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You may notice that it shows that Ewald Gritsch is NOT a certified flight instructor in this aircraft, or indeed have any relevant professional flight crew rating related to this aircraft... (except perhaps in Austria and maybe some other countries). Sorry could not resist! Carry on... " Piperboy it's quite extraordinary how you lot can come out with such allegations as though they were proven statements of fact." Scamming a couple of mil out of those Wall Streety, hedge funder assholes to finance your dream flying holiday is admirable and I salute her for that, but turning around and kidding on to John Q. Public that you displayed the skills, fortitude and guts of Capt Bligh on the trip is a bridge too far for me. |
I'm willing to believe the last sentence anyhow.
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Step Turn wrote:
Quote: a good education isn't a prerequisite for knowing right from wrong. Exactly. TCT has stepped into the realm of general aviation, where we [pilots] reside with pride. We conduct ourselves with honour, log our piloting time accurately, and do not take undeserved credit. From what I read here, TCT has done things which dishonour pilots in general, but worse, appears (again, only based upon what I read here) to be trying to "navigate" and bend her conduct, and recent history in an attempt to defend, justify, and perpetuate it. That's the most of what I find dishonourable. A previous poster mentioned a possible break in the path of compliance when they mentioned that TCT may not have held a valid FAA license, which is required for flying an N registered plane. Perhaps that rabbit hole is worth a look - who was the legal PIC for that flying? Gosh, if it turned out (me speculating) that the legal PIC was Mr. Gritsch, because TCT did not hold an FAA license, that would be very telling! To quote post #349 Quote: I take it this is referring to TCT and if so, I presume she holds at least an FAA Private Pilot Certificate to operate as PIC of an 'N' registered aircraft (In particular the flying conducted in the US most recently)? An Airman Inquiry through the FAA reveals nothing. Just to be thorough, I did the FAA search myself: Quote: Required * Last Name: First Name: (may be partial or may include middle name) Date of Birth: Day: Year: (i.e. 1974) City: State: - OR - Country: Search Results Display Preference: HorizontalVertical No records found based on search criteria provided above Edit: Though the quote above does not show the name I typed in, I did type it in correctly spelled. Again, that's my speculation, based upon what I read here, and the FAA search I have quoted. If my speculation turns out to be wrong, I will certainly withdraw it. Perhaps she is FAA licensed under a different name. Then, I would wonder why.... To "check the system" I searched myself as an FAA pilot the same way, and I am listed, so I know the search works the way I used it. Last edited by Step Turn; 15th Jun 2016 at 18:32. Stating the facts is one thing, but asserting wrongdoing, and claiming "evidence" of such, when you are wrong, is not helping anyone. Let's get back to stoning her for the "crimes" that she really has committed, instead of inventing others. |
Stating the facts is one thing, but asserting wrongdoing, and claiming "evidence" of such, when you are wrong, is not helping anyone. |
I do not see how having, or not having, a FAA licence changes the deceit or scammed awards. Am I missing something?
If the FAA licensing issue was to prove anything, beyond all reasonable doubt, it now proves that they were in this 'scheme' together [dual], does it not. |
Just to put the record straight on Ewald Gritsch's licence, when any of us obtains an FAA "piggy back" licence under 61.75 it is only issued as a private pilot certificate whether or not your national licence is an ATP, CPL or PPL. But you have to maintain the validity of your national licence, otherwise the FAA certificate is invalid. Mr Gritsch has an Austrian issued EASA Air Transport Pilot licence ( see my previous post with his Austrian licence number included with its AT.FCL prefix) so he can be properly described as a highly experienced Airline Pilot who accompanied Ms Curtis-Taylor in the Stearman on the entire trip(s). He might well have had a camera with him, and a set of spanners but once airborne I am sure the relatively inexperienced TCT would have relied on his experience and piloting skills when the going got tough. That's why so many of us have lost respect for TCT amid her varying claims of "flying solo", "alone in a cockpit", and all the other adjectival variations on the same theme.
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If the FAA licensing issue was to prove anything, beyond all reasonable doubt, it now proves that they were in this 'scheme' together [dual], does it not. I'm well aware some of the other pilots mentioned in the list will not have had such a luxury, but if you're committed to a flying circus it seems reasonable insurance to me. |
Originally Posted by Marchettiman
Mr Gritsch has an Austrian issued EASA Air Transport Pilot licence ( see my previous post with his Austrian licence number included with its AT.FCL prefix) so he can be properly described as a highly experienced Airline Pilot who accompanied Ms Curtis-Taylor in the Stearman on the entire trip(s).
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Isn't the issue here the inability of our press to properly scrutinize the claims being made?
Having said that, I am not really surprised given the level of knowledge of the so called 'experts' that the Beeb routinely drags up. |
If we are now playing the 'Due Diligence' card, that surely lies across the board to the people that gave her the award in the first place.
I suspect 'gross negligence' from the top, through all the tiers down in domino effect. |
Having said that, I am not really surprised given the level of knowledge of the so called 'experts' that the Beeb routinely drags up. |
flybymike
Whilst step turn may have got something wrong here, [which has since been amended] I do not see him calling himself an expert, running off to the press with fictitious and misleading allegations or attempting to collect any award by deceit. That is correct, isn't it. |
I'm not referring solely ( if I may use that word) to step turn.
We also have assumptions about licensing qualifications, apparent statements about the purpose and motivation of the flight, methods of navigation, who was flying and when they were doing it, and innumerable assumptions which can be no more than conjecture presented as fact. |
methods of navigation, who was flying and when they were doing it |
Quote: methods of navigation, who was flying and when they were doing it. Actually, most of that comes from first hand accounts by the support team. Genuine question. Have the support team posted that on this thread, or is the information available elsewhere? |
In answer to your last genuine question, Sam Rutherford posted earlier on.
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Planemike (your #373),
Caught beginning of it. Didn't the lady say that after they got off in Arizona: "300 rpm dropped off" (or words to that effect ?) That is exactly the result you would expect if someone (?) pulled a two-speed prop back to "Coarse" while flying slowly. The Vultee BT-13 did the same. Just an idea. Danny42C. |
DaveW
[We may as well resume our conversation here. The kids at our other network provider are seemingly having a glitch]
Originally Posted by Dave W
I am making such a meal of this, perhaps Cole's Law would be most appropriate.
I don't mind going through all the laws with you. I suspect we will end up with the Theft Act 1968 when we get back on thread. |
JS,
Re Abraham Lincoln's maxim... That may be so - but, if your scheme is well thought out, you can scam enough of them for as long as it takes to achieve your goal. |
Ian might like to appease his sycophants on the Flyer forum but I was never prepared to go down that road. As I've said numerous times before, that you are right, does not excuse your tedious obsession with repeating the same thing over and over. Lying about Ian having banned you from Flyer, when all he did was block you from repetitive posts, insisting that any new posts contain new information, didn't help your cause at-all. G |
Another vote in support of Ian from me. Thank you.
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For me, the single biggest factor is that I remember when I did my first solo.
This is a true story and one I wish I could tell to TCT in person. I'd been flying as sole manipulator of the controls for the whole lesson, when the instructor said 'I'll jump out and you can go on your own" I wasn't expecting it, and said "could you just sit there and say and do nothing" and he uttered the immortal words "No, I can't, there's no point in that, it's REALLY not the same" |
When I have a spare 5 minutes I'm going to work out how much money I need to do one of these jollies and stick a plea on one of the crowdfunding sites.
I'm not an experienced pilot myself yet, but I know plenty of very experienced pilots who could be my cameraman. I might stick a thread up asking which jolly I should try to get funded. It's got to be low risk, i.e. very little of it over water. It's got to be longer than cross channel, but take less than a month, because that's all the time I could get off work. Unless of course, I make the jollies into my work... hey there's an idea. I could form it into a company that pays me a wage as well. Now, only one question remains, if I'm completely honest, how much will I raise? Maybe I should find out ? Note: This post is only half joking, I may actually give it a go. It won't hurt if it fails. |
Pilot DAR,
Thank you for your post. I admire most, if not all your posts with wise counsel, although on this particular subject/topic I believe that you and/or your peers may not be objectively seeing my very valid point. Please hear me out. You will notice that I have never ever posted on this particular thread, although I have been following it with much interest. On or about 8th June at approximately 08.32 hrs a person called Ian Seager made a post on this thread. His submission was that Old Pilot had abused his Flyer Forum. He went on to say that a TCT thread had been locked because of Old Pilot. I, and many others, thought this was a rather lame and poor excuse, however, you will agree, up until yesterday [16th June] I never challenged Ian Seager about that matter and gave him the benefit of doubt. You will agree, nobody brought Mr Seager here, he came of his own free will and posted his information voluntary, albeit with abbreviated swearing. 'New information' or evidence if you like, which you and your peers have agreed to accept only came to light yesterday. Considering that Mr Seager is the proprietor of Seager Publishing one could say that he partly represents and is a voice in the UK GA community. This matter is not about a person - person disagreement, is it. It's much more important than that. I wish Mr Seager no harm or malice whatsoever. My post was not cyber bullying or crossing the line anywhere. I was simply challenging Mr Seager with my findings which totally contradicted his earlier statement, which he made on this professional forum. My submission in its simplest form is this...If we as a small aviation internet community cannot trust a renowned UK GA publisher to publish known facts surrounding this deceitful award, one then may ask or wonder, and rightly so, what any hidden agenda/s could be. Please feel free to delete my post again if you still disagree with me. EDIT Mr Seager may wish to consider this. Rather than feel like he is being pushed into something that he may feel uncomfortable making a decision about, in a democratic, fair and balanced way, perhaps he may consider a poll on his forum, simply a yes or no vote poll on publishing. Just a thought. |
I have read all the way through this thread and sympathise with the majority of opinions viz: someone has apparently dissembled in order to gain kudos.
Wouldn't be the first time. However, someone is within a whisker of becoming a talking head on BBC News (or whatever) when an appropriate item turns up. Such, unfortunately, is the modern media. |
"Dissembled", BB?
With due respect sir, I hardly feel that is the correct word to describe the ongoing actions of this blatant fraudster. As more information comes to hand, it's become increasingly obvious that this 'adventure' has been a carefully-crafted and orchestrated deception from the word go. You see, she can now afford to tone it down a bit and do some selective editing, having had media headlines previously proclaim her lies as fact. It's called "fait accompli". So now it seems that even that august body, the BBC, has become a willing accomplice in propagating this outrageous deception. Still, when I look around me, I see that we're surrounded by gullible fools - all queued up, ripe for harvesting. If only I'd perceived the extent of that when I was young, I reckon I'd be a very wealthy man right now - perhaps even a major media proprietor. Unfortunately, I was brought up to be a man of principle and conscience. Then, I mainly blame my parents and educators for that. Time in the aviation industry futher honed it. As you say though, it's not the first time and it won't be the last - while avarice, greed and the need for self-aggrandisement hold primacy over integrity. . |
For the last time, there really is no hidden agenda.
This is from my column in the March 2016 issue of FLYER, I might write it differently now, but it was based on the facts I had at the time. I'm not aware of anything else having been published in print since - are you? As is often the way with areas of specialist interest, those who take part tend to know more than those who produce TV reports or write national newspaper stories. More than a few eyebrows were raised when the BBC and many others talked of a triumphant solo flight. The ‘solo’ word was even voiced over a video showing Tracey plus one other getting out of the Stearman after landing in Sydney! Shouldn’t print and broadcast journalists really know that solo means alone? It’s hardly a term exclusive to aviation. I digress, the presumably accidental misreporting of the solo flight to Sydney seems to have also raised some questions about Tracey’s earlier solo flight to South Africa, which some have said wasn’t entirely solo either. I guess quite a few people complained to the BBC and others, leading to some stories, online at least, being changed. But surely Tracey herself would be keen to set the record straight and to thank the team that made her trip possible? Well, I’ve watched and listened to a few interviews and read a whole bunch of stories that have been published and so far I’ve not seen her say anything on camera, nor seen any clarification in a written report. That’s disappointing. Ian |
I'm astonished. That said, you don't say when that minuet piece was written. Was that before the deceitful awards were known about?
Nobody is making you out to be a media villain, but I would sure welcome that same imagination to ride wild when you write the next piece. I may know someone whom would do that particular write-up for you FOC. All we're looking for at the end of the day is the truth, the full truth, with all known facts. Nothing more. |
Thanks for that post, Ian.
It does make things a little clearer. Jetblu, he does say that it was published in his March 2016 column in FLYER. |
Okay, okay, okay.... The people who appear to have a first hand interest in this sub topic (which I really can't follow easily anyway) seem to each have had an opportunity to express their thoughts. To be honest, I can't see where the disagreement is (but for heaven's sake, please don't explain it to me!) - the points made seem to me to be largely in agreement. (Solo = alone in the plane, and awards should be truly deserved to be accepted).
So all is at peace.... right? Can we call it a day on this tangent of the topic? Please....? Discussion of new thoughts on the main topic still welcomed - thread still opened, for now.... Thanks, a moderator! |
More Romeo Tango type dits please!
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ARTHUR BUTLER .. . in 1932 flew solo England-Austrlia in the tiny single-seat Comper Swift. lent to him by Nicholas Comper. He did it (one magazine article was headed THE BUTLER DID IT) in a record 9 days . Since he went to such extremes to keep his payload to the bare minimum he even wore carpet slippers .. . . hence the media given name upon completion of the flight - THE CARPET SLIPPER AIRMAN. (At an airfield on the outskirts of Sydney not long after his long flight some thieving mongrel reached into his open cockpit when no one was looking and stole his slippers.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQWU00ub9ow |
Stanwell,
They're not all like that. On "Military Aviation" Forum, there is a new Thread "Woman Hawg driver"on which I've just Posted. Thread is worth a look. Danny42C. |
Unfortunately, I was brought up to be a man of principle and conscience. Then, I mainly blame my parents and educators for that. Time in the aviation industry futher honed it. “Sarcasm?” “It’s from the Greek, sarkasmos. To bite the lips. It means that you aren’t really saying what you mean, but people will get your point. I invented it, Bartholomew named it.” “Well, if the village idiot named it, I’m sure it’s a good thing.” “There you go, you got it.” “Got what?” “Sarcasm.” “No, I meant it.” “Sure you did.” “Is that sarcasm?” “Irony, I think.” “What’s the difference?” “I haven’t the slightest idea.” “So you’re being ironic now, right?” “No, I really don’t know.” “Maybe you should ask the idiot.” “Now you’ve got it.” “What?” “Sarcasm.” ― Christopher Moore, Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal |
UK to Australia alone in 9 days 84 years ago is amazing.
Without modern oils,radio,GPS or a support crew. No soft upholstery or modern clothing. Butler went on to be a true Australian aviation pioneer. His achievment makes modern day so called adventurers a joke. He ran his own aviation company from 1934 to 1959. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...6_edited-2.jpg Sadly after a long service life it was scrapped. Viscount c/n 97 operational record http://www.aussieairliners.org/visco...t/0129.374.jpg He bought a couple of Viscounts and ran regional flights in Australia in the post war era. The Arthur Butler Memorial Aerodrome and terminal buildings hold a unique place in the history of commercial aviation in New South Wales. The aerodrome was the base and an operating hub of the highly successful airlines operated by pioneer aviator Arthur Butler between 1938 and 1957. As the Yeo Airport this was Australia’s first registered regional airport. The aerodrome has direct associations with Arthur Butler OBE, founder of Butler Air Transport Company and Butler Air Services Pty Ltd, pioneer Australian aviator and holder of the record for a solo flight between England and Australia. Within living memory the Yeo Airport served as a regional transport hub. The community of Tooraweenah holds the aerodrome and its buildings in very high regard, maintaining the buildings and grounds, and organizing the Arthur Butler Memorial Fly In each year. |
Fantome ... :D
After I'd typed it, I looked at it and thought .. nah, I'll leave it and see who picks up on it. p.s. To my eyes, a beacon of propriety and principle was the late Sid Marshall - a quiet achiever, an inspiration and no mean aviator himself. It didn't make him rich - but I'm sure he sleeps well on cloud #9 these days. . |
Danny, your #406.
Yes, I had read that article, thanks. Quite a girl - and with a great attitude. |
Tracey Curtis-Taylor (Merged threads)
Hello everyone, I have merged these threads, as the discussion topics have seemed to merge themselves anyway. Please continue the discussion on this thread, respecting the previous requests with respect to the nature of posts.
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Butler went on to be a true Australian aviation pioneer |
So, what great adventure would the gathered brethren undertake? It could be a reenactment or something new. Personally, I would love to do a circuit of South America, including the Falklands. Aircraft of choice would be a Cub (or 21st century rip-off).
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