Rough reception at Popham!
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Richard:
Not, by any stretch of the imagination could you honestly say, by ALL accounts.
There are posters on here defending the chap in question.
He had a similar condescending nature about him as well by all accounts
There are posters on here defending the chap in question.
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Fair comment 
edited accordingly.
One sometimes finds that condescending people are defended by similar traits to ones own nature. Off course, I may be proven wrong with any such relationship.
edited accordingly.One sometimes finds that condescending people are defended by similar traits to ones own nature. Off course, I may be proven wrong with any such relationship.
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Admonishment over R/T
Regardless of the personal issues and the posturing:
Read CHIRP 54 (GA) A Contested Departure and take on board the CHIRP comments. In my view this is one of the most valuable pieces of CHIRP feedback in recent years.
Have your arguments about the rights and wrongs in private. Popham has been a great GA airfield as long as I've been flying and is bigger than any individual.
Fly safe
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Read CHIRP 54 (GA) A Contested Departure and take on board the CHIRP comments. In my view this is one of the most valuable pieces of CHIRP feedback in recent years.
Have your arguments about the rights and wrongs in private. Popham has been a great GA airfield as long as I've been flying and is bigger than any individual.
Fly safe
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I read what you say.
I've also just read a very balanced email from the person you've accused of being out of order. He's given a very fair and balanced account of what happened. I will not disclose his account of the events, as he plans to do so himself. All I'd say is, when you're in a hole.....
You might want to fill in a few of the gaps in the story.....
I read what you say.
I've also just read a very balanced email from the person you've accused of being out of order. He's given a very fair and balanced account of what happened. I will not disclose his account of the events, as he plans to do so himself. All I'd say is, when you're in a hole.....
You might want to fill in a few of the gaps in the story.....
I find these 'I know something that you don't know and I'm not telling' posts a tad pathetic.
If OZ's complaint is far out let the A/G bloke tell us so we can make our own minds up.
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OK so when/where will we read this account?
I find these 'I know something that you don't know and I'm not telling' posts a tad pathetic.
If OZ's complaint is far out let the A/G bloke tell us so we can make our own minds up.
I find these 'I know something that you don't know and I'm not telling' posts a tad pathetic.
If OZ's complaint is far out let the A/G bloke tell us so we can make our own minds up.
1. Two other aircraft in the circuit confirmed he hadn't called at all prior to calling Base.
2. He didn't have PPR (which isn't actually required, but why lie about it?).
3. His attitude was rather poor (mentioned by another pilot) and he carved a tight Base leg with no warning, thereby cutting up other aircraft.
4. He only used the last two letters of his call sign, even on first (Base) contact.
5. He said he'd called at Chilbolton but no other aircraft had heard that at all, hence he was asked if his radio was functioning.
Let's not forget, this guy works the radio for many events at Popham each year and has done for donkey's years. The big micro-rally in May has many hundreds of visitors and thousands of radio transmissions. How often have we heard complaints about Popham's radio system???
Exactly.....
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Mono, Regardless of who is right or wrong. Do you agree that a bollocking was administered over the radio? If so, that is the unforgiveable bit, regardless of any wrong doing on the part of anyone.
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Crash,
On the basis that most of what OZ has accused is apparently false, I don't personally believe that a "bollocking" was indeed administered over the radio.
Maybe some stern words were transmitted (which, according to the email were for the benefit of the person he cut up), but with what he did, he deserved it.
Sorry.
On the basis that most of what OZ has accused is apparently false, I don't personally believe that a "bollocking" was indeed administered over the radio.
Maybe some stern words were transmitted (which, according to the email were for the benefit of the person he cut up), but with what he did, he deserved it.
Sorry.
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I am not convinced we are getting the full story here. We have a so-called telling off on air with someone that joined base leg after an initial information call. On air telling offs - if that is what happened - are not acceptable but also, not yet at least, a hanging offence.
We have the suggestion that someone may, or may not, have been cut up in the circuit but we are only hearing this was not a problem from one side.
I can see a lot of hot air being blustered by someone that may well have made a small mistake but is now making a lot of noise that is disproportionate, and sometimes this is a clear sign that someone cannot accept being wrong.
If you were told off on air then that is not acceptable (if that is actually what happened rather than a simple comment about 'where did you come from' being taken the wrong way.)
You tried to take this up with the airfield manager who was not there.
However, you did not write to him, telephone him or email him but instead decided to go public, on a forum that has WAY more listeners than the traffic at Popham, to not only call the radio operator names but also to suggest to people should avoid the airfield. Do you not see that your actions are way more unacceptable than anything that happened at the weekend? You have had every opportunity to deal with this in a businesslike manner but have resorted instead to online insults and an attempt to damage the legitimate business of one of our remaining small airfields.
I am afraid Sir that you have shown your colours. They are not impressive.
I also sincerely hope that I do not come up against your 10,000 hour plus CAA RT examiner version of airmanship. You may think you are an excellent pilot but I think that may be part of the problem.
Popham is a good place but it is not perfect. You sir, are not perfect either.
We have the suggestion that someone may, or may not, have been cut up in the circuit but we are only hearing this was not a problem from one side.
I can see a lot of hot air being blustered by someone that may well have made a small mistake but is now making a lot of noise that is disproportionate, and sometimes this is a clear sign that someone cannot accept being wrong.
If you were told off on air then that is not acceptable (if that is actually what happened rather than a simple comment about 'where did you come from' being taken the wrong way.)
You tried to take this up with the airfield manager who was not there.
However, you did not write to him, telephone him or email him but instead decided to go public, on a forum that has WAY more listeners than the traffic at Popham, to not only call the radio operator names but also to suggest to people should avoid the airfield. Do you not see that your actions are way more unacceptable than anything that happened at the weekend? You have had every opportunity to deal with this in a businesslike manner but have resorted instead to online insults and an attempt to damage the legitimate business of one of our remaining small airfields.
I am afraid Sir that you have shown your colours. They are not impressive.
I also sincerely hope that I do not come up against your 10,000 hour plus CAA RT examiner version of airmanship. You may think you are an excellent pilot but I think that may be part of the problem.
Popham is a good place but it is not perfect. You sir, are not perfect either.
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OK, I wasn't there & if this sorry tale is in fact a bunch of lies as you are implying then I reverse my view.
For an aparently high time pilot/RT examiner to make such remarks incorrectly should, I think, warrant serious investigation.
OK, I wasn't there & if this sorry tale is in fact a bunch of lies as you are implying then I reverse my view.
For an aparently high time pilot/RT examiner to make such remarks incorrectly should, I think, warrant serious investigation.
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& if this sorry tale is in fact a bunch of lies as you are implying
I'm just saying two things:
1. Popham's radio has never historically been considered as offensive.
2. The OP has stated (publicly, (and rather curiously) before taking it up with the airfield) what appears to be rather embellished and incorrect facts about his experience, based on a series of well presented facts I have received in an email.
As I have said, if anybody has issue with anything the OP has alleged, they are perfectly welcome to email Popham.
I have no connection with the airfield other than being a loyal member.
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based on a series of well presented facts I have received in an email.
You appear to be more involved in this affair than some of us to have received said email.
You appear to know more than you are telling this public forum.
I may be wrong & you may not be more involved.
I may be wrong & you know no more than the rest of us.
I retract the statement "Implying".
I am sorry I expressed an opinion based on the OP.
There are two (apparently) people involved in this affair, one of which deserves a firm kick up the arse. I now have no idea which one.
I no longer care.
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Firstly, I did not swallow
Lets make that quite clear.
From what was initially said, followed by what others actually went on to say, down to a point of identification (with no mention from the op) a picture was forming.
I stepped in purely along the lines that if this radio operator was lambasting people over the airwaves, how would a newly qualified pilot react to this on final approach?
It could have been an accident waiting to happen. I would have also stepped in if I was an aircraft on frequency and I heard Mono getting a b****ing for what ever reason.
I still recall that guy at Elstree and indeed that Sunday afternoon in his little tower, uninvited.
Firstly, I did not swallow
Lets make that quite clear.From what was initially said, followed by what others actually went on to say, down to a point of identification (with no mention from the op) a picture was forming.
I stepped in purely along the lines that if this radio operator was lambasting people over the airwaves, how would a newly qualified pilot react to this on final approach?
It could have been an accident waiting to happen. I would have also stepped in if I was an aircraft on frequency and I heard Mono getting a b****ing for what ever reason.
I still recall that guy at Elstree and indeed that Sunday afternoon in his little tower, uninvited.
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OK Richard, accepted
Being a long time resident of Popham this story does not ring entirely true, as I stated in my first post (which was written while Monocock was replying so we crossed in the post)
It is still a good airfield to visit. Let us not forget that.
Being a long time resident of Popham this story does not ring entirely true, as I stated in my first post (which was written while Monocock was replying so we crossed in the post)
It is still a good airfield to visit. Let us not forget that.
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I have no opinion on the rights or wrongs of the OP or the radio guy, but wonder, if you are making an approach to land (with or without PPR) to a field with this type of comms coverage wouldn't the default (and safer) join be from the overhead regardless if preceding and/or local traffic are joining in other ways. Why would you join on base like the OP did, is it personal choice i.e. just however you fancy joining coz its uncontrolled or would the AG guy offer this join?
Never been to Popham and no idea where it is, just trying to figure out the correct procedure for this type of field and setup, if indeed there is such a thing.
Never been to Popham and no idea where it is, just trying to figure out the correct procedure for this type of field and setup, if indeed there is such a thing.