Redhill. Two Planning Applications
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Redhill. Two Planning Applications (Update as at 31/10)
Redhill airfield straddles two councils (see below) and the following two applications are now 'in play'. For those that feel able, especially lcoal residents, can you please assist GA in Surrey by supporting (1) and opposing (2). Thanks for your help in advance. 
1) The hard runway (Tandridge council):
Use link: http://e-access.tandridge.gov.uk/pla...ion-Search.asp and then search for application 2008/779. Once you've got there you can submit comments to applications online. Comments have to be submitted by 25th July.
2) Change of use to an equestrian centre (Reigate and Banstead)
Redhill Aerodrome Venture Limited (RAVL) say that they have submitted this application as a 'toe in the water' just in case the hard runway application gets turned down. However, it is my understanding that if this is approved then the change of use take effect immediately.
There are two ways to comment on this application:
A) Email comments to: [email protected] and in your email include the application number (P/08/01011/F), and your name and address.
B) Online - Go to Planning Application Search - Reigate and Banstead Borough Council and accept their Terms and Conditions (bottom of screen). Then enter the application details when prompted, then click on the 'comment on this application' tab.
Comments on the equestrian centre have to be with the council by 17th July.
1) The hard runway (Tandridge council):
Use link: http://e-access.tandridge.gov.uk/pla...ion-Search.asp and then search for application 2008/779. Once you've got there you can submit comments to applications online. Comments have to be submitted by 25th July.
2) Change of use to an equestrian centre (Reigate and Banstead)
Redhill Aerodrome Venture Limited (RAVL) say that they have submitted this application as a 'toe in the water' just in case the hard runway application gets turned down. However, it is my understanding that if this is approved then the change of use take effect immediately.
There are two ways to comment on this application:
A) Email comments to: [email protected] and in your email include the application number (P/08/01011/F), and your name and address.
B) Online - Go to Planning Application Search - Reigate and Banstead Borough Council and accept their Terms and Conditions (bottom of screen). Then enter the application details when prompted, then click on the 'comment on this application' tab.
Comments on the equestrian centre have to be with the council by 17th July.
Last edited by Cricket23; 31st Oct 2008 at 22:47.
To comment on the equestrian centre application, first go to Planning Application Search - Reigate and Banstead Borough Council and then accept their Terms and Conditions. Then enter the application details when prompted, then click on 'comment on this application'.
Incidentally, a Google search of 'Equestrian centres near Redhill' throws up a list of 10. Whereas 'Aerodromes near Redhill' throws up just one.....
In my support for the hard runway, I made the point that take-off distances would be reduced, improving safety, and that climbing would start earlier, reducing any noise impact upon immediate local residents.
Incidentally, a Google search of 'Equestrian centres near Redhill' throws up a list of 10. Whereas 'Aerodromes near Redhill' throws up just one.....
In my support for the hard runway, I made the point that take-off distances would be reduced, improving safety, and that climbing would start earlier, reducing any noise impact upon immediate local residents.
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Update (31/10/08) on Redhill Planning Apps
Hi all,
Just to let you know that the planning applications for both the hard runway and the equestrian centre have been withdrawn.
Thanks to all who supported the runway and opposed the riding school. Thanks also to the mods for making this a sticky at the time.
Regards,
C23.
Just to let you know that the planning applications for both the hard runway and the equestrian centre have been withdrawn.
Thanks to all who supported the runway and opposed the riding school. Thanks also to the mods for making this a sticky at the time.
Regards,
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Hi there,
I've recently signed up for a PPL at Redhill. I wonder if there is any hope that they will pave the runway, in future. The 'waterlogging season' opened yesterday (all rwys were shut), and it's a real pain. Did they withdraw the planning application in order to re-submit it soon with stronger arguments?
Thanks.
Deeday
I've recently signed up for a PPL at Redhill. I wonder if there is any hope that they will pave the runway, in future. The 'waterlogging season' opened yesterday (all rwys were shut), and it's a real pain. Did they withdraw the planning application in order to re-submit it soon with stronger arguments?
Thanks.
Deeday
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Hi Deeday,
I don't know why the planning app was withdrawn - I haven't had time to dig further yet. If you've been following things at Redhill, then over the years planning apps for a hard runway seem to come and go, so to be honest I'm not hopeful.
On the basis that every cloud has a silver lining, then I guess that RAVL won't be in too much of a hurry to build houses on the site which would appear to be their 'end game'.
In the meantime, I'd your PPL and look forward to experiencing life off the taxiway. Whilst the instructor will do the actual touchdown, it certainly makes for sharpening your approach speeds etc. Hope you enjoy it. What school are you with?
Regards,
C23
I don't know why the planning app was withdrawn - I haven't had time to dig further yet. If you've been following things at Redhill, then over the years planning apps for a hard runway seem to come and go, so to be honest I'm not hopeful.
On the basis that every cloud has a silver lining, then I guess that RAVL won't be in too much of a hurry to build houses on the site which would appear to be their 'end game'.
In the meantime, I'd your PPL and look forward to experiencing life off the taxiway. Whilst the instructor will do the actual touchdown, it certainly makes for sharpening your approach speeds etc. Hope you enjoy it. What school are you with?
Regards,
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Thats good to hear. I was wondering what was happening with that application - things had gone a little quiet. I bet the Nutfield Link will be delighted that the prospects of that nasty hard runway with all the biz-jets isn't happening for now. 
Deeday - I share your pain with the waterlogging season, its an occupational hazard at Redhill. There is always the option of using taxiway C/D (unlicensed, around 500m if I recall correctly) but I don't know at what point schools are prepared to use that for PPL training purposes.
The runways do drain fairly quickly, but looking out of the window this afternoon I suspect the bog status will be with us for a while...
Paul.
Deeday - I share your pain with the waterlogging season, its an occupational hazard at Redhill. There is always the option of using taxiway C/D (unlicensed, around 500m if I recall correctly) but I don't know at what point schools are prepared to use that for PPL training purposes.
The runways do drain fairly quickly, but looking out of the window this afternoon I suspect the bog status will be with us for a while...
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Thanks C23. I didn't know about all the past planning applications, and wonder what game RAVL is playing... I've also found out "Save Redhill Aerodrome", which you probably already knew; worth keeping an eye on it. I'm with Cubair and enjoying it, although I can't wait to try a landing on a 'proper' runway!
Paul, we used the taxiway once and yes, it's better than nothing, but it's very limiting (circuits are not even allowed). Let's hope for a dry winter!
Deeday
Paul, we used the taxiway once and yes, it's better than nothing, but it's very limiting (circuits are not even allowed). Let's hope for a dry winter!
Deeday
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Paul / Deeday,
Thanks for the link, yes I was aware of it.
The same of hopes were around when I did my PPL 2.5 yrs ago, and were dashed. By all accounts plans come and go regularly.
The schools are pretty good in managing the situation with the taxiway. I also did my training with Cubair, most of my circuits at Redhill, and then the runways closed before I went solo. - ended up having to do this at Headcorn.
Re use of the taxiway, the airfield rules are that you have to have 100hrs total time before being permitted to use it.
When I did my training as I mentioned in my earlier post, I did the approach work, whilst the instructor did the touchdown, with me following through on the controls. I must say that it does tighten up your approach work and ensures that you pay attention to the numbers. Also, once you move back to a normal runway it seems huge.
Hope you enjoy the training with Cubair, they're a good bunch.
Regards,
C23
Thanks for the link, yes I was aware of it.
The same of hopes were around when I did my PPL 2.5 yrs ago, and were dashed. By all accounts plans come and go regularly.
The schools are pretty good in managing the situation with the taxiway. I also did my training with Cubair, most of my circuits at Redhill, and then the runways closed before I went solo. - ended up having to do this at Headcorn.
Re use of the taxiway, the airfield rules are that you have to have 100hrs total time before being permitted to use it.
When I did my training as I mentioned in my earlier post, I did the approach work, whilst the instructor did the touchdown, with me following through on the controls. I must say that it does tighten up your approach work and ensures that you pay attention to the numbers. Also, once you move back to a normal runway it seems huge.
Hope you enjoy the training with Cubair, they're a good bunch.
Regards,
C23
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Hi Arclite01,
Yes indeed they do. Ed is still around from time-to-time in between his airline job (can't remember which one). Don't know if you know this, but Daryl sometimes dispalys the 'Sally B' at airshows.
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Yes indeed they do. Ed is still around from time-to-time in between his airline job (can't remember which one). Don't know if you know this, but Daryl sometimes dispalys the 'Sally B' at airshows.
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Planning Application update
The reason for withdrawing the application is that approximately 6 weeks before they were due to determine the application the planning authority required additional information.
They required the current operation to be described in greater detail:
Numbers of flights and frequency of flights split in to arrivals and departures
Hours of operation
Flight types, Flight paths, Aircraft types (including helicopters)
Noise levels for current operation
Ground lighting
Runway safety margins
Surface drainage, Sewage disposal and management, Water supply arrangements
Car parking facilities, Fuel storage areas
Instrument Landing System
Access arrangements.
Amongst other information required
Identify any rare, declining, protected or otherwise important flora, fauna or habitats within the site
Collect information on insects, mammals and birds present or that may use the site, including those that may use the site and not present during site visits
A full survey of protected species
A noise modelling exercise to determine “with development” and “without development” scenarios
Vortex wake effects on nearby buildings
Impact on public safety zones
Archaeological and historical environment to be considered as part of the Environmental Survey.
The potential impact of the new runway on the landscape and visual amenity of the surrounding area.
The penultimate paragraph of the letter stated “please submit the requested information…within 21 days of the date of this letter.” “…failure to provide enough information to complete the ES will result in refusal of the planning application.”
It was quickly apparent that all the required information could not be obtained within the specified time frame therefore it was decided to withdraw the application.
The data required is now being gathered and a new application will be submitted in 2009.
They required the current operation to be described in greater detail:
Numbers of flights and frequency of flights split in to arrivals and departures
Hours of operation
Flight types, Flight paths, Aircraft types (including helicopters)
Noise levels for current operation
Ground lighting
Runway safety margins
Surface drainage, Sewage disposal and management, Water supply arrangements
Car parking facilities, Fuel storage areas
Instrument Landing System
Access arrangements.
Amongst other information required
Identify any rare, declining, protected or otherwise important flora, fauna or habitats within the site
Collect information on insects, mammals and birds present or that may use the site, including those that may use the site and not present during site visits
A full survey of protected species
A noise modelling exercise to determine “with development” and “without development” scenarios
Vortex wake effects on nearby buildings
Impact on public safety zones
Archaeological and historical environment to be considered as part of the Environmental Survey.
The potential impact of the new runway on the landscape and visual amenity of the surrounding area.
The penultimate paragraph of the letter stated “please submit the requested information…within 21 days of the date of this letter.” “…failure to provide enough information to complete the ES will result in refusal of the planning application.”
It was quickly apparent that all the required information could not be obtained within the specified time frame therefore it was decided to withdraw the application.
The data required is now being gathered and a new application will be submitted in 2009.
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Thanks for the info, Satcop.
Altogether it sounds more like good news to me, unless it's a move from the council in order to deter RAVL from submitting an application at all...
Deeday
Altogether it sounds more like good news to me, unless it's a move from the council in order to deter RAVL from submitting an application at all...
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Hello,
Apologies for bringing this one back to life, but I was wondering if anyone knew the latest or what is going on with regards to Redhill Aerodrome and it's future.
Regards.
Apologies for bringing this one back to life, but I was wondering if anyone knew the latest or what is going on with regards to Redhill Aerodrome and it's future.
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Overall I think what Redhill propose is proportionate to the needs of the aviation activities in this part of the region.
I've got time for Jon as he has both the drive and skills to see this thru'
I thought the position statement was well presented in plain (no pun) language that non aviation readers could follow. I hope it will allay any fears or misapprehensions they might have.
Let's hope for success, but not lose sight of the grass roots GA that's supported Redhill thru' thick and thin for many years.
Sir George Cayley
I've got time for Jon as he has both the drive and skills to see this thru'
I thought the position statement was well presented in plain (no pun) language that non aviation readers could follow. I hope it will allay any fears or misapprehensions they might have.
Let's hope for success, but not lose sight of the grass roots GA that's supported Redhill thru' thick and thin for many years.
Sir George Cayley