High Viz Jackets - Mandatory at GA Airfields?
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Ahh...but Shoreham offers you a choice.
If you really you want to make a total tw*t out of yourself opt for a high Viz Cap or wear the matching set, nice. Just short of setting yourself on fire (against HSE directive 1.2.3 Par 9B)
you will be as visible as beachy head lighthouse.
I have two caps :-)
Whats not to like about them...I'm wearing mine now...goes with the socks I got in the 80's.
If you really you want to make a total tw*t out of yourself opt for a high Viz Cap or wear the matching set, nice. Just short of setting yourself on fire (against HSE directive 1.2.3 Par 9B)
you will be as visible as beachy head lighthouse.I have two caps :-)
Whats not to like about them...I'm wearing mine now...goes with the socks I got in the 80's.
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Other HIGH VIZ thread closed !!!
As BRL moderator has closed down the other Thread on HiGHVIZ Jkts, it was interesting to note that, between the two threads it has generated 7000 views and nearly 200 postings in such a short time. This shows that the H&S stormtroopers are realy getting on peoples nerves.
Apart from the odd "cheese eating surrender monkeys" who agree with HIGH VIZ jkts,
most think they are a bloody nuisance especially on small GA airfields.
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Apart from the odd "cheese eating surrender monkeys" who agree with HIGH VIZ jkts,
most think they are a bloody nuisance especially on small GA airfields.www.healthandsafety-nuts.com
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TCAS FAN,
2 (serious) questions;
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- do you have a link to the study/evidence/whatever on this?
2. (Purely out of interest) do you work in H&S, or are aircrew, or possibly both?
2 (serious) questions;
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the wearing of hi viz clothing has proved to be a significant mitigating measure to prevent collisions
2. (Purely out of interest) do you work in H&S, or are aircrew, or possibly both?
A little less conversation,
a little more aviation...
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Wierd - I had an email notification of a reply to the thread from a high viz advocate which has since disappeared...something about squealing like stone-age sticking pigs....presumably the author swapped his high viz nylon for a cloak of invisibility 
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Yeh weird.....
I received this e-mail notice on this thread...
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The mind boggles that anyone should get so heated about such a simple safety aid.
What I do know is, that when an incident occurs at one of your invincible airfields where you are all perfect because someone didn't see the other, you would be squealing like stuck pigs and engaging solicitors like it was going out of fashion.
The fact is that H&S is everyones concern, the majority of posts against the "see and be seen" safety culture does G/A a complete dis-service and puts you well and truely in the aviation stone age.
Be good enough to let us know where you all are based, then anyone wanting to learn to fly can avoid the amateurs.
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Boy I'm sure glad it's not here because I post in my real name and that might have been the end of my flight training business if that ever became public.
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The mind boggles that anyone should get so heated about such a simple safety aid.
What I do know is, that when an incident occurs at one of your invincible airfields where you are all perfect because someone didn't see the other, you would be squealing like stuck pigs and engaging solicitors like it was going out of fashion.
The fact is that H&S is everyones concern, the majority of posts against the "see and be seen" safety culture does G/A a complete dis-service and puts you well and truely in the aviation stone age.
Be good enough to let us know where you all are based, then anyone wanting to learn to fly can avoid the amateurs.
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Boy I'm sure glad it's not here because I post in my real name and that might have been the end of my flight training business if that ever became public.
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The mind boggles that anyone should get so heated about such a simple safety aid.
What I do know is, that when an incident occurs at one of your invincible airfields where you are all perfect because someone didn't see the other, you would be squealing like stuck pigs and engaging solicitors like it was going out of fashion.
The fact is that H&S is everyones concern, the majority of posts against the "see and be seen" safety culture does G/A a complete dis-service and puts you well and truely in the aviation stone age.
Be good enough to let us know where you all are based, then anyone wanting to learn to fly can avoid the amateurs.
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The mind boggles that anyone should get so heated about such a simple safety aid.
What I do know is, that when an incident occurs at one of your invincible airfields where you are all perfect because someone didn't see the other, you would be squealing like stuck pigs and engaging solicitors like it was going out of fashion.
The fact is that H&S is everyones concern, the majority of posts against the "see and be seen" safety culture does G/A a complete dis-service and puts you well and truely in the aviation stone age.
Be good enough to let us know where you all are based, then anyone wanting to learn to fly can avoid the amateurs.
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The mind boggles that anyone should get so heated about such a simple safety aid.
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Cyclists are complaining about hi-viz in Milton Keynes
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Without being sarcastic - It seems to me that you could equally argue that all aircrew on the apron/airside whatever should wear flashing amber lights lights on their mandatory helmets, in addition to the jackets, in order to increase safety.
While this would certainly increase visibility of said people in said locations, the question that would have to be asked is "is it really necessary?"
I think that, IMHO, the debate is not really about whether or not safety is paramount, and taking all reasonable steps to make sure that it is - but where a sensible line should be drawn.
I can seen the need, and would be happy with, the wearing of high-vis jackets at such places as Heathrow apron, Gatwick, LAX etc...but I don't feel that it's needed in such places as Kemble, Old Sarum, Compton Abbas etc.
While this would certainly increase visibility of said people in said locations, the question that would have to be asked is "is it really necessary?"
I think that, IMHO, the debate is not really about whether or not safety is paramount, and taking all reasonable steps to make sure that it is - but where a sensible line should be drawn.
I can seen the need, and would be happy with, the wearing of high-vis jackets at such places as Heathrow apron, Gatwick, LAX etc...but I don't feel that it's needed in such places as Kemble, Old Sarum, Compton Abbas etc.
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While I was in the USA over Christmas I bought a cap in "Sportsmans Warehouse" which has a built in LCD as a "headlamp". "Dick's Sporting Goods" also had caps with small LCDs built into the peak to cast light where you were looking.
It would not be difficult to manuafacture one or other type with a small LCD pointing to each of the cardinal points and flashing yellow for use on airfields or on construction sites (where they would of course also have to be hard).
This could be a major growth industry.
I kid you not, both shops were full of brightly coloured (bright dayglo orange) clothing of all shapes and brands (even orange cowboy hats) to ensure that hunters on the move or walkers in the woods are not shot by other hunters who mistake them for deer, bear or Dick Chaney.
And it is all really cheap ..... as should be anything to do with safety.
(perhaps that is why Stelios chose the colour and where he buys his uniforms)
It would not be difficult to manuafacture one or other type with a small LCD pointing to each of the cardinal points and flashing yellow for use on airfields or on construction sites (where they would of course also have to be hard).
This could be a major growth industry.
I kid you not, both shops were full of brightly coloured (bright dayglo orange) clothing of all shapes and brands (even orange cowboy hats) to ensure that hunters on the move or walkers in the woods are not shot by other hunters who mistake them for deer, bear or Dick Chaney.
And it is all really cheap ..... as should be anything to do with safety.
(perhaps that is why Stelios chose the colour and where he buys his uniforms)
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Sounds like fair comment, look at it the other way would you really want some of the people on here to be in charge of anything remotely to do with safety?
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Actually Ian one has to be able to differentiate between over reaction to a preceived safety threat such as walking across a small ramp area at a local airfield to or from a private airplane and working on the ramp at Heathrow.
The problem is how do you separate the sheep from the wolves in these discussions?
But if you are all for the hi vis vest Nazi types at small local airports thats cool.
We then need those nifty hard hats with flashing lights for all the professional pilots who can be led like sheep by any moron who comes up with these goofy rules so those of us with enough neurons to be able to walk around without hurting ourselves will be able to avoid them.
Hell for the real ego driven sheep the hard hat could have four gold bars painted on it.
Sounds like fair comment, look at it the other way would you really want some of the people on here to be in charge of anything remotely to do with safety?
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Actually Ian one has to be able to differentiate between over reaction to a preceived safety threat such as walking across a small ramp area at a local airfield to or from a private airplane and working on the ramp at Heathrow.
The problem is how do you separate the sheep from the wolves in these discussions?
But if you are all for the hi vis vest Nazi types at small local airports thats cool.
We then need those nifty hard hats with flashing lights for all the professional pilots who can be led like sheep by any moron who comes up with these goofy rules so those of us with enough neurons to be able to walk around without hurting ourselves will be able to avoid them.
Hell for the real ego driven sheep the hard hat could have four gold bars painted on it.
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Here's a question. What is the point of Hi Viz? To be seen, right? So why are the hi viz jackets not made in the most visible colour, which research (apparently) has shown not to be yellow, but flouresent pink? OK so people would be reluctant to wear them............... just like the yellow ones.
If the speed limit on aprons is 10MPH/ max taxi speed is walking pace can't walkers and cyclists get out of the way?
Finally I am convinced that most people are run over airside not because they were not seen, but because the driver was not looking where they were going. It's just easier to say on the safety report that they couldn't see the person they ran over.
If the speed limit on aprons is 10MPH/ max taxi speed is walking pace can't walkers and cyclists get out of the way?
Finally I am convinced that most people are run over airside not because they were not seen, but because the driver was not looking where they were going. It's just easier to say on the safety report that they couldn't see the person they ran over.
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Finally I am convinced that most people are run over airside not because they were not seen, but because the driver was not looking where they were going. It's just easier to say on the safety report that they couldn't see the person they ran over.
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Without being sarcastic - It seems to me that you could equally argue that all aircrew on the apron/airside whatever should wear flashing amber lights lights on their mandatory helmets, in addition to the jackets, in order to increase safety.
Like this you mean
Like this you mean