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Old 5th Feb 2019, 18:51
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Originally Posted by Armchairflyer View Post
Know a chap at my airfield who has his PPL for several years now and regularly does just this (on his own), rarely going beyond visual distance from the airfield. As already observed in previous posts, when you have your PPL, a) you can decide whether you just want to be up in the air without actually going anywhere (with minimum preparation hassle except for the technical preflight checks), b) navigation will become much less of a stressful burden and even when going someplace, "looking out the window and really appreciating what you're doing" will soon become the usual state of affairs.
Extending that thought...

...if you like handling, you might just be a sucker for Aeros. A quick lesson where you fly some will tell you straight away if you’ve got that bug in you.

I did.

Whilst I was pleased to manage/scrape through the nav stuff, I knew drilling holes wasn’t my thing (respect, of course, to those who can do complex nav off pat).

So I pushed on with getting the license ‘finished’, knowing where my goal was. After that, Aeros training, stuck to good weather, local Aeros flights, no nav stress at all, and a big grin for the very modest 40 minutes cost.

If it sounds interesting to you, try it once. It could be a turning point.

(not withstanding lots of other equally good thoughts on the thread)
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 11:49
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Originally Posted by Dan09 View Post
Hi all
I'm asking myself whether I really need a stressful hobby when I've already got a stressful enough job. Coupled with this is the fact that this part of the course is time consuming, particularly when you factor in the pre-flight planning.
Maybe the first time I say this to anyone but your post would suggest it may really be a good idea to cut your losses and stop doing something you obviously do not find to be what you expected or which contributes to further stress.

I think the above statement quoted is the one which would make me take a very honest stock of where you are in your life and question whether you will want to continue pursuing a hobby which is quite time consuming at the best of times. Generally, I see a lot of people quit flying even after they have their licenses who fit your profile, primarily for the lack of time and due to the fact that when they can take off time from their job they need to really unwind and relax, not to do something else which may be enjoyable but stressful at the same time.

The question is if you want to finish your license first, as licenses are something you have for life, as opposed to ratings. If you finish the license, you will be able to count your flight hours and license if you ever come back to it after retirement or in a less stressful phase of your life, all it will take then is to revalidate your rating. If you stop altogether before reaching your license, you will most likely find you have to redo everything you have done before if you ever want to come back, theoretical exams for sure.

But if you really see it as you do, another stress added to an already stressful life, I would really consider to take a maybe unpopluar decision and call it a day.

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Old 6th Feb 2019, 11:55
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I never liked nav. It didnt help that I learnt on an air quadron where we couldnt choose the instrutor (the boss was horrible to fly with and if you werent doing it right would just pile on the pressure even more, which in my case just made me fly even worse!)
28 years after i got my ppl, is still dont do much nav. pretty much all aerobatics or bimbling about for an hour or so in the local area with sat nav and some fairly simple pre flight planning. but importantly I can do it if i need to.
Joy of aeros, turn up, check notams for a specific area, have an idea which airfield you'll go if your one is shut by an accident and get flying. once you're up, go to said area, pick a field in case the donk stops and have fun. You dont even need to worry too much about weather as basically if its going to worry the A to B'ers, its already no good for aero's
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Old 10th Feb 2019, 10:49
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Thanks everyone for your input. I wasn't expecting so many replies - very much appreciated. Plenty to think about, and also reassuring to know that there other people out who struggled with navigation during training!

Just picking out a few questions/suggestions:
  • Instructors: I don't really have a problem with any of them, though some make it more enjoyable than others (I'm training for a PPL for a hobby, with no intention of going down the commercial route - if I wanted to be berated I would stay in work longer!). They all obviously have their own styles, but this I think is more the problem - I've had two different instructors for the navs so far, and I think five or six throughout my training. I'm told to push to have the same 1/2 instructors, but even when I demand it things seem to get changed at the last minute without me knowing, and it almost becomes pot luck who I'll have on the day - not sure if all flying schools operate this way?
  • Other students: I know the names and faces of a few other students, but I don't really feel like I've got any "peers", and perhaps this is an issue. Maybe all I'm experiencing are the stressful parts of learning and none of the more fun parts. I once had the opportunity to back-seat on another student's lesson (PFLs) and found it really helpful, not just from a learning perspective but also to gauge where I was at at that time in my training. Maybe I'll look for more opportunities to do this. I also like the suggestion re. the LAA - I'll look into this.
  • Aeros: I'd never really thought about this, but it makes sense. My flying school does offer aeros lessons, so I've got myself signed up in a few weeks time to give it a go.
At this stage I'm thinking I'll get the theory exams finished (got a couple more to do) while the weather is temperamental, and maybe go out for an off-syllabus jolly or two before I crack on with the lessons.

Thanks again.
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Old 10th Feb 2019, 19:09
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How do you feel about navigation in a car? In mountains, if you go walking there? At sea, if you sail offshore? I found the more different types of navigation I did the more I enjoyed it and the better I got at it.

Also, does the mere prospect of being out of the circuit worry you even if you know exactly where you are?
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 00:14
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It's good to know you have some ideas in mind, now. I know that for me, had I not connected with the fun side (LAA/vintage in my case), - the people - I'd have given up within a year or two.

Good luck.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 20:42
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Originally Posted by Dan09 View Post
(I'm training for a PPL for a hobby, with no intention of going down the commercial route -!).
That puts you ahead of the game Dan09 ! Flying is a brilliant hobby/pastime , your above statement is your get-out clause and it puts you out of the rat-race , so learn to fly at your leisure !....

I have spent most of my working life working professionally in the airline industry [ but not as a pilot ] and I can tell you that many guys who fly professionally actually do become disconnected with the grass-roots side of flying and it makes them all the poorer for it .
A lot of the syllabus [re: nav.] probably is a bit dated these days , but it is all good gen . The one consolation though is that there are so many electronic tablet devices around these days that make nav. so much easier . But try and digest as much of the traditional nav. methods that you can because they are the ones that can get you out of trouble if you become stranded in the 'CAA desert'.
For my own part ; I found and still do find the traditional methods of navigation to be absolutely fascinating . The one part of my PPL exams that I hated though were the meteorological exams and I still have trouble getting my head around 'Met' now - nearly 30yrs on .
I normally start by getting a 'broad-brush' view on the BBC website and take it from there ...

So don't worry Dan , we're all still learning ,,,,,and when you find the guy who knows it all ? Don't worry ,,,,he's lying .

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Old 12th Feb 2019, 09:43
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Dan, as others have said, the learning is all part of the fun, you're still flying.
Like you, I had many instructors, 11 in total! and in hindsight I could've shaved at least 20 hours off my total just from the overlap every time I had a new instructor. It took me two years to gain my PPL, but I didn't care, I took the view that it's my hobby and will still be my hobby when I eventually got my licence. I don't regret the time and all the hours it took to achieve that as it was all fun....even when it wasn't! (if that makes sense).
I too struggled with navigation, i'd be enjoying myself and the view outside so much that i'd forget to actually check the DI, or basic errors like inadvertently turning whilst looking down at the map, only to look up and not recognise where I was. Its something I laugh about now, but was frustrating at the time...and I doubted myself because of it too. But slowly and carefully, I analysed what I was doing wrong each time and worked on it.

There is no need to put any other pressure on yourself other than your desire to eventually gain your PPL.. it doesn't matter how long it takes or how many hours go in your logbook. it's all flying!!!!!
I hope you stick with it, it's one of the best things I've ever done in my life....if wife and kids is 1st and 2nd place, then flying definitely competes for 3rd !
Good luck.

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Old 12th Feb 2019, 10:24
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Dan, just adding to what I wrote earlier. Navigation is a means to an end; you need it to get somewhere. Yesterday my wife & I flew to Halfpenny Green for lunch and met some lovely like-minded pilots. Navigation (in the real world) is rather easy. Apart from following the M5 from Gloucester to Halfpenny Green, we had a map with a line on it (took 5 seconds to do), a PLOG produced by SkyDemon and 3 separate Sat Nav (yes really). We were not going to get lost. OK, so as an ex RAF pilot/nav instructor I can navigate by map & stopwatch. In fact I used to in my Hawker Hunter at 420 knots. But here is the rub; it is so easy these days with sat nav. Nice to just look out the window and admire the scenery and watch out for any conflictions. OK, sat nav can go wrong, so you need a back-up plan. Mine is to carry more than one and anyway, they rarely fail. Finally, you personally navigate all the time. You go to the shops, you go to the bathroom, to work, etc. Any problems? I thought not. Same with flying. Just get thro the licence then all will be well.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 10:27
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Originally Posted by Chris Martyr View Post

So don't worry Dan , we're all still learning ,,,,,and when you find the guy who knows it all ? Don't worry ,,,,he's lying .
Very true. I know lots, forgot lots, but I don't know it all. And I learn something new each day. That is half the fun of it all.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 20:48
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Well ,,I hope that Dan feels as enlightened as I do after having read the posts on here .
I reckon the contributors should all pat themselves on the back for all the positive and encouraging inputs . It just shows the good side of forums and pilot forums can be a bit of a snake-pit , even at the best of times .

I only joined this forum in response to a somewhat negative & controversial campaign that was going on in 2016 , so for me , being able to encourage someone to take up wings and fly is a big, big plus .

So,,,@ Dan09,,hopefully we'll see you back here in a year or two as a seasoned and cynical old sage ?

Our work will be done ...
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 01:43
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I blame most of the Navigation Instruction on the attitude that you must be able to fly a heading for a certain time and drop your bombs accurately on the Ruhr Valley, in zero visibility. Then turn around and be back at base for evening tea and scones. The world has moved on in leaps and bounds but the PPL syllabus has remained stuck in a time-warp.
We have three well defined landmarks near our airfield, and the coast is not too far away, so it is relatively easy to know exactly where we are, even without looking at the chart. Once you have your PPL, one of your best purchases will be a GPS, most pilots wouldn't (or couldn't) fly without one. Also unless you are studying for your CPL, there is no need to follow the magenta line.
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