100LL

Sternone you obviously know absolutely everything about Aircraft, Aviation and Birdmen. I do truly look up to you. Have you considered a career in aviation management?


Or you could offer your services as a consultant to Diamond, Cessna, Mooney (Delete as necessary) seems that you have all the answers.


Any Ideas on what happend to the Ethiad A340-600 at Toulouse. Would love to hear your rants on this.


I have worked with Diamonds for the last 9 years and the only non start incident I have seen was caused by a leak on the fuel filter bleed screw.


Hows yours comming on DX

sternone

Ofcorse i know it all, don't you read my posts ? I'm happy i can be your daddy.

I also take note that you have 9 years expierence with the Diamonds and i'm the first bloke telling you about the massive owners problems with the thielerts diesels right ?

bjornhall

It's in the C172N/R/S, Archer III, Archer II, and Piper Cadet POH's, and then I only checked the ones in our club...

Doubt much of any substance is ever "established" in a forum thread... It can give you a useful hint for what info to look up in a reliable source though...

100LL

No massive problems this end at all. Can't answer for the aircraft we don’t maintain. All our ECU warnings went away with the Oil and fuel pressure wiring mods.

Nine years ago when i started working on Diamonds we had major problems with the Rotax engines, now we never see them between checks.

Why is that you ask? Because engineers get to know them, stick to the manufacturers schedules, not treat them like 1940's Lycoming technology and low and behold no problems.

With that remark i would be more than happy to be an Orphan.

Three Yellows

Contacttower

155 knots TAS AT 70% POWER AT FL100. Using 5.6 USG PER SIDE. .... and we buy the JET A1 for less than 50p a litre inc VAT! (at the moment!).

3Y

Contacttower

Thanks. That sounds pretty good to me (compared to traditional twins).

BackPacker

Bugger. I remembered from the thread that I checked some POHs and found nothing. But I just grabbed the POH from the Cadet and it's right there.

I humbly stand corrected.

DX Wombat

Hi 100LL - I've not been down for a bit but apparently the engine is at the maintenance facility, the aircraft is there and it's just a case of waiting. I'm sure they will get around to it as soon as they can. I'm itching to get back to it but I'll be giving the POH a good re-reading first.
Would you care to have a fellow orphan? Perhaps, along with fellow sufferers, we could form a nice little family of orphans?

DX Wombat

You could also consider the fact that your claim to be the first is because apart from in your jaundiced opinion there haven't actually been massive problems. (I'm assuming you mean massive problems and not, as you have written, massive owners.)

wsmempson

I think the real problem here is with a massive knob - and I don't mean the mixture control. You don't have a mixture control knob in a twin-star.

Fuji Abound

Sternone - well you have stirred the pot, and that isnt a bad thing.

You might also want to consider an application to the Sun who have perfected the art for a particular style of reporting for which you have a natural talent.

With any new aircraft it is vital that the assessment of its safety and reliability is accurate - on that all our lives depend.

It is also important for another reason.

If there are unwelcome concerns about the aircrafts safety then rightly sales of the aircraft should suffer. The natural consequence of this is for the manufacturer to fail, which if the concerns are founded would be welcome. However, it would be a great shame in my view to see the manufacturer suffer in consequence of unsupported scare mongering because our "hobby" desperately requires innovation of the level brought by Diamond.

There are a large number of schools using both the 40 and 42. I suspect the aircraft is accumulating hours far more quickly that almost any new design before it. Not surprisingly there will be lessons to learn. What is important is how well Diamond learns the lessons - adapting and improving the product.

I have more than a few hours on both the 40s and 42s in pretty much all conditions of operation.

For me the aircraft has a number of draw backs but at present these are far out weighted by the advantages.

We can debate these shortcomings from a position of experience gleaned from pilots flying the aircraft to advantage which rightly should be distinguished from uninformed gossip, rumor and sensationalism.

scooter boy

"I would have thought that you would have learnt your lesson regarding posting opinions on technical issues after the PA28 'incident'. "

Three Yellows,
are we to suppose that bullying people into silence is acceptable?

Sternone (irrespective of his level of experience) has his own point of view (which is backed by by fact in this case).

He is entitled to it just as you are entitled to yours.

SB

Fuji Abound

In which case it would be interesting for him to set out the facts - having had some fun.

The report earlier referred to (which I have read in full) seems to me to be a relatively balanced analysis and the reporters did not reach the conclusion advanced. That would suggest that there is other evidence on which Sternone is relying of which the reporters were either unaware or chose not to include in their analysis or that the conclusion I reached was unjustified.

I would be interested to know which it is.

100LL

If you really must have a table top on your knee when flying try these

designed for the Diamond

sternone

I think it must be more difficult to admit faults on your favorite or selected plane than on your wife. If Diamond says to Aviation Consumer they had 22 known in flight stoppages then you must admid there is a problem. I cannot post the article in full since i'm a paid subscriber and due to copyright infringements you should pay for your own subscription. I took one due to earlier posts here on PPRune advising me of their unsponsored clean and to the point honest style of writing, they always let positive and negative people about a product or service speak, give their advice, and let the reader himself descide what he thinks about it.

When i read that article, i get confirmed that Diamond's crappy planes even have more crappy engines.. as stated above, for most pilots like me, what diamond promises is amazing, the reality is different, they need to sort out their problems and urgently, or they will loose credibility, i hope sincerely that they succeed in building a bullet proof engine themselfs, let's see what the future gives, but for me, no diamonds... and in this case, diamonds are not a girls best friend, all girls i asked, they all hate that plastic glider look, they really couldn't make a more ugly plane did they ?

So, if you ever end up with a very very good technology Diamond aircraft plane, you still end up with the most ugly duck in the water...

Fuji Abound

Sternone

1. It is not my favorite,

2. Why use the word stoppages, when the report uses the word shut downs. Do you know the difference between the two?

3. Thielert (note not Diamond) are reported as saying the number of shut downs per hour flown is three times less than other piston engines. Thielert identify the source of the data on which they rely, but the reporters say they have not so far been able to find the same data source. Whether it exists or not we therefore do not know. What the reporters do say is they dont have creditable data from which to make a comparison. That means the reporters at least cannot prove or disprove Thielert's claims.
That seems to me to be a balanced summary of part of the report on whcih you have commented. It is not what you have said.

Back to the more flamboyant school of journalism for you me thinks - you do have a natural ability for it . Always enjoy your posts though.

PS I think you have taught me a few tricks though - I am going to try something.

Contacttower

sternone you may well have a point about the engines...but it is interesting that so far more people have defended the Diamonds than not. But the rest you've written is very subjective.

Three Yellows

Scooter Boy,

The smiley (toothy) face at the end of my line was meant to indicate that I was pulling his leg in a half friendly way. I apologise if that wasn't how it was received.

I'm certainly not the only one here who disagrees with some of Sternone's wild generalisations. I agree we are all entitled to an 'opinion' but sometimes hard facts 'sexed up' by someone with very limited experience of the GA world is not ideal and could potentially leave him/her and Pprune open to legal action by Diamond/Piper etc.

I also feel that Sternone is beginning to enjoy his/her notorioty on here and now spends his/her time looking for the next 'grenade' to lob in...... I for one will try to resist rising to the bait in future.

172driver

must be the quote of the week on Pprune !

wsmempson

I'm not sure that in this case this is about "bullying someone into silence" - more that it is about telling someone with the hide of a Rhino when he is talking bollocks that it might be time to listen rather than talk.

I'm all for freedom of speech - and for goodness sake this is an open forum - but when someone is wrong, has been told that they're wrong (and why they're wrong) over and over again - a bit of plain speaking is called for.

3 yellows is on the same field as me and owns and runs a DA42; He seems to be making sense and I at least know that he flies an aeroplane. Sternone, on the other hand, claims to be a ppl student in Belgium (which may or may not be true) and has a track record of sending some of the nastiest PM's to people that I've ever seen. For all I know, he may be a "care in the community patient" - or he might be Bob Davey in disguise.

In an earlier post he thought all DA42's were rubbish because they didn't have a central armrest; Now he doesn't like them because they are terribly unsafe....

If I were in his boots I'd probably try to listen more and transmit less - but for some reason this isn't happening. He might be a great bloke - if only we could find out?