Would you put PPL on your CV??
Sure. Why not ?
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I have. I personaly put all nationaly or international recognised qualifications on my CV. It also strengthens your "hobbies and about me" section of your CV.
PPL on your CV demonstrates your ability of confidence, indapendance, trustworthyness, thouroughness and dedication.
I will imagine you will get 2 types of response to this question.
1) along the lines of my response
2) Nay sayers and the "do you wear wings and epaluetts when flying" brigade.
PPL on your CV demonstrates your ability of confidence, indapendance, trustworthyness, thouroughness and dedication.
I will imagine you will get 2 types of response to this question.
1) along the lines of my response
2) Nay sayers and the "do you wear wings and epaluetts when flying" brigade.
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I don't. I don't put any hobbies or personal interests on my CV. Chartered Accountants do not have interesting lives and nor are they expected to do so.
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I wonder how many other people dont put hobbies or personal pursuits on their CV's?
I have been told not by many recruiters/agencies in the past. But I choose to ignore them. It has never done me any harm and at times it has made a conversation point in the interview where you can get in to your comfort zone and the employer gets to see who you really are.
I have been told not by many recruiters/agencies in the past. But I choose to ignore them. It has never done me any harm and at times it has made a conversation point in the interview where you can get in to your comfort zone and the employer gets to see who you really are.
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Absolutely do it
First thing I do when looking at a CV. Check out the academic history then check out hobbies and interests.
Anybody who worked for McDonalds, Burger King etc is out
Anybody without an outstanding academic record is out
Anybody without hobbies or interests is out (that includes numpties that write as a hobby \ interest "going to the pub and socialising with friends". Like having a pint down the pub is hard or takes any sort of dedication).
PPL is excellent to have on the CV (presuming you are going for a non-flying job). It shows dedication, ability and that you can stick to something.
Anybody who worked for McDonalds, Burger King etc is out
Anybody without an outstanding academic record is out
Anybody without hobbies or interests is out (that includes numpties that write as a hobby \ interest "going to the pub and socialising with friends". Like having a pint down the pub is hard or takes any sort of dedication).
PPL is excellent to have on the CV (presuming you are going for a non-flying job). It shows dedication, ability and that you can stick to something.
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I did, and apparently it got me the job! Nothing special really. I'm a farm manager, but at the time (unlike now) we were two a penny (farm managers that is). The boss's (bosses?) dad, thought it meant I was more likely to be able to think on my feet rather than to keep bugging them for advice???? ...................................... as if! 
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Definately YES!
You worked bloody hard to get it and should be proud of letting other people know that you have the commitment which is required to reach that level of achievement.
Ignore "recruiters/agency" they haven't a clue and are generally only used by employers who dont know who they really want for the job, or, more to the point, don't know how to run their own business so they pay someone else 30% of the salary to do it for them.
You worked bloody hard to get it and should be proud of letting other people know that you have the commitment which is required to reach that level of achievement.
Ignore "recruiters/agency" they haven't a clue and are generally only used by employers who dont know who they really want for the job, or, more to the point, don't know how to run their own business so they pay someone else 30% of the salary to do it for them.
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Anybody without an outstanding academic record is out
Some of the most USELESS people I have worked with have been good academics, doesn't mean they have common sense and the ability to think for themselves. If someone applied to me for a job who had not done so well at school/college/university but could demonstrate good PRACTICAL experience since, they would get my vote.
Anybody who worked for McDonalds, Burger King etc is out
Check out the academic history then check out hobbies and interests
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PompeyPaul,
Your recruiting style will eliminate lots of very high quality applicants, but it is the 'safe' option. I would not pass your test (but then neither would Bill Gates or Richard Branson, so I am in good company). However, the nice thing about this kind of thing is that (and I say this with respect, I am sure you are nice guy personally) people who would not want me to work for them for these reasons will likely not be the kind of people I would want to work for. So it is a win/win.
To answer the original question, yes! Absolutely include it. I intend to when I qualify.
When I have interviewed people for positions, I often get many CVs that are all very similar in quality, and with limited interview slots I have to make a descision based on something. When confronted with two applicants of similar skills and backgrounds, and with one interview slot to fill, I would choose the one who had something on their CV that could give me an 'entry' point in talking with them. An interview is as much about finding out a about a person's character, as it is their skills. A PPL qualification would be a 'loose thread' that I could pull on to get the person talking about their life, drives, ambitions and interests. With some applicants, this can be difficult. It is easier to talk to an applicant who has something really interesting on their CV, this can be in their education, work history, or personal endevours.
Your recruiting style will eliminate lots of very high quality applicants, but it is the 'safe' option. I would not pass your test (but then neither would Bill Gates or Richard Branson, so I am in good company). However, the nice thing about this kind of thing is that (and I say this with respect, I am sure you are nice guy personally) people who would not want me to work for them for these reasons will likely not be the kind of people I would want to work for. So it is a win/win.
To answer the original question, yes! Absolutely include it. I intend to when I qualify.
When I have interviewed people for positions, I often get many CVs that are all very similar in quality, and with limited interview slots I have to make a descision based on something. When confronted with two applicants of similar skills and backgrounds, and with one interview slot to fill, I would choose the one who had something on their CV that could give me an 'entry' point in talking with them. An interview is as much about finding out a about a person's character, as it is their skills. A PPL qualification would be a 'loose thread' that I could pull on to get the person talking about their life, drives, ambitions and interests. With some applicants, this can be difficult. It is easier to talk to an applicant who has something really interesting on their CV, this can be in their education, work history, or personal endevours.
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Must admit Pompey you just done yourself a wrong un.
I have friends that spent years getting degrees and cant get a decent job. I was total **** at school, and joined the army at 15 and 8 months.
Now I am a consultant to the likes of SAP, Ericsson, HP, Symantec and have been since I left the army in 1996.
My acedemics certainly did not get me to where I am now. What has got me to where I am is my work ethics and dedication to do the best I can every single day that I work.
As for your Mcdonalds example I think that is a bit insulting. Infact one of my mates that spent years getting a degree is now a Mcdonalds store manager..the reason being????? no real world experience in his field.
I have friends that spent years getting degrees and cant get a decent job. I was total **** at school, and joined the army at 15 and 8 months.
Now I am a consultant to the likes of SAP, Ericsson, HP, Symantec and have been since I left the army in 1996.
My acedemics certainly did not get me to where I am now. What has got me to where I am is my work ethics and dedication to do the best I can every single day that I work.
As for your Mcdonalds example I think that is a bit insulting. Infact one of my mates that spent years getting a degree is now a Mcdonalds store manager..the reason being????? no real world experience in his field.
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"Anybody without an outstanding academic record is out"
Can be absolutely meaningless. Or is the ability to cheat without getting caught a skill that you are after? I've found over the past 10 years that the odds are 50/50 on the grades being legitimate.
As to the PPL being noted on a CV. Yes.
Can be absolutely meaningless. Or is the ability to cheat without getting caught a skill that you are after? I've found over the past 10 years that the odds are 50/50 on the grades being legitimate.
As to the PPL being noted on a CV. Yes.
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Originally Posted by PompeyPaul
Anybody without an outstanding academic record is out
Most successful self made businessmen never ever have a strong academic record. If your that busy learning then your too bloody busy to make money !
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"Anybody without an outstanding academic record is out"
I get quite a few of the Grads on the companys 'Management Training Course' for a couple of weeks to see what my depmartment does and to be honest a good 50% plus of them, and I am talking about Grads with 1st and 2nds here, are completely useless and lost! I lot cannot take direction and if you give them something out of the ordinary which isnt in a textbook they go to pieces!
Consequently now when I am vetting CVs for interviews I look at previous experience or even someone who hasnt necessarily got brilliant grades but has been through an apprenticship and made it out of the other side.
Oh in answer to the question...Yes put it down, it shows you have a brain and can handle something thats pretty responsible.
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Ooohh no, I'm the bad guy of pprune again!
Hey,
We can argue the in's and out's but one thing is for sure. Everybody rates hobbies and interests. Put the PPL on your CV it may just give you the edge.
In my job I've got a 100% hit rate. I've never recruited anybody that's not been exceptional and that's what I need. Other places may be more lapse \ understanding etc. That's just what rules I ruthlessly apply.
We can argue the in's and out's but one thing is for sure. Everybody rates hobbies and interests. Put the PPL on your CV it may just give you the edge.
In my job I've got a 100% hit rate. I've never recruited anybody that's not been exceptional and that's what I need. Other places may be more lapse \ understanding etc. That's just what rules I ruthlessly apply.
Recruiting - such fun....
Q. You are the Recruitment Manager responsible to the Chief Executive Officer for the selection of applicants to work as Flight Attendants for your airline.
There are 3 candidates, all aged 22:
Candidate A has worked as a childrens’ nanny and has 6 ‘O’ levels. She also speaks some conversational French.
Candidate B left school with 4 GCSEs; after a gap year back-packing in the Far East she later qualified as a nurse.
Candidate C left school at 16, then worked in a department store as a junior and now works as a customer service team manager for the same store.
In 400 words or less, state which of the 3 would you select and provide your reasons.
Q. You are the Recruitment Manager responsible to the Chief Executive Officer for the selection of applicants to work as Flight Attendants for your airline.
There are 3 candidates, all aged 22:
Candidate A has worked as a childrens’ nanny and has 6 ‘O’ levels. She also speaks some conversational French.
Candidate B left school with 4 GCSEs; after a gap year back-packing in the Far East she later qualified as a nurse.
Candidate C left school at 16, then worked in a department store as a junior and now works as a customer service team manager for the same store.
In 400 words or less, state which of the 3 would you select and provide your reasons.
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In my job I've got a 100% hit rate. I've never recruited anybody that's not been exceptional and that's what I need. Other places may be more lapse \ understanding etc. That's just what rules I ruthlessly apply.
Forgot to answer the original question, yep put it on the CV, it provides a lot of information about your capabilities and potential.