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Old 14th Jan 2017, 09:05
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How much further ahead off the departure end of 29 is the railroad, power lines and village she was turning to avoid ?
Google Earth is your friend.

Crash site is about 600 metres off the end of 29.

There is no village I can see off the centre line, there is a couple of settlements one at about 30 degrees off the centre line and another about 45 degrees off the centre line. The closest one is the one at 45 degrees at just under 1 nm

The railway is 1.7 nm from the threshold, so well past the crash site.

From the position of the crash site I doubt she was avoiding either a village or railway line.

There does appear to be a single wire power line across the takeoff path at around 750 metres from the departure end of 29 (11 threshold). It's possible she could have been avoiding this.
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Old 14th Jan 2017, 09:34
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The transcript of the Honorary Degree does match what was said in the video - doesn't this make the missing emails (#3301) even more significant ? Can't wait to see if SWB gets a reply to his follow-up request.
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Old 14th Jan 2017, 10:32
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She happily boasted about low and dangerous flying and posted many pictures to illustrate the point. I guess the intention was to spice up the film they were making with a bit of drama and adventure.



However HCAP and the others who have feted her just turned a blind eye as she basked in their admiration and turned on her undoubtable feminine charm.

In contrast this old pilot....


Will never find himself posing in the RAF Club with the the top eschelons of flying society.


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I have been hovering in the background since the start of this thread. I have nothing to add, it has all been said. But a gong for SATCO may your enquiries continue Sir.

The 'wings' irritate me most of all.


The prang reminds me of a certain accident involving a member of The Royal Family. Perhaps there was a bit of a bust up about if the Captain and owner should take over or not. PMT?!
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The wings probably come from the RAF Club in London. TCT seems to be a regular visitor there as seen from the above pictures.

Highly respected UK ex military pilot Rick Peacock Edwards appears in both pictures above and not surprisingly he is still involved in aviation.
Since leaving the service Air Commodore Peacock-Edwards has worked in the aviation industry and has been actively involved in the work of the Honourable Company of Air Pilots of which he is a Past Master and current Chairman of its Trophies and Awards Committee. He is also the Chairman of the Aviation Focus Group, the Board of Trustees of the International Air Cadets Training Organisation and of the Imperial War Museum Duxford Flying Control Committee. He is Vice Chairman of the RAF Club and President of the Historic Aircraft Association.


Air Commodore R S Peacock-Edwards CBE AFC FRAeS FCIM has been the Chairman of the General Aviation Safety Council since 12 June 2012.


As the Chairman of the Council, Rick is delighted to have the opportunity to take GASCo still further forward in its important work of saving lives in General Aviation.
Perhaps he can offer some advice to Tracey next time they meet. Destroying both a parked R44 and a crashing a Stearman in just nine both plus claims of low flying and scud running are worth highlighting the the next GASCO bulletin. If they give awards she deserves one for two lucky escapes.

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Old 14th Jan 2017, 11:41
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I have been hovering in the background since the start of this thread. I have nothing to add, it has all been said. But a gong for SATCO may your enquiries continue Sir.

The 'wings' irritate me most of all.


The prang reminds me of a certain accident involving a member of The Royal Family. Perhaps there was a bit of a bust up about if the Captain and owner should take over or not. PMT?!
Thank you for the support and honorary recommendation but I would have to decline any reward or gong. This has not been a solo effort and it would be disingenuous of me to take any credit.

I noted earlier that someone commented about being obsessed by this. In my case that is not so even though it may seem that way. Early enquiries generated a good number of "contacts" who have been helping me and providing a lot of valuable information which I feel obliged to share with those far more knowledge than I.

Information comes in, I check it, I verify it if necessary, and I publish it.
Keep the info coming
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Old 14th Jan 2017, 12:26
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With respect to TCT's claims of flying at 10 or 15 ft above the sea/land whilst observing wildlife, and flying within a half-wingspan of cliffs, I have not yet seen any photographs of her flying the Stearman with those separations. Therefore, did she actually fly those conditions or was what was reported by her an exaggeration in an ill-conceived attempt, perhaps, to impress? To fly those conditions safely is a precise flying task and one would not expect an 'average' pilot to have the ability to do so. Also, unless the pilot has considerable practise and/or a suitably knowledgeable external observer then judgement of these distances is unlikely to be accurate and there is a tendency to have greater actual separations than those estimated.
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With respect to TCT's claims of flying at 10 or 15 ft above the sea/land whilst observing wildlife, and flying within a half-wingspan of cliffs, I have not yet seen any photographs of her flying the Stearman with those separations. Therefore, did she actually fly those conditions or was what was reported by her an exaggeration in an ill-conceived attempt, perhaps, to impress? To fly those conditions safely is a precise flying task and one would not expect an 'average' pilot to have the ability to do so. Also, unless the pilot has considerable practise and/or a suitably knowledgeable external observer then judgement of these distances is unlikely to be accurate and there is a tendency to have greater actual separations than those estimated.
If a picture paints a thousand words, how many will a video paint?


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Old 14th Jan 2017, 12:50
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If a picture paints a thousand words, how many will a video paint?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJSox0kv4oo
And again she was not flying SOLO during that low level flying, if you watch carefully a head and a hand come in to view from the front seat of the Stearman I also think Ewald speaks over the intercom at one point.
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Old 14th Jan 2017, 13:15
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Above The Clouds,

You mean they had an intercom ? In my day ('41-'2), we throttled back the Stearman and shouted at each other !

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What made me chuckle was the bit at 1:05... "I've got very good peripheral vision now". So I guess it has changed since the Robinson at Goodwood snook up on her.
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She should thank her lucky stars the Flamingoes have good peripheral vision too!
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Listening to her breathless description of her flying, she's GA's answer to Barbara Cartland !
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Listening to her breathless description of her flying, she's GA's answer to Barbara Cartland !
She calls it "Inspirational Speaking"
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Old 14th Jan 2017, 14:00
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SWB,

Point taken - I hadn't seen that video. However, the Stearman did not appear to be quite as low as some of the claims. Regardless, it is totally crass to fly so low over large flocks of birds and risk a birdstrike, not to mention the immorality and irresponsibility of potentially killing wildlife in the process. In this respect, the Cub pilot was even more culpable.
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Agreed Above the Clouds. Two heads clearly visible at 3 12 and 3 58. And if anyone has the ability to zoom in on the video I suspect Ewald is present in the other shots as well. I am also interested in the multiple shots from the backward facing camera. TCT's upper body position, her upper arms and shoulders seem in a strange position for someone actually flying a non hydraulic biplane. It appears, but I am sure she can put us right, that she is merely a passenger as opposed to a display pilot with an engineer in the front seat. whatever next?
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Do you think every once in a while shes dying to say " Go on Ewald let me have a shot, pleeeeeeeeeease"
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In the low flying formation video at 3:03 ish it appears that HER left hand is on the top of the coaming i.e. not on the throttle - formation flying ?
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In the low flying formation video at 3:03 ish it appears that HER left hand is on the top of the coaming i.e. not on the throttle - formation flying ?
Military trained then😉
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Old 14th Jan 2017, 16:28
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The hand appears to me to be beyond the top of the cockpit coaming. I would suggest that is the person in the front seat either adjusting the focus/zoom or supporting a camera lens.
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