying the paperwork from LFS I soon realised that not only were they a couple of hundred quid cheaper than multiflight the LFS course had 10 hours more than Multiflights included in the price. (LFS 25 sim 25 aircraft, Multiflight 35 sim 15 aircraft).
I selected LFS pitched up on day 1 and I only have praise for the excellent training received, primarily from Kevin but also from the occasional trip with Tony and Stuart. Kevins method of teaching is superb, drag it all down to a basic level to save brain power! All the instructors would make themselves available at weekends and evenings if required to get you through.
As for statistics, I and the majority who trained around the same time as me got a partial in our first tests. Why? Because we all made stupid little mistakes that just prevented Exam03 giving us the full pass. It was a 50 hour course and I did it in just a couple over.
As for LFS not offering PPL training anymore, I think you'll find that is something to do with Mr Hood hiking the prices up which make the whole thing impossible for any other school to operate.
I never had a problem with a broken aircraft nor did I have any issues with some of our sorties ending up at Sherburn.
PPRUNE is not the place for personal attacks such as some of those that have been launched on this thread.
KEVIN, STUART and TONY are top chaps. Thankyou for my IR!
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Thank you four a inspiring post, gald to sea ewe enjoyed the experience.
I sea that Multiflight have not faired well wive you post so this just goes to show that it is horses four corses.
I also notice that instructors past and presrnt have not had much imput into this topic or infact much from either school.
Did an arse appear at airsupply?
Thank you four a inspiring post, gald to sea ewe enjoyed the experience.
I sea that Multiflight have not faired well wive you post so this just goes to show that it is horses four corses.
I also notice that instructors past and presrnt have not had much imput into this topic or infact much from either school.
Did an arse appear at airsupply?
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You should know what kev thinks of computers
Nae chance
Last time i met JJ he wasjust doing his bumps at ABZ. And I see SH on my base captains full roster print out.
The reason why multiflight don't get a good write up is because they are lacking basic customers skills. The sooner they stick to MCC and dealing with corp heli's and jets the better the world will be for wannabies.
To be honest i don't rate Jon much myself (needs a bloody hair cut for a start) but Kev is a top instructor and tony suits a certain type of student. SA i didn't get on with but who cares I still passed and i now have a job.
MJ
You should know what kev thinks of computers
Nae chance
Last time i met JJ he wasjust doing his bumps at ABZ. And I see SH on my base captains full roster print out.
The reason why multiflight don't get a good write up is because they are lacking basic customers skills. The sooner they stick to MCC and dealing with corp heli's and jets the better the world will be for wannabies.
To be honest i don't rate Jon much myself (needs a bloody hair cut for a start) but Kev is a top instructor and tony suits a certain type of student. SA i didn't get on with but who cares I still passed and i now have a job.
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Don't think thats to fair a comment about Jon, yeah he might need a haircut but he is constantly undermined by Kev, Jons never been given a chance IMO. Kev see's Jon as a threat, in fact Kev sees everyones as a threat.
As for the Mr A comment, I'd be leaving that well alone, there are alot of people out there with a lot of respect for Mr A. I think you'll find yourself in the minority on that one.
As for the Mr A comment, I'd be leaving that well alone, there are alot of people out there with a lot of respect for Mr A. I think you'll find yourself in the minority on that one.
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You know the worst thing about this thread?? After lots and lots of research and visits. I decided that LFS looked like exactly what I wanted. No frills no b****cks just a good solid well established school with an excellent reputation. More importantly if you live in Northern England the options are very limited so LFS being at Leeds was an extra bonus and may save me a fortune in travel etc. But now this stupid bloody thread has sown an horrible seed of doubt into my mind about spending 10s of thousands on an FTO with this much hassle going on. Is this what the thread wanted to happen? Its very unfair to both LFS and particularly wannabees. 
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I have seen you asking about schools before and I know what its like.
There have been a few developments recently so I suggest you contact Stuart Anderson direct he is da man.
There have been a few developments recently so I suggest you contact Stuart Anderson direct he is da man.
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