STN chaos today!?

[eastern wiseguy]

Lapp......quite. Try segregating arriving or departing pax at Schiphol or Chicago...it does appear that UK is a bit of a trendsetter.

Edit....on reflection though the Dutch do do security at every departure gate. The US doesn't.

[captplaystation]

eastern wiseguy ,

"trendsetter." ? is that the same thing as "island-mentality dinosaur" ?

[boguing]

cap'n, you obviously started at the wrong entrance. For goodness sake, this may have clogged the whole forum up for days man. You can collect your baggage at the 'Missing Posts Desk' over yonder.

[Flightmech]

It was probably still quicker than going through the normal Border Control at STN anyway!

[eastern wiseguy]

Captps...it wasn't meant in a positive sense.

[captplaystation]

Yep. I realised that. . . and agree .

[750XL]

DfT see all passengers (and crew) arriving from outside the UK as 'dirty'. Passengers arriving from outside the UK can't meet inbound passengers, if they do everybody who's been in contact needs to be re-screened to DfT standards.

It's happened loads at MAN over the past year or so, with many losing their jobs because of it.

[DaveReidUK]

But why? These SLF departed from an EU airport and would have been screened there. Why is it a security issue?

No, you don't know where they departed from.

The incoming flight was from Lisbon but it could well have been carrying passengers whose journeys originated in, say, Africa or South America and who were in transit through LIS.

[ExXB]

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK

No, you don't know where they departed from.

The incoming flight was from Lisbon but it could well have been carrying passengers whose journeys originated in, say, Africa or South America and who were in transit through LIS.

... And? They would have been screened for their first flight, and could not or would not have known the gate they would arrive at at Stansted, or that a door would be left open.

Excuse me, but anyone with a little bit of common sense would know there was no terrorist risk here. There was no customs and immigration risk either, as the LIS pax could not exit the departures hall without formalities.

[750XL]

Excuse me, but anyone with a little bit of common sense would know there was no terrorist risk here.

All pax have to be screened to DfT standards, which from experience is a lot stricter than other places worldwide. I've walked onto an aircraft as a pax on the African continent without a single check, I could've easily been transiting to the UK.

[ExXB]

I've walked onto an aircraft as a pax on the African continent without a single check,

On an international flight to an EU airport? Some nations are a little laid back with their domestic flights but this wouldn't happen on a flight to LIS.

[ifonly]

There was no customs and immigration risk either, as the LIS pax could not exit the departures hall without formalities.

Except that a bag could have been passed to a domestic passenger in the departure lounge who wouldn't be subject to any controls when the get to their destination.

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by ExXB

and could not or would not have known ... that a door would be left open

Happily, airport security in the UK tends to be run by those who have a rather more suspicious mindset ...

[farci]

Quote:
There was no customs and immigration risk either, as the LIS pax could not exit the departures hall without formalities.
Except that a bag could have been passed to a domestic passenger in the departure lounge who wouldn't be subject to any controls when the get to their destination.

For this to be realistic would require a very complicated conspiracy involving two suspect passengers and the person who opened the wrong door, presumably other gate staff and/or their supervisors at STN and (just to be sure) others at LIS.

Conspiracy or c**k-up? I know where my vote goes

[eastern wiseguy]

Happily, airport security in the UK tends to be run by those who have a rather more suspicious mindset ..

DaveReid.......you KNOW that that statement is truly indefensible.

It was a c**k up. No more no less. Having been subject to the whims of UK airport security for years I agree with the "suspicious" part of your argument .

The "happily"portion is absolute nonsense.

[wiggy]

farci..

For this to be realistic would require a very complicated conspiracy involving two suspect passengers and the person who opened the wrong door, presumably other gate staff and/or their supervisors at STN and (just to be sure) others at LIS

That's true, but never understimate the ability of some in UK Transec to come up with the most wild theories and then put in place measures to counter the same....not saying that it's right or wrong but that's the reason crew leaving the UK seem to come in for special attention and subject to some bizarre rules at some airports, and also the reason 750XL said:

All pax have to be screened to DfT standards, which from experience is a lot stricter than other places worldwide.

But yes, I'd agree the STN incident sounds like a "foul up"