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Just the Stearman, but ATC have some blame as well.
I was there, it wasn't clear - neither Ewald nor Tracey did anything wrong. For the avoidance of doubt. |
Originally Posted by Sam Rutherford
(Post 10281803)
Just the Stearman, but ATC have some blame as well.
I was there, it wasn't clear - neither Ewald nor Tracey did anything wrong. For the avoidance of doubt. A question Sam if I may: when the Stearman and the chase plane were transiting controlled airspace, contacting approach for landing, reading back departure clearances or communicating between aircraft who was doing the talking in the Stearman? Did each plane make their own calls or was it done as a “flight of two” ? |
Originally Posted by Sam Rutherford
(Post 10281803)
Just the Stearman, but ATC have some blame as well.
I was there, it wasn't clear - neither Ewald nor Tracey did anything wrong. For the avoidance of doubt. It’s a shame that she seems |
ON the other thread (which I won't comment on as I am not a member of the LAA) there is this:\
"It has damaged our reputation and made us look misogynistic. We need to be generous and fix it.... Let’s play the game in a way that makes us attractive to young women and men, and encourages them to join us." I am just your regular PPrune troll, but what this is suggesting is the most misogynistic thing of all, TOKENISM. It makes a mockery of the many women who have forged successful careers without a team of men to do all the work for us and haven't sought any publicity or thrown our toys out of the pram when we don't get everything our way. The hidden agenda seems to be to get revenge on the LAA for being so beastly and mean and tear the horrid organisation to shreds, it's working a treat, would there be this much wringing of hands if she was a he? Is all you need to get an accolade to throw a tanty? What a horrible situation, deliberately manipulated; if I were a member I would suggest expelling her from the association before the AGM for her remarks about the association then presumably she wouldn't be eligible for the trophy anyway, problem solved. |
As shown on the Winslow accident report both were logging the flight time. The aircraft was being operated under FAA rules, given the first para in the quote how could both log the time, a Stearman does not require two pilots? Were they taking advantage of the second para, in which case Ewald was the real PIC, responsible for the overall safety etc of the flight, and TC-T was logging PIC time as "sole manipulator", which she tells us she was?
two pilots may not simultaneously log PIC when one pilot is sole manipulator of the controls and the other is acting as pilot-in-command if the regulations governing the flight do not require more than one pilot...............there are some unusual situations which occur. A private pilot flying with his friend (a CFI or ATP) aboard as a passenger. What is the status of the CFI or ATP (Ewald) who is obviously a more senior pilot with more experience than the private pilot (TC-T)? The regulations don’t address this situation, but the courts may find that the more senior pilot has some or all the responsibility for the operation or safety of the flight. FAA LOGGING TIME - LEGAL INTERPRETATIONS http://www.offhand.org/amb/pic-time.txt |
I'm an LAA member. I'm female. I've held some sort of licence since 1981. Nobody outside my club has ever given me an award. I did once get a small grant from the BWPA.
I've paid for my flying apart from when I was an instructor. I paid for my CPL, I paid for my instructor ratings, I paid for my touring, in a slow and basic aircraft, I paid for the maintenance that I didn't or couldn't do myself. If in order to get an award I have to act like this pretentious stuck up liar, then I don't ever want one. Actually I don't want one anyway, because I fly for fun. Guess how I voted? |
On p8 of this publication the author says the Stearman belongs to Ewald Gritsch
https://www.airpilots.org/file/2339/...-june-2016.pdf |
Originally Posted by Hadley Rille
(Post 10283022)
On p8 of this publication the author says the Stearman belongs to Ewald Gritsch
https://www.airpilots.org/file/2339/...-june-2016.pdf Nice try but the date is well after the first accusations were made. Two weeks after this article was published, C-T's Facebook and website were still talking about a solo flight - see link below. If you follow the link, you'll notice that the website description of her journey seems not to be quite as fulsome and open as the editors above..... https://web.archive.org/web/20160621...:80/operations |
"Her journeys have been very much 21st century ones, embracing the GoPro era with copious cameras and photographers, and a chase aircraft bringing luggage and avgas, and also assisting in navigation, and very proactive PR. Moreover, for most flights on the 2015/6 expedition to Australia she was accompanied by the aircraft's owner, Ewald Gritsch, a 20,000 hour instructor."
Interesting article. So here is the chase-plane assisting with the navigation which was such a "feat" for Tracey, in that aeroplane that is not hers, and Ewald along just to see she doesn't break it. Role model? - No. Worthy of any award? - No. Proactive PR? Yes, in over-drive and no one applying any brakes. Right to remove the Bill Woodham Trophy? - Yes People have done great things in the past, received awards for doing so but these have been removed when the truth came out. (See the Lance Armstrong story) |
In the meantime, somebody else is trying to get to Australia, and may be worth watching...
http://gb-nz.com/ G |
Interesting to read that the chase plane was impounded in Indonesia for a month for busting restricted airspace.
Good luck to the GB to NZ team! |
Originally Posted by Clare Prop
(Post 10283353)
Interesting to read that the chase pane was impounded in Indonesia for a month for busting restricted airspace.
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To lighten the mood I thought I would post this from the ladyicarus blog because it made me smile. “There was a small problem with oil leaking from the front of the engine at Port Elizabeth, so Ewald Gritsch, the team's engineer, flew with Tracey to confirm that everything was all right.” ...........and this “So what is Tracey Curtis-Taylor carrying in the Spirit of Artemis? [img]http://2.bp.********.com/-pzSPCH1PSeM/UntwSCG9SpI/AAAAAAAADuE/AV_IkAlkKQM/s200/IMG_0141.JPGAt the ExecuJet HQ in Cape Town before take off, lots of negotiations were taking place, with boxes and equipment being swapped between the two planes. Tracey can carry just 15kg in hers; the chase plane, a Cessna Caravan, can obviously carry more, but is also limited. Unlike Lady Heath all those years ago, Tracey will not be carrying a tennis racquet, shot gun, or morphine in case of a crash landing. She will certainly carry a change of clothes, some food, a book or two, and maybe even a party dress! Then there are her three mascots - an elephant, leopard (or maybe it's a giraffe?) and lion. "And I hope to get two more along the way!" she says.” ...........and this "She was the first person to fly it solo in a light aircraft and she was doing it totally unassisted. I have a little bit more support that she did - I have an aircraft accompanying me. The purpose of that is to film the project - a story of Mary Heath and my flight." |
This was posted on another aviation bulletin board - so everything including the email addresses are already in the public domain...
From: Steve Marriott [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 14 October 2018 13:14 To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: Journeys in a Biplane, Following Female Pioneers of the Air I must apologise for contacting you like this and with such short notice. We have arranged a talk by Tracey Curtis-Taylor about early woman aviators and recreating their journeys for next Wed, 17/10/2018 and thought it might be of interest to your members. Tracey's talk is about the story of early woman aviators in history and the contribution that they made to aviation; the universal dream of flight, and what it's like to fly a vintage aeroplane across five continents in the modern age. Her recent epics have included: • Recreating the flight of Mary Heath, one of the most outstanding pilots of the late 1920s and the first person to fly solo from the Cape of South Africa in a light aircraft. Tracey restored and made the flight in a 1942 Boeing Stearman • In 2015 following the route of Amy Johnson’s solo flight to Australia which was another world first in 1930. • In 2016 flying across America following the historic airmail route from west coast to east coast which took a second attempt a year later after she crashed in the Arizona Desert with an engine failure The lecture takes place Wed 17/10/2018, 7pm for 7:30pm start. Venue in the Chemistry Lecture Theatre, University of Bristol, off Woodland Road, Clifton. Bristol. BS8 1TS (allow time for parking). Advance tickets available from Stanfords, Corn St, Bristol. BS1 1HT, cost £10:00 (concession rate; £9:00) or available on the door price £11:00. This is just one of a series of lectures we run every year as Wilderness Lectures. Our full programme is available on wildernesslectures.com. If you would prefer I don’t contact you in future to pass on news of relevant lectures do let me know. Yours Steve Marriott Wilderness lectures [email protected] G |
I’m sure that Ms Curtis-Taylor will immediately be contacting Mr Marriott to ensure the actual restorer gets the credit. After all, given what’s happened in the past through misunderstandings and the errors of others, correcting such inaccuracies must be high on her agenda. |
Originally Posted by Gonzo
(Post 10283807)
I’m sure that Ms Curtis-Taylor will immediately be contacting Mr Marriott to ensure the actual restorer gets the credit. After all, given what’s happened in the past through misunderstandings and the errors of others, correcting such inaccuracies must be high on her agenda. Wilderness Lectures Tracey Curtis-Taylor was born in England but raised in British Columbia, Canada, until the age of ten when the family returned to the UK in the early 1970’s. Tracey had her first flying lesson at the age of sixteen on a holiday to Canada and continued flying after she emigrated to New Zealand in 1983. Over the next six years she gained her private and commercial pilot’s licences and qualified as a flying instructor. She joined the New Zealand Warbird Association and was trained by military pilots to fly WW2 training aircraft. But her real passion was for early bi-planes and open-cockpit flying, and a defining moment was when she bought a share in a replica WW1 single-seat fighter, the iconic Se5a, which famously fought against the Red Baron in his Fokker Triplane. Flying old aeroplanes fostered an interest in the early pioneers and the recordmaking solo flights of the inter-war period. In 2012 Tracey commissioned the restoration of a 1942 Boeing Stearman for the purpose of retracing Lady Heath’s flight from Cape Town to England in 1928. Accompanied by a support aircraft and film crew, a documentary called T h e Avia t rix was made of Tracey’s flight in 2013 and was screened by the BBC. This was the forgotten story of Mary Heath, one of the most outstanding pilots of the late 1920s and the first person to fly solo from the Cape of South Africa in a light aircraft. Continuing with this theme of celebrating the achievements of the female pioneers, in 2015 Tracey followed the route of Amy Johnson’s solo flight to Australia which was another world first in 1930. In 2016 Tracey flew across America following the historic airmail route from west coast to east coast which took a second attempt a year later after she crashed in the Arizona Desert with an engine failure. Another documentary about Tracey’s flying adventures and the pioneering story is in the final stages of completion. Tracey’s talk is about the story in history and the contribution that these remarkable women made to aviation; the universal dream of flight, and what it’s like to fly a vintage aeroplane across five continents in the modern age. Continuing with this theme of celebrating the achievements of the female pioneers, in 2015 Tracey followed the route of Amy Johnson's solo flight to Australia which was another world first in 1930. In 2016 Tracey flew across America following the historic airmail route from west coast to east coast which took a second attempt a year later after she crashed in the Arizona Desert with an engine failure. Another documentary about Tracey's flying adventures and the pioneering story is in the final stages of completion. Tracey's talk is about the story in history and the contribution that these remarkable women made to aviation; the universal dream of flight, and what it's like to fly a vintage aeroplane across five continents in the modern age. |
Mr Genghis Sir,
The quotes refer to an engine failure at Winslow. Does anyone know which part of the engine failed ? We appear to at least have stepped away from contaminated fuel which is a welcome amendment. |
Originally Posted by B Fraser
(Post 10283833)
Mr Genghis Sir,
The quotes refer to an engine failure at Winslow. Does anyone know which part of the engine failed ? We appear to at least have stepped away from contaminated fuel which is a welcome amendment. |
Tracey continues to issue denials about previous claims while still publishing this on her wiki entry. In December 2012, Curtis-Taylor was part of a four-man Russian crew that was flying an Antonov An-2 biplane from Kiev to deliver in Cape Town, arriving in February 2013. Sadly the backstory is littered with such illusion. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracey_Curtis-Taylor |
Air Police; Brilliant! Where I work that part is called “the sloppy link.” SND |
it was the bit between the throttle lever and the seat |
I am no longer a pilot but have been following this thread for a while as I think it shows an interesting manipulation of the media, particularly wikipedia and urge anyone who has not done so to read the talk page of her wiki (just select the talk tab at the top of the page) to see how information has been ruthlessly suppressed.
Anyone who has done media training will know that when talking to the media you never actually answer the questions unless you want to - instead you should use the opportunity to say the things that you want to say. If really pressed then you need to have some “lines to take” which everyone in your team (if you have one) regurgitates ad nauseam. As the saga has unfolded it is becoming clearer that the following are some of her “lines to take”. Q) Wasn’t the trip supposed to be solo? A) There was always going to be a support team and another aircraft to do the filming - I was never going to do this on my own. (Note this answer doesn’t answer the question at all !) Q) You have been pictured by a slide at a presentation stating that you were alone in a cockpit when you weren’t. A) The slide doesn’t refer to my flight but that of lady Heath. Q) You have been filmed saying your flight was solo . A) A slip of the tongue . As some of these lines are better than others you should spend as much time as possible talking about the strong ones and as little time as possible on the weak ones. When you start looking it is easy to see how “fake news” is spread - modern media is incredibly susceptible to manipulation and even if you can see it being done it is next to impossible to correct it - again see the wiki talk page. |
megapete
Her Wikipedia page is indeed farcical and I think knowledgeable people have long since given up trying to change it. What I find strange is that for every question you showed, there is cast-iron evidence from numerous sources showing the actual truth - the slip of the tongue that was actually two (very confidently stated) slips of the tongue. The archived pages from her Facebook account and website along with hundreds of interviews (including one with pilotweb) where she either states she is going (or went solo) or, she does not dispel the statement. The picture of her accepting an award which has solo written on it and of course, the slide which is so obviously her trip even though she still uses the lamest of explanations to try and rid herself of it.. Yet....show all that to some people and they would prefer to believe C-T is the one being wronged. Whether it's because they don't wish to admit they have been hoodwinked or the shutters have come down, I don't know. What I do know is that in the end, as Mr Armstrong found out, cheats never prosper. The problem is, they hurt other more deserving people along the way and that alone is why C-T should not get away with this deceit. |
modern media is incredibly susceptible to manipulation |
Originally Posted by Jay Sata
(Post 10284050)
Tracey continues to issue denials about previous claims while still publishing this on her wiki entry.
Now unless she has a Russian licence I must assume she was just a passenger and not a crew member. Sadly the backstory is littered with such illusion. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracey_Curtis-Taylor Quoted from her own website. Tracey Curtis Taylor - Aviatrix, Adventurer, Inspirational Speaker This picture among the other pictures of the Russian AN2 going to Cape Town is an AN2 that is described on her own website Tracey Curtis Taylor - Aviatrix, Adventurer, Inspirational Speaker as "Tracey piloting an AN2 in Hungary on a training flight in 2012" but it is conveniently placed giving the impression she was flying the Russian AN2. http://www.birdinabiplane.com/images/kiev1.jpg I think her logbook would make very interesting reading. |
Tracey is rather keen on having her photograph taken, but the photo of her behind the controls of the AN2 doesn't mean that she can fly it ........... any more than the Facebook photo of her straddling a Royal Enfield means that she can ride a motorbike.
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I have a picture somewhere of me sitting in an F1 car.
When asked if I drove it I can simply say " I was trying to emulate Lewis Hamilton" ; my F1 knowledgeable friends will know I did not drive it, but the less knowledgeable will go away BELIEVING I did. Let's see what Sunday brings unless of course more tales of deception, news pieces or radio interviews come to light. I have faith that the LAA will make the right decision for the right reasons. I am certainly looking forward to the next film - wonder if we'll get a mention in the closing credits. |
Originally Posted by B70
(Post 10284724)
Tracey is rather keen on having her photograph taken, but the photo of her behind the controls of the AN2 doesn't mean that she can fly it ........... any more than the Facebook photo of her straddling a Royal Enfield means that she can ride a motorbike.
Because not only would she need to hold a Russian licence and medical to start thinking about flying one, she would also need an AN2 type rating as under the Russian rules an AN2 is actually a two crew certified aircraft, unless of course one of the Russian pilots was an instructor and she logged anything as P/UT but would need to hold that Russian licence to be under instruction. |
TCT allegations of trolling on PPRUNE
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c90691229.jpeg TCT has alleged I am part of some sort of conspiracy with Sam Rutherford. I have never met or spoken to Sam although we have exchanged emails. As Tracey feels she needs to out me on the LAA forum I have asked the Pprune mods to change my ID to my real name and backdate it to the start of all my threads. I do not want to be accused of trolling. My real name is Mike Flynn. A journalist and broadcaster of 45 years plus and PPL who has done some serious long distance flying. I also happened to freelance for Flyer magazine as their news editor for a few years in the early part of this century. |
So there you have it folks.No answers due to what appears to a perceived notion about forum text limitations, so if you really want to hear the straight dope on the flights directly from the horses mouth, you have to buy the book. Get your £19.95 out!
" : ALL MEMBERS ! Please fill out those proxy forms..!!https://services.lightaircraftassoci...ost_target.gifby Tracey Curtis-Taylor » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:01 amHere are the reasons why I’m not answering insistent questions about my flights. 1. There is too much to say for a chat forum. They’re a chapter in the book when I finish it. 2. Anyone who can’t wait could contact me, although it does seem that the obsessive few don’t seek answers, but rather fuel for their indignation. 3. They are irrelevant to the 2018 motions, which in different ways seek to redress the irrelevance of the 2016 motion. Even if I were the self-promoting charlatan that some think I am, there was absolutely no evidence that this brought the LAA ‘into disrepute’. I did not solicit the 2014 Woodhams Award (relating to one flight only) and – though honoured to receive it – I did not promote myself on the back of either the award or of my membership of the LAA. Whatever they thought (if anything) of me, neither the general public nor the aviation world thought any differently about the LAA. The only people shouting about it were Sam Rutherford and his associates. The premise of the 2016 motion was nonsense and The LAA Board was unwise to blunder into a campaign of what was – dress it up as you may – personal vilification." |
Yes, says Janet. I think I do…and please call me Lieutenant Commander Janet. She calls herself, Commander. Anyone in the RN looking for a similar promotion should take note, you just give it to yourself, regardless of what the Admiralty have to say about it. She's had since July 2016 to fix this, and still not done so. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....cdd63bb41e.png |
Just a typo Airpolice, I bet the book will be full of them.
I am looking forward to the book, hopefully it will answer some of the many queries I have listed over the years. Hopefully it will detail all the little anomalies we have found over the years. Like the little diversion into Baragwanath to drop Ewald off so you could fly into the press-packed airfield on your own, will it explain why Ewald wasn't with you when leaving Farnborough but you met up with him not long after over in France - out of sight of the cameras? Will it explain why weeks later you chose to continue from Indonesia without your chase plane which you say was impounded but Ewald says it had ended its task and was returning home? As a matter of interest why was it impounded? Will it explain some past history? ie why you have left various places under a cloud (the metaphorical type not the literal fluffy ones because you don't fly IFR). Hopefully it will be littered with great images of all the warbird aircraft you have displayed in and the military pilots that trained you so well (I may know some of them ;-) ) Should make for good reading. |
In the meantime, somebody else is trying to get to Australia, and may be worth watching... http://gb-nz.com/ It is so refreshing to see that a light aircraft really can be flown SOLO, long distance, without lies and without any cheatery. Solo, in this context, means one person aboard the aircraft, one pilot. Very different to the mendacity and ego-pumping of the near-fraudulent commercial hype of Curtis-Taylor. Also, interesting that the G-GBNZ flight makes no big deal about whether the pilot is male or female. 90 years ago that was a big deal. In the 21st century it just ain't. Also interesting to see that those promoting the thing as promoting STEM actually are genuinely qualified in Science, Technology Engineering and Mathematics. Again, very different to Curtis-Taylor. In her scheme the only person with STEM qualifications was systematically airbrushed out of the scene on all three of her charades. Edited to add that: It's also notable that Wing Commanders Pote and Gatland don't posture themselves as Group Captains and Squadron Leader Landy doesn't pose as a Wing Commander. They're just not the type of people who would do such a thing. |
I don’t think the GB-NZ flight is being promoted as a solo effort - Media coverage states that Wg Cdr Pote will be Captain with other members of the team sharing sections of the flight. Their website is also pretty clear with a whole page on the team and who’s involved for each section. Nevertheless quite an undertaking with some impressively long overwater legs. |
Worth listening to. A recent interview,
Not knowing the back story this is a very entertaining and passionate interview, very convincing. Obviously the pre-chat off air must have had the warning "don't mention solo. " It is very easy to see why so many have been taken in. Listen and be educated. https://soundcloud.com/user-603229904/women-making-waves-tracey-curtis-taylor linky link |
Winslow, @09:20. “We found garbage in the carburettor”. Who is “we” and how come the NTSB missed it? In fact, they said there was no evidence of fuel contamination. In describing the Winslow crash I thought she was going to fess up when she started to explain density height. But no, she couldn’t quite bring herself to mention the obvious and went with the engine suddenly losing power. That FBO owner must be chewing his desk. |
Winslow, @09:20. “We found garbage in the carburettor”. That said, if Tracey was a part of the "we", I hope that the NTSB was another part of the we, or what were Tracey and her "we" doing taking apart an accident carburettor outside the participation of the NTSB? Presuming that the NTSB were a part of the "we", would they have seen the garbage too? I would think that they would have mentioned if they had... |
14:00 BST 20th Oct
Women Making Waves features women who each play a positive part in shaping our society and are at the forefront of empowering change. On Radio: 14:00 - 15:00Ever fancied flying off into the sunset in your own biplane? Adventurer Tracey Curtis-Taylor has done just that and thrills us with her escapades;Women Making Waves |
Originally Posted by Above The Clouds
(Post 10284693)
I can guarantee that you cannot act as a crew member on a Russian registered aircraft without a Russian licence and medical. In the video below she says she is waiting in Kiev for the AN2 to arrive so she could join the aircraft, probably because she would not have been allowed onboard while in Russia.
https://youtu.be/_5eo4C_QYrc Quoted from her own website. Tracey Curtis Taylor - Aviatrix, Adventurer, Inspirational Speaker This picture among the other pictures of the Russian AN2 going to Cape Town is an AN2 that is described on her own website Tracey Curtis Taylor - Aviatrix, Adventurer, Inspirational Speaker as "Tracey piloting an AN2 in Hungary on a training flight in 2012" but it is conveniently placed giving the impression she was flying the Russian AN2. http://www.birdinabiplane.com/images/kiev1.jpg I think her logbook would make very interesting reading. http://m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/real-economy-report-2013-03-20/rep_id:4433 In the video the AN2 flight was a practice run for her solo flight from Cape to Cambridge |
Given the in-exactitude of TC-T's use of the English language the question remains, was she legally a co-pilot?
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