Deadlines not to miss for UK ppl holders.
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Deadlines not to miss for UK ppl holders.
There is quite a lot for your average ppl not to miss in the next few months and years.
The forum has been helpful in making sure that all of these are discussed on a separate basis.It seems that a super 'notam' is needed so we don't miss something.
I have read most of the topics but I though it might be helpful to make sure those of us of average understanding have all this correct.
I have summarised the following that I can see I have to know ; additions welcome.
Those with a JAR ppl don't have to do anything til next renewal when it becomes an EASA license on renewal.For an appropriate fee. Til then we fly on the same licence though it's called something else.
If you have an ImC rating on the JAR licence you can probably use it til April 2014 when something similar that you can use on an EASA ppl can perhaps take over though it's a bit unclear as yet. (I am nearly done with the IR just in case)
For those of us that fly in the south east pay speak always to Southend radar with new SSR capabilities from April 2nd, as there are a few orange airbuses in class G from that date.
From July til september all flying around the London TMA will be on a vfr flight plan talking initially to Atlas control which sounds quite cool.
The new charts are about to be issued.
Have I missed something out ?
The forum has been helpful in making sure that all of these are discussed on a separate basis.It seems that a super 'notam' is needed so we don't miss something.
I have read most of the topics but I though it might be helpful to make sure those of us of average understanding have all this correct.
I have summarised the following that I can see I have to know ; additions welcome.
Those with a JAR ppl don't have to do anything til next renewal when it becomes an EASA license on renewal.For an appropriate fee. Til then we fly on the same licence though it's called something else.
If you have an ImC rating on the JAR licence you can probably use it til April 2014 when something similar that you can use on an EASA ppl can perhaps take over though it's a bit unclear as yet. (I am nearly done with the IR just in case)
For those of us that fly in the south east pay speak always to Southend radar with new SSR capabilities from April 2nd, as there are a few orange airbuses in class G from that date.
From July til september all flying around the London TMA will be on a vfr flight plan talking initially to Atlas control which sounds quite cool.
The new charts are about to be issued.
Have I missed something out ?
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Wot about me UK CAA "lifetime" (har har) PPL.
The answer is:
"You get to keep it as long as you like, which is extremely useful as that means you can keep your IMCr, and you can then use it ... to fly any aeroplane you like as long as it's on a list of non-IFR-capable aircraft."
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AND another thing .....
I was about to wander down to the Gatwick Joke Factory to trade-up my UK-PPL for a JAR-PPL. (This was after I discovered that if I did not, once EASA takes over I could fly a Spitfire (if anyone was mad enough to lend me one!) but not a basic PA28.
Anyhow I thought I should call the CAA just to check that I had got all the correct paperwork apart from the payment of £181.
I was told that I only have an English Language Proficiency Certificate at Level 4 whereas I need Level 6 to get a JAR licence. The CAA person, who had a strong foreign accent, was not impressed by my arguement that: I am a UK National; born in London with all education, professional training and flight training carried out in England.
It is only possible to check your level by calling the CAA as the level is not shown on any licence. However I understand that us oldies with UK-PPLs were automatically given level 4 only when this rule came in a few years ago.
So I need to get the examiner who did my last IMC renewal to sign form SRG1199 just to prove that I have an adequate command of 'Inglish like wot she is spoke'.
I was about to wander down to the Gatwick Joke Factory to trade-up my UK-PPL for a JAR-PPL. (This was after I discovered that if I did not, once EASA takes over I could fly a Spitfire (if anyone was mad enough to lend me one!) but not a basic PA28.
Anyhow I thought I should call the CAA just to check that I had got all the correct paperwork apart from the payment of £181.
I was told that I only have an English Language Proficiency Certificate at Level 4 whereas I need Level 6 to get a JAR licence. The CAA person, who had a strong foreign accent, was not impressed by my arguement that: I am a UK National; born in London with all education, professional training and flight training carried out in England.
It is only possible to check your level by calling the CAA as the level is not shown on any licence. However I understand that us oldies with UK-PPLs were automatically given level 4 only when this rule came in a few years ago.
So I need to get the examiner who did my last IMC renewal to sign form SRG1199 just to prove that I have an adequate command of 'Inglish like wot she is spoke'.
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Not a wind-up; I had to get my Level 6 ELP signed by the JAA IR examiner last month because, apparently, I never had it before.
I have been in the UK since 1969 and got the initial UK/JAA PPL in 2001.
Actually there is a serious side to ICAO ELP and that is the huge % of non-UK ATCOs who cannot speak English beyond the few stock phrases. However, it appears that they will find ways to circumvent this requirement; unsuprising since so many would be affected in certain countries and particularly in those countries they are rather well organised...
I have been in the UK since 1969 and got the initial UK/JAA PPL in 2001.
Actually there is a serious side to ICAO ELP and that is the huge % of non-UK ATCOs who cannot speak English beyond the few stock phrases. However, it appears that they will find ways to circumvent this requirement; unsuprising since so many would be affected in certain countries and particularly in those countries they are rather well organised...
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I think we were wondering why anyone would bother applying for a JAR PPL.
Furthermore it seems that there is a limited time in which UK-PPLs can be traded up to JAA-PPLs. According to the CAA the cut off was originally 8th April 2012, then changed to 1st July 2012 BUT this may or may not be extended to 2014. Again, it is good to know that the CAA knows what it is doing
AND there may be a slight chance that eventually (this year? next year? sometime? never?) the CAA may issue EASA-PPLs direct from UK-PPLs. On the other hand it may not so I have decided to give in, pay my £181 for a licence that I never wanted, nor needed just to ensure that I can get an EASA-PPL.
What are the rest of you UK-PPLs doing about this? Or are you just as puzzled as I am?
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I think we are all totally puzzled also. I have been attempting to find out what to do but it appears no one actually knows. I asked our CFI at the club, he looked at me blankly. All quite bizarre
What are the rest of you UK-PPLs doing about this?
Attachment 4, p19 of this CAA document has the details.
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What are the rest of you UK-PPLs doing about this?
(1) allows me to use my IMCr, and
(2) allows me to fly real aeroplanes.
Until I know the answer to that question it is surely ******* obvious that I am not going to fork out hundreds of pounds for what might be an unnecessary, or even worse wrong, licence.
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Ones doing it in an N-reg will need to get EASA PPLs (and medicals) by April 2014.
Ones doing it in a G-reg (using the automatic validation) will not be able to do it after a certain date... 2014 or 2015?
Ones doing it in a G-reg (using the automatic validation) will not be able to do it after a certain date... 2014 or 2015?
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"Ones doing it in a G-reg (using the automatic validation) will not be able to do it after a certain date... 2014 or 2015?"
...but will be able to get some kind of Euro license privilege as per current arrangement with a Brit visiting the US? (Apologies, but I haven't been keeping up with this nonsense!)
...but will be able to get some kind of Euro license privilege as per current arrangement with a Brit visiting the US? (Apologies, but I haven't been keeping up with this nonsense!)
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ELP level 4/6
re. D/Beancounter, the English language level has been covered many times before on these forums. However you revalidated or renewed your SEP rating recently ( the last 4 years), the SRG/1119, page 2 has provided an opportunity for the FE/GR to "award" you a level 6. In theory this is then recorded on your CAA file. If in doubt go back to the examiner who should have a copy of the form, or use the SRG/1199 to record level 6.
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I have read the caa document on EASA timetable (a few times) and I remain slightly unclear about medicals and perhaps the licences.
I could not find a statement that says you actually do nothing til you renew you JAA licence or next medical renewal is due. Such a statement would be helpful but if there, I have missed it.
It says that from the 1st July existing JAA medical holders can revalidate or renew to obtain an EASA medical. It doesn't say whether you must do this before the medical actually expires. It suggests that it automatically becomes a part EASA medical from July but I am not clear.
Any views ?
I could not find a statement that says you actually do nothing til you renew you JAA licence or next medical renewal is due. Such a statement would be helpful but if there, I have missed it.
It says that from the 1st July existing JAA medical holders can revalidate or renew to obtain an EASA medical. It doesn't say whether you must do this before the medical actually expires. It suggests that it automatically becomes a part EASA medical from July but I am not clear.
Any views ?