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Phil....
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An Islander could have done the job from day one.
An Islander BN2 did do the work from day one!!
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An Islander could have done the job from day one.
An Islander BN2 did do the work from day one!!
Tried to check latest info on Argyll and Bute website, before flying to Oban tomorrow. Website appears to be down at present. My link didn't work, Googling it didn't work. Just using http://www.argyll-bute.gov.uk/ didn't work. Glenforsa site is O.K.
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Yep, it does appear to be down.
On a slightly seperate note I hear on the grapevine that ABC are soon to introduce out of hours access of Oban, Coll and Colonsay.
I understand that it will work in a similar way to HIAL with a Indemnity Form being valid for 12 months at a cost of £30+VAT per airfield.
PPR and landing fees will be as per usual.
On a slightly seperate note I hear on the grapevine that ABC are soon to introduce out of hours access of Oban, Coll and Colonsay.
I understand that it will work in a similar way to HIAL with a Indemnity Form being valid for 12 months at a cost of £30+VAT per airfield.
PPR and landing fees will be as per usual.
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So let me get this right. We currently land at Oban and pay a landing fee to fund the wages of the firemen etc who we don't need if we're on a private flight. Now they're proposing that, in order to land there when the firemen are at home in front of the telly, we pay their wages AND an additional fee.
Not grudging the firemen's pay by the way
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Not grudging the firemen's pay by the way
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The additional fee is to cover the admin associated with checking your insurance and issuing the appropriate paperwork. The insurance question is germane because, in essence, you ( ie your insurer) will be liable for any damage caused to the aerodrome and its equipment should you have a mishap. In other words the indemnity covers the airfield not the aircraft.
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In the days when insurance was optional there was possibly some merit in this braindead bureaucracy.
Now there is a legal requirement for insurance what value does this checking achieve?
Now there is a legal requirement for insurance what value does this checking achieve?
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It achieves fees. That's an achievement, in the eyes of such people.
Dunno what it does to achieve an enhancement of aviation, though. We used to just land and take off without much of that crap and the old system seemed to work OK.
Dunno what it does to achieve an enhancement of aviation, though. We used to just land and take off without much of that crap and the old system seemed to work OK.
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The additional fee is to cover the admin associated with checking your insurance and issuing the appropriate paperwork. The insurance question is germane because, in essence, you ( ie your insurer) will be liable for any damage caused to the aerodrome and its equipment should you have a mishap.
1) the pilot has a valid medical;
2) the pilot has a valid pilot's licence and a valid aircraft rating - certificate of test/check or experience;
3) the aeroplane has a valid certificate of airworthiness together with a valid airworthiness review certificate; and
4) the aeroplane has a valid scheduled maintenance inspection certificate of release to service and has not exceeded the airframe hours or time interval for its next scheduled maintenance inspection?
You can't? On what basis, therefore, do you believe you are establishing that valid insurance is in place?
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So, can you therefore confirm this 'checking' includes establishing that:
1) the pilot has a valid medical;
"I don't, I have a "declaration of fitness"
2) the pilot has a valid pilot's licence and a valid aircraft rating - certificate of test/check or experience;
OK.
3) the aeroplane has a valid certificate of airworthiness together with a valid airworthiness review certificate; and
Sorry, I operate Permit to Fly, so no CofA or ARC
4) the aeroplane has a valid scheduled maintenance inspection certificate of release to service and has not exceeded the airframe hours or time interval for its next scheduled maintenance inspection?
Permit to fly, don't have all that scheduled stuff!
You can't? On what basis, therefore, do you believe you are establishing that valid insurance is in place?
Got a copy of a piece of paper from a company registered in the Turkish republic of Northern Cyprus! (true, one of the biggest UK microlight insurers WAS putting all its business there, if I recall correct)
Ooops. I am now banned?
1) the pilot has a valid medical;
"I don't, I have a "declaration of fitness"
2) the pilot has a valid pilot's licence and a valid aircraft rating - certificate of test/check or experience;
OK.
3) the aeroplane has a valid certificate of airworthiness together with a valid airworthiness review certificate; and
Sorry, I operate Permit to Fly, so no CofA or ARC
4) the aeroplane has a valid scheduled maintenance inspection certificate of release to service and has not exceeded the airframe hours or time interval for its next scheduled maintenance inspection?
Permit to fly, don't have all that scheduled stuff!
You can't? On what basis, therefore, do you believe you are establishing that valid insurance is in place?
Got a copy of a piece of paper from a company registered in the Turkish republic of Northern Cyprus! (true, one of the biggest UK microlight insurers WAS putting all its business there, if I recall correct)
Ooops. I am now banned?
Site up again. It now says: "Prior Permission Requests can either be made by calling 01631 710910or by completing and submitting the request form below." No premium rate no. 
Still £10 for us under 1000Kg
Out -of -Hours figures are out of our reach: £300 for Coll and Colonsay, and £700 + for Oban. (Minimum of 2 hours charge)
Still £10 for us under 1000KgOut -of -Hours figures are out of our reach: £300 for Coll and Colonsay, and £700 + for Oban. (Minimum of 2 hours charge)
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These prices are ridiculous. Do the businesses of Argyll and Bute know the obsticles the council are putting in place for visitors.
If I was a hotel owner in one of these places I'd have my local councillor by the throat first thing in the morning.
Heh, 140KIAS, does your mate in the Coll hotel know about this?
DO.
If I was a hotel owner in one of these places I'd have my local councillor by the throat first thing in the morning.
Heh, 140KIAS, does your mate in the Coll hotel know about this?
DO.
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Exactly. They will be out of hours for half the day in summer!
Clearly Argyll and Bute council find visitors by air just a nuisance.
No mention of Glenforsa?
DO.
Clearly Argyll and Bute council find visitors by air just a nuisance.
No mention of Glenforsa?
DO.
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The whole point of the out of hours is so that it is literially out of hours with no bugger about. You don't need to pay 700 odd quid. Thats only for getting an extenstion to the hours of operation which are required when you need a fire cat to operate commercially.
The way Hial work it is that you get PPR as per usual and tell them you be coming in out of hours they say ok. Then you phone them up the next day with your arrival time. If your not on the list of airframes thats submitted your form you won't get PPR.
And you can only use it during day time.
You will have to ask them how to get out of the airfield and how to get back in if required.
The way Hial work it is that you get PPR as per usual and tell them you be coming in out of hours they say ok. Then you phone them up the next day with your arrival time. If your not on the list of airframes thats submitted your form you won't get PPR.
And you can only use it during day time.
You will have to ask them how to get out of the airfield and how to get back in if required.
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What is it about the UK that causes them either to close airfields and cover them with tacky houses or create endless rules and bureaucracy to get an aeroplane in and out.
I assume it's the nanny state again, clearly us pilots are too stupid to be able to fly in and out unaided.
I assume it's the nanny state again, clearly us pilots are too stupid to be able to fly in and out unaided.
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Staying out of the politics myself... can't be bothered with it, all immature stuff... but I had the pleasure of visiting Oban for the first time today.
Very nice airfield, staff were very friendly and helpful, scenery has to be seen to be believed. I shall return again... hopefully for a longer stay next time.
P.S. If fisbangwallop's reading this, thanks very much for the service today on Scottish.
Smithy
Very nice airfield, staff were very friendly and helpful, scenery has to be seen to be believed. I shall return again... hopefully for a longer stay next time.
P.S. If fisbangwallop's reading this, thanks very much for the service today on Scottish.
Smithy