cut up licence or not?
 

Hi all

I have received my ppl conversion to easa and it came in an envelope with a blue folder with numerous sleeves and then printed on an a4 piece of paper my licence.

The licence pages were numbered and just so happened to be the same size pages as the sleeves.

So one naturally cuts the pages to fit the wallet sleeves.

Whilst browsing i have seen some people saying its no
longer valid??

Is this true? If so why did it not contain a note stating so? It certainly looked as though cutting it to fit would be the next course of action.
I just though they couldn't be bothered to do it!

If its the case that its invalidated would i be charged an extortionate fee to have it re issued? (Please say no)

Cutting it up invalidates it. It is designed to fold up and fit in a single plastic pocket. As you add more bits of paper they all fold up and fit in the subsequent pages.

According to the CAA/EASA, cutting it up does indeed invalidate it and you would need to pay to get a replacement, not sure what the fee is.

Mine did also come with a little card in the front pocket with a note saying not to cut up the license - didn't you get anything similar?

There is instructions on the CAA site about not cutting it up.

And if you tell them you have yes they will charge you money for a replacement.

Change of address is still currently free I believe ;)

cut up licence or not?
 

Thanks for the replies.

I didnt get any note/card advising not to cut it up.

Just feel a bit robbed. I dont have time to cross reference my moves with a caa website search so think they could have just made it clearer.

Thanks mad jock im going to move soon ;)

I had no card either. :/ Didn't find out my license was invalid until during my type rating. Had to get a new one. :(

I seem to recall in my Air Law days that any mutilation or alteration of any aviation licencing
document was illegal and invalidating.
Must be getting old!

cut up licence or not?
 

Well its not really mutilation if i am simply dividing the numbered pages on a guillotine to fit the sleeves in the wallet they provided me with.
Yes i understand what was said previously about they sleeves are designed to be used for each document folded but why make the sleeves and pages the same size?
Coincidence or a deliberate way of making more money by setting people up to fail?
Pudoc how much did it cost for another?

Nope it all comes down to the fact the CAA didn't want to buy a new printer which the rest of Europe has done.

Every where else their licenses are the perfect size to fit the EASA wallets.

There licenses are printed on decent paper as well and concertina up nicely and fit.

Not for us the CAA wants to use a standard A4 laser printer so all the pilots have to put up with a pain in the backside bit of A4 paper which doesn't fit that's printed on thin paper.

cut up licence or not?
 

Typical.

I thinks its ridiculous... I am so angry. Not sure if its because i fell for the trap.

I would like someone from the caa to come chat about it on here. Hear it from the inside

Not a chance in hell would they go anywhere and justify what they do unless pulled in front of a House of Parliament committee.

The will trump up some rubbish about data protection or security prevents them for doing anything or saying anything.

Oh yes.... Why cant anything just be simple.

Life's to short

Couldn't make this up, could you???

Don't get the obsession some have with their licence.

Mine sits in my flight bag until I need to get something re-val'ed or a man from the CAA asks to see it.

I don't care what it looks like. A plastic card like the FAA one would suit me much better, takes up less real estate!

If you have a colour photocopier just put all the bits back together and photocopy it. Who'll know the difference?
My intention when I get an EASA licence is to photocopy it and cut up the copy for the little folder, then crumple up the original and stuff it in a old condom for when someone gets on their high horse. What a load of b0ll0cks.

Surely you never received it and it must have been lost, with shed loads of other stuff, in the Post? Enquire when you might be likely receive it.

Bad form? Yes but when playing by the rules has bitten one in the bum, time and time again, it's nice to break even.

Not if you ticked the recorded delivery box on the form, it will have been sent my Special Delivery so they have proof that it's been delivered.

For us old school lot who had paper driving licences I assume folding was the easier option anyway ;)

I assume you photocopy your money as well?

What is the problem, it is designed to go folded into a single page. The medical also folds into the same size. The extra ratings pages also fit. My various examiner pages fit. So that most of the pages used.

The UK are the only ones that supply a folder. Every other CAA I deal with either gives a single clear pocket that holds it folded or nothing at all.

EASA also do not suggest the licence is cut. In fact they state you must observe the local requirement. They do state that defacing the licence invalidates it......

Australian Licence
 

Ours are perforated so they separate easily for the pockets.

Ausralian Licence
 

not only are ours perforated to make separating them easier but each separated page is numbered you get the order right in the wallets.

spare wallets in mine are used for photos.

do you poms still have the rack? if not you should flog some sense into those CAA idiots.