cut up licence or not?

[Pilot.Lyons]

Originally Posted by dubbleyew eight

if you arent allowed to cut the english licence are you allowed to fold it into a paper aeroplane?

This is true, surely this must be classed as defacing it according to some!

DONT fold it as common sense may tell you! This must be defacing too!

Is laminating it ok in case i get dust on it? Dont want to deface i and invalidate it.....
Yes my comments are pathetic and childish but so are some of the stupid rules

[Pilot.Lyons]

In England we have a tendency to just "follow the herd" or "go along with it"

If i had enough money to try and fight it i would, but I don't, finding money to rent a plane is hard enough at the moment. (Another reason why I'm annoyed at having to possibly cough up another load of cash for a sophisticated piece of paper.)

[wb9999]

Pilot.Lyons, I have a lot of sympathy for the situation you are in. I obtained my EASA licence the week after they were introduced and I, luckily, saw the document that the CAA produced regarding the transition (http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/2330/Webre...kguide__v2.pdf). Page 21 advises "Caution. Pilots are not permitted to cut up their licence as its format and layout is stipulated by EASA regulations." Had I not seen that then I would have been inclined to cut mine also.

My licence came with a card with information about the new licence but it doesn't say don't cut it. It does have a link to a CAA web page which then has a link to the above document. But they don't make it easy to find the info.

[Pilot.Lyons]

Thanks wb999 mine was just an empty folder no card at all and the paper licence with receipt for payment.

So annoyed at such a silly rule. With all the important things to worry about in the world and there are silly meaningless rules like this ripping people off.

I may calm down in a month or two

[Pilot.Lyons]

I still have my jar ppl so i guess thats still valid to show an inspector up until january anyway?

Especially as its the same licence number on it

[wb9999]

Personally, I wouldn't worry about it. If you get asked for your licence by a CAA inspector I don't think you're going to get hauled before the courts. He/she might tell you that you shouldn't have done it and to get a replacement, but I would be shocked if anything more happened. At least that's what I would expect from someone using common sense. I don't know how much common sense CAA employees are allowed to use or if they have to do everything by the book.

[RedsBluesGreens]

I actually travelled down to the CAA last year to get my EASA licence. I was handed it in its pure, unfolded state and not once did anyone tell me 'not to cut it up', or to fold it. It is symbolic of an organisation that can't be bothered to be helpful.

[cockney steve]

For goodness sake, the bloody thing is just a L@ser printout.

stick the sections to a sheet of A4 with "pritt-stick" or equivalent, photocopy, erase "cut" lines , if they show, , rinse and repeat for obverse, if that's printed as well.....whole operation should take under 15 minutes and end result will be indistinguishable from the Belgrano original

If you have access to an "all-in -one" you can scan the "pages" into your 'puter, reassemble and then print the saved masterpiece as many times as you like....same end-result, just a different route. a duplex printer will do both sides simultaneously, saving having to manually feed the copy in for the "back2 to be printed.

just do it, , fold and retain , together with the cut -up one.....if a Jobsworth spits their dummy at the cut one, let them rant, then calmly tell them it's a copy and produce the folded "original" that'll really screw their two braincells together.

[Pilot.Lyons]

Haha sounds like a plan!

You probably wouldn't believe me if i told you my all in one has decided to tell me my ink is no longer compatible and wont register any at all!

Bad timing eh? But yes ill do that thanks for the tips and advance (and fellow ranters)

I have calmed slightly

[S-Works]

Why should the uk be any different? Again why make the folders 1/8 of an a4 sheet? Is it a deliberate way of catching people out to get more money from duplicate copies being ordered? If so then a copy is as good as cut one surely?

How about this for thinking outside the PPL box, each page in the folder holds a folded A4 sheet. If your career grows you can add the extra ratings and the the revalidation pages. In the case of my licence I have 14 ratings to renew which means I am already onto additional revalidation pages. My medical fits in one, my 4 pages of examiner approvals fit into the next 4 so that's 7 of the plastic pages accounted for.

Perhaps giving the CAA a little credit for advance planning might be worth it.

As for the rest of Europe, I am approved as an examiner for 9 countries currently and everyone of them clearly states a cut licence is invalid and I am not permitted to sign it.

[Fuji Abound]

I currently hold licenses for five countries and come to think of it five continents, and that is on the basis that Europe is one country. I have lost count of the ratings.

I have happily divided mine up c'se life is far to short to worry about such trivia, and I am not too bothered because if they don't like one license, there are a few more to fall back on.

[Blues&twos]

Here's a queztion then. You are asked to show your licence by an official. As you unfold it, you accidentally tear it. Are you then not technically allowed to fly your aircraft any further as the licence is now "invalid"? Sounds completely mental.

[A and C]

EASA Common sense............no chance !!!!!!n

I personally think that the licence is optimized for deviding into the plastic wallet that it is issued with and common sense would be on your side if you did so.

The problem comes when you are in the bottom end of Europe with your aircraft and the Half witted EASA jobsworth tells you that he is not letting you fly with a license that has been devided in the intended way.

Now cutting up the Licence no mater how sensible it seemed at the time is a major pain in the aft section........... And there as we no is no point in arguing with idiots and drunks!!!

[Desert185]

powerless:

"No photo on an FAA plastic card licence either. Was told I have to have my passport with me as well to be legal."

FAA requires a government issued photo ID to be presented with your FAA license (driver's license is OK). Your mileage in the UK may vary, however.

[hoodie]

Originally Posted by A and C

The problem comes when you are in the bottom end of Europe with your aircraft and the Half witted EASA jobsworth tells you that he is not letting you fly with a license that has been devided in the intended way.

That's no way to speak of a SkyGod with 14 pages of Ratings and 4 pages of Examiner approvals for 9 countries

Actually, perhaps that's a bit harsh. On reflection, I think that if you don't have the MindReader Rating, then perhaps EASA are quite right to crack down hard.

[Tinstaafl]

For about 10-15 years Oz used to have a credit card plastic licence that was damned convenient to carry in one's wallet with one's medical - until some ******** or group of dickheads in CASA decided that wouldn't do anymore . Before the plastic licence even the old style book licence was smaller and easier to carry than the current clumsy incarnation .

[Pilot.Lyons]

Originally Posted by bose-x

Why should the uk be any different? Again why make the folders 1/8 of an a4 sheet? Is it a deliberate way of catching people out to get more money from duplicate copies being ordered? If so then a copy is as good as cut one surely?

How about this for thinking outside the PPL box, each page in the folder holds a folded A4 sheet. If your career grows you can add the extra ratings and the the revalidation pages. In the case of my licence I have 14 ratings to renew which means I am already onto additional revalidation pages. My medical fits in one, my 4 pages of examiner approvals fit into the next 4 so that's 7 of the plastic pages accounted for.

Then why make it 1/8 of an a4 sheet and not the same size as the previous brown licence folder?

Come on.... Can no one see my bloody point???

[aerobat]

My CAA EASA license came like everyone else's as one sheet. I then sent it to Dublin to exchange for an Irish one and that arrived all cut up and already inserted in the booklet pages.

[BEagle]

Yes, the IAA decided that a licence which was issued in pre-cut sections would be OK, but one which came in a single sheet and was subsequently cut into sections by the licence holder wouldn't be. A rather neat solution.

Other Member States have filed exemptions and have simply produced licences which fit the previous folders - as far as I'm aware it's only the UK CAA which uses a single 16-section double-sided A4 sheet... No doubt that's to save cost and is a bureacrat's solution which doesn't help anyone.

Oh - except for skygods, I guess....

[mad_jock]

Anyone fancy chipping in to buy the CAA a guillotine or a new printer?

I get the feeling the IAA and the CAA are in a pissing contest with each other. Apart form the French which it is pretty much SOP for them to decide to do the opposite of what everyone else does. Its always the IAA that seems to invent stuff to piss everyone off.

The lads that transfer over for Ryanair get a heap of hassles with keeping ratings etc current. Its as if they want them all just to be CPl/ATPL with one 737 rating on there tickets.

I know one lad that had his FI removed because his SEP wasn't valid. He had sent the SEP revalidation form in at the same time. That was bounced for some reason, FI gone and is now being told he has to do a test with an Irish examiner before he can get it back for both SEP and FI. And your not allowed to combine them.