cut up licence or not?
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I get the feeling the IAA and the CAA are in a pissing contest with each other. Apart form the French which it is pretty much SOP for them to decide to do the opposite of what everyone else does. Its always the IAA that seems to invent stuff to piss everyone off.
The lads that transfer over for Ryanair get a heap of hassles with keeping ratings etc current. Its as if they want them all just to be CPl/ATPL with one 737 rating on there tickets.
I know one lad that had his FI removed because his SEP wasn't valid. He had sent the SEP revalidation form in at the same time. That was bounced for some reason, FI gone and is now being told he has to do a test with an Irish examiner before he can get it back for both SEP and FI. And your not allowed to combine them.
The lads that transfer over for Ryanair get a heap of hassles with keeping ratings etc current. Its as if they want them all just to be CPl/ATPL with one 737 rating on there tickets.
I know one lad that had his FI removed because his SEP wasn't valid. He had sent the SEP revalidation form in at the same time. That was bounced for some reason, FI gone and is now being told he has to do a test with an Irish examiner before he can get it back for both SEP and FI. And your not allowed to combine them.
The IAA do indeed issue pages for the ratings, all neatly pre-cut and printed to 1/8th A4 as EASA directed and stowed properly in the palstic wallet. How is that being in a pissing contest? More likely it's the CAA being obstructive.
What needs to be remembered here is that EASA make the rules, it's not (supposed to be) up to each individual authority to decide.
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More likely it's the CAA being obstructive.
And there is years of history in both organisations. And the end user is never considered while it all plays out.
It will be if we can give our pilots chopped up licenses so should they. So we won't accept them if they are chopped up by the end user.
They should really have some EASA ombudsman at the HQ so when your local authority are being difficult you can fire it into them and they can sort it out one way or the other.
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EASA don't say what sort of photo id is required though. Did one of the video rental places not used to to do a photo ID?
Also - you have to carry your licence (and medical, and photo id) on every flight now in EASA land
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How about this for thinking outside the PPL box, each page in the folder holds a folded A4 sheet. If your career grows you can add the extra ratings and the the revalidation pages. In the case of my licence I have 14 ratings to renew which means I am already onto additional revalidation pages. My medical fits in one, my 4 pages of examiner approvals fit into the next 4 so that's 7 of the plastic pages accounted for.
Perhaps giving the CAA a little credit for advance planning might be worth it.
As for the rest of Europe, I am approved as an examiner for 9 countries currently and everyone of them clearly states a cut licence is invalid and I am not permitted to sign it.
Perhaps giving the CAA a little credit for advance planning might be worth it.
As for the rest of Europe, I am approved as an examiner for 9 countries currently and everyone of them clearly states a cut licence is invalid and I am not permitted to sign it.
Why are you trying to defend the indefensible?
Some idiot bureaucrat with too much time on their hands and nothing better to do than think up daft ideas made a stupid decision, it happens.
It doesn't mean we have to accept it without moaning, or nothing wrong would ever get put right.
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cut up licence or not?
Does anyone know how much it would cost to get another copy by any chance? Don't have time to trawl through the caa jungle
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you would have though they would have collected enough by now to buy a new printer or a guillotine at 46 quid a pop.
Then we can all get a proper license like the rest of Europe.
Remember its free to change your address
Then we can all get a proper license like the rest of Europe.
Remember its free to change your address
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FFS.... just stick the pieces to a backing-paper with Pritt-stick......L@ser photocopy, turn over pieces and copy, then repeat.....erase cut-lines on copy, if required.
I'd defy any NORMAL oik to challenge you that this is not an original......and they don't have the authority to sieze your paper and send it for forensic analysis to see if it's a L@ser-copy of a L@ser print/
keep the pieces in the wallet and claim that THEY are the copy.
A Jobsworth would have to be very bored indeed to pursue the possible violation of an arcane, pointless technical infringement of a rule that has dubious legal standing in the first place.
GO AND FLY Fxx the beaurocrats, play them at their own stupid incompetent games.
I'd defy any NORMAL oik to challenge you that this is not an original......and they don't have the authority to sieze your paper and send it for forensic analysis to see if it's a L@ser-copy of a L@ser print/
keep the pieces in the wallet and claim that THEY are the copy.
A Jobsworth would have to be very bored indeed to pursue the possible violation of an arcane, pointless technical infringement of a rule that has dubious legal standing in the first place.
GO AND FLY Fxx the beaurocrats, play them at their own stupid incompetent games.
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One of the reasons that aviation has become one of the safest forms of transport for the masses is that there is observance of the rules.
As a Commercial Pilot I often find it frustrating but those rules exist for a purpose. If we start ignoring the inconvenient petty ones at what point do we start ignoring the inconvenient safety critical ones?
If you don't like the rules then put together a case and submit a rulemaking change. The system does work, I submitted a rule making change to EASA and it's being agreed and implemented.
I shan't be doing it for the format of the licence as its beyond ludicrous to sit and complain that you don't like the format. It's a piece of paper that serves a purpose, nothing more.
As a Commercial Pilot I often find it frustrating but those rules exist for a purpose. If we start ignoring the inconvenient petty ones at what point do we start ignoring the inconvenient safety critical ones?
If you don't like the rules then put together a case and submit a rulemaking change. The system does work, I submitted a rule making change to EASA and it's being agreed and implemented.
I shan't be doing it for the format of the licence as its beyond ludicrous to sit and complain that you don't like the format. It's a piece of paper that serves a purpose, nothing more.
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One of the reasons that aviation has become one of the safest forms of transport for the masses is that there is observance of the rules.
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"One of the reasons that aviation has become one of the safest forms of transport for the masses is that there is observance of the rules."
Sorry, but that argument doesn't work in this case. This is purely an admin red-tape bureaucratic nonsense, that has no relevance to safety at all.
"It's a piece of paper that serves a purpose, nothing more."
Absolutely, the paper is irrelevant, and so is dividing it up to fit the supplied wallet.......
Sorry, but that argument doesn't work in this case. This is purely an admin red-tape bureaucratic nonsense, that has no relevance to safety at all.
"It's a piece of paper that serves a purpose, nothing more."
Absolutely, the paper is irrelevant, and so is dividing it up to fit the supplied wallet.......
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