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Jonzarno 10th Oct 2018 21:29


So glad about the compass, although it clearly cannot have been that reliable
Those GNS 430 compasses are notoriously unreliable........ :hmm:

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 10th Oct 2018 21:50


Originally Posted by Jonzarno (Post 10270711)


Those GNS 430 compasses are notoriously unreliable........ :hmm:

Certainly a couple of individuals need to be seeking a refund on their GNS 430 Moral Compasses, and reading the LAA posts I do not refer just to TCT. There was obviously a bad batch. sold before 2013.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 11th Oct 2018 14:24

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06nkhpr
Sorry to subject you to this.

Listen to more lies.

Apparently the ALONE in an open cockpit slide refers to Mary Heath - LIE - it is TCT's route.
We are on air as "internet trolls"
Apparently they tried to correct the press and SOLO statements
She says the Winslow crash WAS filmed. Why was this not submitted to NTSB.
She says she has tried to resolve issues with the LAA but these meetings were blocked.
Playing the sexism card again.
Wants to do Capetown to Alaska in the future.

clareprop 11th Oct 2018 14:54


Listen to more lies.
You can contact the program makers on the link below and tell them....I have.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04kfzn3/contact

The bit that really riled me was where she asked why it took so long for anything to be said. Sam has always made it very clear that he was prepared to go along with the spin for the sake of the program but when T C-T started getting awards for going solo, he put his foot down. Until there is an adversarial article or interview where both sides are questioned, non-flying journalists will keep getting the wool pulled over their eyes.

Nige321 11th Oct 2018 14:58

She's writing a book too...!

runway30 11th Oct 2018 15:14

As all of us have been branded internet trolls, and I think she gave sufficient information to identify who she was talking about, I think that any of us could ask the BBC for a right of reply.

runway30 11th Oct 2018 16:17


Originally Posted by clareprop (Post 10254197)
Mr Bremner, as others have said, it is indeed good of you to join in the discussion. I think many here would accept that you may not have been aware of the full background of the grievance pilots have with this story. Your views on the following would go a long way to clarifying this:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6873df9114.jpg

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....569cce88ac.jpg
https://youtu.be/VZD6IsGmGgw

I post again the infamous slide which says “7,000 miles in 32 legs over 6 weeks, alone in an open cock-pit plane” because it had some prominence in the interview. TCT described it as “ambiguous” and in fact refers to the flight of Lady Mary Heath. I have been having this discussion in private but now deserves a wider audience after the interview. Lady Mary planned to take 3 weeks but actually took 4 months if you measure from the ceremonial departure or 3 months if you measure from the actual departure. Anyone dreaming of emulating Lady Mary Heath would know this. Are we then to suppose that this is some sort of hybrid statement mixing elements of Lady Mary’s flight withTCT’s flight. That wouldn’t make any sense because Lady Mary is not mentioned at all.
I posted earlier about peeling away layers. This was a perfect opportunity for TCT to give a completely honest representation of her adventures but instead she admits some untruths that she can’t get away with whilst maintaining some that she thinks that she can. I am not a troll, I am someone who believes that the public should be able to rely on what they read and hear in the media and I am prepared to justify my statements if anyone wants to PM me.

Ant T 11th Oct 2018 16:48

So according to TC-T's interview today, the way we should understand

"7000 miles in 32 legs over 6 weeks, alone in an open cock-pit plane."

is - "I am planning 7000 miles in 32 legs over 6 weeks, Lady Heath was alone in an open cock-pit plane [over 3 months]"

Obvious......

Mike Flynn 11th Oct 2018 16:59

I am not sure where this saga will end but if she tries to blame the press I would remind her of Jonathan Aitkins famous quote.

“'If it falls to me to start a fight to cut out the cancer of bent and twisted journalism in our country with the simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of fair play, so be it. I am ready for the fight,”.


I look forward to her film and book.

On a positive note she comes across as well spoken person who could do a lot if she only dropped the obsession with her image and self promotion.



SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 11th Oct 2018 17:00


Originally Posted by Ant T (Post 10271438)
So according to TC-T's interview today, the way we should understand

"7000 miles in 32 legs over 6 weeks, alone in an open cock-pit plane."

is - "I am planning 7000 miles in 32 legs over 6 weeks, Lady Heath was alone in an open cock-pit plane [over 3 months]"

Obvious......

Also on that slide (not shown in your image but clear on others) it has the final destination of GOODWOOD. Lady Heath flew to CROYDON. I know TCT struggles with navigation, perhaps the root cause of this is her lack of geographical knowledge.

Dutystude 11th Oct 2018 17:13

First time I saw the notorious slide I wondered how long it would be before TCT argued that the slide referred to Lady Heath.

It’s taken a long time for her to clutch at this straw. Perhaps her teenage web page author spotted the ruse.

Mike Flynn 11th Oct 2018 17:27

What puzzles me is given the background of some of the leading lights at the top of the LAA tree they fail to see the evidence!

hoodie 11th Oct 2018 17:30

If that slide is Lady Mary's journey, then the departure from Cape Town will say "January 1928".

It isn't very clear but I'm trying to make that date fit with the image, which looks to me as if the month as written is November.

runway30 11th Oct 2018 17:33


Originally Posted by Jay Sata (Post 10271464)
What puzzles me is given the background of some of the leading lights at the top of the LAA tree they fail to see the evidence!

There is an admirable desire to promote women in aviation but if the example to follow is adding embellishments to your cv. and taking delight in a cavalier attitude to flying then I am certain there are better women out there to promote.

runway30 11th Oct 2018 17:36


Originally Posted by hoodie (Post 10271466)
If that slide is Lady Mary's journey, then the departure from Cape Town will say "January 1928".

It isn't very clear but I'm trying to make that date fit with the image, which looks to me as if the month as written is November.

There must be better copies of the slide earlier in the thread. I picked up a copy that had already been reposted by clareprop.

clareprop 11th Oct 2018 17:51


Originally Posted by runway30 (Post 10271473)


There must be better copies of the slide earlier in the thread. I picked up a copy that had already been reposted by clareprop.

I sourced it from here which, nearly two and a half years on, still asks some very pertinent questions...

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/...famous-flights

I wonder if John Michael Schneider, the journalist concerned, would be interested in an update...?

Meikleour 11th Oct 2018 18:02

Just listened to the T C-T radio interview ........and I have to say - she has some gall!

She appears to employ the "Trump" approach. Just lie, lie, lie and lie again until the lies become the facts and therefore she will be vindicated!

I do think the press are often complicit with false narratives due to their failure to really investigate, challenge and query assertions.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 11th Oct 2018 18:27


Originally Posted by clareprop (Post 10271486)
I sourced it from here which, nearly two and a half years on, still asks some very pertinent questions...

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/...famous-flights

I wonder if John Michael Schneider, the journalist concerned, would be interested in an update...?

Clare, this is the slide.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ded3f54eeb.png
For the avoidance of doubt. Mary Heath flew a Boeing Stearman (top left logo), From Capetown to Goodwood over 7000 miles in 6 weeks (it must have taken her a further 6 weeks to get from Goodwood to Croydon then). Oh, not forgetting of course that Mary Heath set off on 1st November and her plane was secretly called the Spirit of Artemis.

All is clear now. Sorry Tracey for getting the wrong end of the stick on this: Do you think we are stupid?

My e-mail is satcoswhippingboy at gmail dot com

Drop me an e-mail, I will tell you who I am and you can try to sue me!!!

clareprop 11th Oct 2018 20:36


Clare, this is the slide.

For the avoidance of doubt. Mary Heath flew a Boeing Stearman (top left logo), From Capetown to Goodwood over 7000 miles in 6 weeks (it must have taken her a further 6 weeks to get from Goodwood to Croydon then). Oh, not forgetting of course that Mary Heath set off on 1st November and her plane was secretly called the Spirit of Artemis.
I believe the term is, 'slam-dunk...'

homonculus 11th Oct 2018 20:44

Today's 5 live @ 01.05. The presenter, discussing the US accident describes it as 'following her previous solo expeditions'

This was a podcast programme, not a 30 second news interview. TCT could have corrected him, could have asked to stop and re record the interview, but no she simply let it run despite all the furore over her claims or otherwise about being solo. Do we need to say anything else?

I found it too boring to listen for the whole podcast but did like her comment @08.56 that following the loss of power in Winslow 'and with power lines looming, I flew it into the ground'. Perhaps the most truthful comment I heard

Auxtank 11th Oct 2018 20:49


Originally Posted by clareprop (Post 10271596)
I believe the term is, 'slam-dunk...'

All very interesting. I've spent the entire afternoon reading the Threads on here, and exploring the exterior links, etc.

I'm a bl**dy old fashioned pilot, with a lot of wind under the wings, and as far as I see it; if someone says they're Solo; that doesn't mean they have a Production Ship following close behind and a copilot in the seat in front.

All together a rather depressing story of how these young upstarts (know everything "Startups") seem to think they can steam roller over what constitutes an act of excellent Airmanship, replace it with a publicity stunt and then, with the correct legal process; have it authorised and made legitimate.

That's not how I remember the great pioneers of aviation and in my humble opinion the LAA should, very concisely, uphold their motion of the AGM 2016.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 11th Oct 2018 22:46

This will be my last post for a while now. I think all that I can say has been said and so will leave it to the LAA to conduct their affairs as they see fit. If anything fresh surfaces then I will of course share it and / or join in the debate.

Sam Rutherford has summed it up nicely over on the main LAA forum with this :

It's really very simple, and has nothing to do with gender but everything to do with behaviour. It is also not personal - it's simply about right and wrong.
Tracey lied about 'solo' during the Africa trip in 2013, she is still lying today in 2018.
Should this behaviour even be accepted, let alone celebrated with awards, medals and trophies? I guess that's the fundamental question that is looking for an answer.


From what I have seen these past few years Sam has never changed his story - consistent throughout.
On the other hand Tracey and team have so many versions of their stories that it really is a mess to unravel. My mum used to say "Son, liars have to have good memories"

Make up your own minds, read through the various online articles, listen to the audio recordings, watch the videos. Ask your friends and fellow flyers that have first-hand experience of this, ask around at Old Warden and Shuttleworth and then decide. Get it clear in your mind that what you do is right (either way) and get those postal/proxy votes in.

Out for now
SWB

Clare Prop 12th Oct 2018 00:58

As a female who has managed to get through 30 years and 13000 hours of professional flying without having encountered any "misogyny" towards myself or any of my female colleagues or being "blocked" from anything I was qualified to do because of my gender her radio interview made me cringe. She doesn't represent anyone but herself.

I don't know much about Lady Heath or her flight but I understood that it was planned to avoid Libya, is that correct Sam? That slide seems to show a little aeroplane icon going over Libya. *confused*

Personally I think all this is an act of revenge designed to cause divisions in the LAA and it's certainly working. Will there be any more jolly photoshoots with the royal Patron?

I would like to ask Tracey if the film is still in post production or awaiting the result of the AGM for the final edit.

(The other Clare Prop)

kghjfg 12th Oct 2018 07:02

Here’s a thing, I was talking to a Lancaster pilot recently. Flew 28 missions alone at the controls. As did 6000 other Lancaster pilots. Makes you think doesn’t it.

Cows getting bigger 12th Oct 2018 14:14

I'm wondering how TCT became an Honorary Lt Cdr in the RNR. Is there a link with the Honorary Rear Admiral Royal Naval Reserve and Commodore-in-Chief of the Maritime Reserve, who also happens to be Patron of the LAA? :}

S205-18F 12th Oct 2018 14:33

In the Ambulance Service we have a lot of contact with the press and obviously we see the articles in the news, which we attended! We some times have to ask our colleagues if that was the same incident we attended as the reports do not even come close to what happened! I challenged one reporter and his tongue in cheek reply was " Why let the truth spoil a good story" I walked away shaking my head!!
John.

clareprop 12th Oct 2018 16:36

I don't think this has been shown on this thread before. Dec 2013.

The description: 'British pilot Tracey Curtis-Taylor arrives at Goodwood Aerodrome after her epic journey flying her restored Boeing Stearman bi-plane from Cape Town to Goodwood over a 2 month period.' At 0.43s, ATC says, 'Congratulations on your epic journey'
Quite obviously, as the aircraft arrives on the ramp, there are two people in it. The occupant of the front-cockpit is not a cameraman. The film then cuts and we see him no more...




Gonzo 12th Oct 2018 20:40

it’s truly amazing.

Anyone who has 30 minutes to spare can go back through her Facebook page, to 2016 and earlier, where she has posted and shared many stories from various sources which all seem to have the word ‘solo’ featuring quite prominently.

If only Facebook allowed the sharer to also write a short note for people to read, such as ‘sorry folks, these media people have got the wrong end of the stick again. Everybody knows I wasn’t solo and I did tell them, repeatedly. They just refused to listen to me.’

Oh, hang on......

Clare Prop 13th Oct 2018 03:11

"If you hadn’t been flying solo, who would have been your ideal co-pilot?

Although this was primarily a solo flight, certainly at the outset, I often took members of the crew and sponsors with me"

No mention of Ewald

Q & A with Tracey Curtis Taylor | UK aircraft flight tests and pilot profiles | Pilot Magazine

B Fraser 13th Oct 2018 07:58


Originally Posted by Cows getting bigger (Post 10272117)
I'm wondering how TCT became an Honorary Lt Cdr in the RNR. Is there a link with the Honorary Rear Admiral Royal Naval Reserve and Commodore-in-Chief of the Maritime Reserve, who also happens to be Patron of the LAA? :}

You may also wish to google the Honorary Air Marshall of RAF Benson which may provide the answer to where the set of RAF wings came from. I'm sure he must have a few old uniforms that are surplus to requirements.

pilotmike 13th Oct 2018 09:06

From the Pilot article linked above:

"I had a support aircraft (Cessna Caravan) and for the most part a fantastic team which included the chase pilot, a logistics manager, an engineer, and a four-man film crew. In terms of my own personal preparation, in truth I did very little." Possibly the most truthful statement heard from T C_T.

Remind me what exactly the disputed award was for, if it wasn't for a widely marketed 'solo' trip that turned out not to be solo?

I love the rearward-facing picture of both pilots flying out over the coast with Ewald's pesky headset stubbornly refusing to get out of shot, ruining an otherwise perfect 'solo' shot.

Despite Ewald turning up like a bad penny in most of the photographs of the flights, he wasn't listed as one of her preferred 'passengers' she wanted to take, which included Bill Sykes, Ian Craig, Prince Harry and Rick McCrary. How thoroughly inconvenient having to put up with Ewald as her last choice 'passenger' for the vast majority of the flights that, by her own admission, she did "very little" preparation for!

A cynic would be forgiven for suggesting that choosing him could have been influenced by his qualifications, experience and skill-set (ATPL, Stearman owner and builder, instructor, navigator, engineer, invisibility cloak when required, sticking to the published story that had grown too big to be allowed to fail, aversion to being in the limelight in direct contrast to T C_T's apparent inability to survive away from it, etc, etc.)

Oh how this story keeps on giving and giving - a victory of ego and desperation for recognition and adoration over honesty and common sense!

rog747 13th Oct 2018 10:56

The Award bestowed by the LAA to TCT in 2014 was the Bill Woodhams Trophy for outstanding feats of navigation, aviation, tenacity and endurance...

With the deciding factors known at the time, the Awards committee gave her the prize in all good faith it seems, that her flight's navigation from CPT to the UK was done ''alone'' and in the spirit of the ''old days'' of Lady Heath about 90 years ago.
(Lady Heath probably busted levels to look at nice waterfalls, lakes, flamingos, and big Colonial houses on the way)
If that were all true then the prize perhaps would be correct.

Ah, but now we, and everyone else knows differently...Yes TCT undertook a rather long single engined biplane jaunt across Continents, and made a rather nice watchable BBC TV documentary about the journey but -
TCT was accompanied for that trip by a back-up team, including crew, engineering, operations, go-fors, sponsors & media. Thus NOT a SOLO flight nor solo achievements.

Haraka 13th Oct 2018 11:30

It is apparent that the ongoing exposure of this continued blatant deception is like water off a duck's back.The latest example being the Cape to U,K.backdrop ,( N.B. TCT on the current BBC podcast describing it as “ambiguous and in fact referring to the flight of Lady Mary Heath" ) with the truth being self evident and imaged on #4412 above.
If a few respond to the BBC's podcast then I can see it being touted by team TC-T as "only a few trolls", if many then, "proof of a big campaign orchestrated by misogynists against a woman aviator"
As with so many "reality" type enterprises in the media the truth is not allowed to get in the way of the "pap' peddled to an uninformed audience centred on "personalities".
I would venture to suggest that such posturing does not fall naturally into the honesty culture prevalent in most of those who are involved in aviation.
At best such behaviour causes doubt and uncertainty -at worst it costs lives,
The LAA Committee has to decide where it's moral compass truly points and then act accordingly as an example to, and in the interests of, its wider membership.

hoodie 13th Oct 2018 11:55


Originally Posted by Haraka (Post 10272771)
The LAA Committee has to decide where it's moral compass truly points and then act accordingly as an example to, and in the interests of, its wider membership.

It is not down to the LAA Committee or the Board; that is all water under the bridge now.

It is down to Members voting, counted on the 21st.

Haraka 13th Oct 2018 12:05

Hoodie
I was implying the resultant expulsion option ........

Clare Prop 13th Oct 2018 13:36

A rainy day googling has brought up many references to this as a solo flight, including articles she posted herself on her facebook page.

I have to wonder, were these organisations in on it were they duped as well?
https://amyjohnsonproject.org/news/t...ght-australia/

https://www.businessairportinternati...xpedition.html

Boeing: Boeing Supporting Curtis-Taylor's S. Africa-to-UK Flight in Vintage Biplane

pilotmike 13th Oct 2018 13:52


Originally Posted by rog747 (Post 10272744)
The Award bestowed by the LAA to TCT in 2014 was the Bill Woodhams Trophy for outstanding feats of navigation, aviation, tenacity and endurance...

Sadly, she is displaying much too much tenacity, clutching at straws and trying to cling on to the accolade of the trophy award. How much longer will everyone have to endure all the tall stories and now the pitiful tales of woe about how she's been completely misunderstood?

By her own admission, there was little if anything worthy of mention by way of navigation, except repeated stories of how airspace was busted and she was reprimanded for disgraceful disregard for procedures, navigational errors, especially considering she had such modern GNSS navigation equipment on board, and an ATPL to assist her!

Certainly, there was lots of aviation, this was clearly a very well funded jolly at other people's expense. But then again, almost every ordinary member of the LAA also does lots of aviation. The glaring difference is they generally do it at their own expense, and they don't make a big song and dance about it, expecting to pick up trophies and to be worshipped and adored for it. Possibly the big mistake has been to allow aviation to be confused with airmanship, of which T C_T has displayed very little to be proud about, by her very own admissions and well publicised crashes.

Others have said elsewhere, T C_T appears to have perfected the art of ingratiating herself with high net-worth and influential individuals, invariably men. There must be some highly gullible old men about to have fallen for her charms seemingly becoming bewitched under her spell.

All the more extraordinary, considering how often she openly denigrates and slags off men, whilst regularly playing the worn out sexist card to whip up pity for a vulnerable flower that somehow nevertheless achieves greatness, alone, by herself, despite being downtrodden by mean and nasty men, whilst inexplicably referring to herself as the 'Bird'.

Hopefully, the majority of LAA voters won't be the 'misogynistic old men' she so despises, and they won't simply be spellbound by her words or charm. Hopefully they'll see through the spin, the charm, the BS and the lies. Hopefully they'll be able to spot the link between the threats and the timing of the desperate media campaign for the re-awarding of this trophy ahead of the film release, and they'll vote accordingly, with integrity and honour - qualities which seem sadly lacking in most of the information released from the 'Bird' and its various mouthpieces.

Right Hand Thread 13th Oct 2018 14:34

A question which has been touched upon several times but never answered is, exactly how DID she find out what went on within the LAA when the motion was first submitted in 2016?

Who gave TCT the information that the original version of the motion was amended? As I understand it that was an internal matter and the articles of the LAA say that directors are to treat all their dealings as confidential.

Who was it?

hoodie 13th Oct 2018 14:55

Well, I may be in the minority (I hope not) but I do not care. It's a trivial bit of history, it is a distraction to the major issue and - most of all - addressing it now has the potential to start up yet another witchhunt against the LAA leadership. That will have two results - it will make it even harder to find volunteers in the future, and it will obscure the main thrust of the Motions at the AGM. I think for the good of the LAA it is a mistake to follow that course.

airpolice 13th Oct 2018 19:13

Another question...
 
For the the time when she carries out her promise to answer questions.

Did the !he "Chase Plane" also infringe the restricted airspace, or just the Stearman?

If not, why not? Airmanship by the chase Pilot?


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