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Don't quite get your beef, redang. 
Are you saying that for years airlines had been warning pax flying on aircraft fitted with trent 800 engines that the FOHE were suspected of being a problem under very specific conditions...
And that on bulletins/forums the "experts" were constantly cautioning about flying in aircraft using the trent 800 with those FOHE...
Seriously, sure i understand your point, but surely that is the point.
Surely the empirical evidence is that it has been proven to be "effectively safe" and until even ONE incident that can definitively be blamed on mobiles as the SPECIFIC cause or causal factor... we can presume its ok.
(i could actually argue that the sample size of the "pax with mobiles on aircraft" since invention of the mobile, would be several hundred orders of magnitude higher than sample size of 777s with Rolls trent 800 flying in the conditions that effected BA038. Quite simply, i can assert with absolutely no doubt -or proof- that EVERY time one of those trent 800 equipped 777s was in the air there was always someone on board with their mobile turned on. Add ALL the other aircraft types to this statistical analysis, plus the dozens of types of transmitting electronic consumer items, and i think the weight of evidence suggests that really, this is all much mobile-ado about nothing. Lol the OP with his ipad operational deficiency even adds weight to this argument!!)
Are you saying that for years airlines had been warning pax flying on aircraft fitted with trent 800 engines that the FOHE were suspected of being a problem under very specific conditions...
And that on bulletins/forums the "experts" were constantly cautioning about flying in aircraft using the trent 800 with those FOHE...
Seriously, sure i understand your point, but surely that is the point.
Surely the empirical evidence is that it has been proven to be "effectively safe" and until even ONE incident that can definitively be blamed on mobiles as the SPECIFIC cause or causal factor... we can presume its ok.
(i could actually argue that the sample size of the "pax with mobiles on aircraft" since invention of the mobile, would be several hundred orders of magnitude higher than sample size of 777s with Rolls trent 800 flying in the conditions that effected BA038. Quite simply, i can assert with absolutely no doubt -or proof- that EVERY time one of those trent 800 equipped 777s was in the air there was always someone on board with their mobile turned on. Add ALL the other aircraft types to this statistical analysis, plus the dozens of types of transmitting electronic consumer items, and i think the weight of evidence suggests that really, this is all much mobile-ado about nothing. Lol the OP with his ipad operational deficiency even adds weight to this argument!!)
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Originally Posted by Rawtenstall
So when is "off" really "off" with these gadgets - when the screen is black or with a full power down?
May I repeat the earlier question - Why is it such a significant imposition on so many people to ask for electronic devices to be switched off for 20 minutes? Is it really worth all the sound and the fury?
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No fury here, though some mirth. 
Unfortunately mobiles are now just a part of most people's life (even, almost, their anatomy). Asking them to be switched off? Nah, the point of this thread is telling them....
While i will agree 100% about the annoyance of an apparent inability of some people to exist for even a few minutes without their life's inanities being imposed aurally on everyone around them... That discussion is completely different from the one that started this thread, viz "we're all going to die because 12A STILL HAS HIS MOBILE SWITCHED ON...AAAARRRGGGHH"
I humbly suggest TS that you merge this with the "obese" thread if you wish to introduce the "intruding on others' space/sensibilities!" angle!!
What would those posters do if one of their "larger" co-pax was also chatting on the phone...
Unfortunately mobiles are now just a part of most people's life (even, almost, their anatomy). Asking them to be switched off? Nah, the point of this thread is telling them....
While i will agree 100% about the annoyance of an apparent inability of some people to exist for even a few minutes without their life's inanities being imposed aurally on everyone around them... That discussion is completely different from the one that started this thread, viz "we're all going to die because 12A STILL HAS HIS MOBILE SWITCHED ON...AAAARRRGGGHH"
I humbly suggest TS that you merge this with the "obese" thread if you wish to introduce the "intruding on others' space/sensibilities!" angle!!
What would those posters do if one of their "larger" co-pax was also chatting on the phone...
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The point is the rules as they are is that you are required to turn off such devices and therefore should do so.
If airlines such as EK allow the use at certain times and periods that is at their choice. (Seem to recall though on my recent flight on EK it was not during the take off or landing phase).
The fact that people in India, China, Russia or wherever ignore the rules does not automatically entitle everyone else to do so, two wrongs do not make a right.
So until such times as rules are changed, if you are told to turn off electronic devices then you should do it, if not then face the consequences of your actions. Therefore people have the right to complain or criticise people who think they are above these rules.
Sorry but seems fairly simple to me.
If airlines such as EK allow the use at certain times and periods that is at their choice. (Seem to recall though on my recent flight on EK it was not during the take off or landing phase).
The fact that people in India, China, Russia or wherever ignore the rules does not automatically entitle everyone else to do so, two wrongs do not make a right.
So until such times as rules are changed, if you are told to turn off electronic devices then you should do it, if not then face the consequences of your actions. Therefore people have the right to complain or criticise people who think they are above these rules.
Sorry but seems fairly simple to me.
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Oh the brits! 
It is a RULE, therefore do it.
Kinda like standing in a queue.
Actually this discussion was about the reasons / need for the "rules". Rather than questioning if there was a rule. the original poster was concerned about the safety risk.
The point about India et al, was simply to indicate that this request is frequently disregarded, either deliberately or accidentally, and i daresay it is as commonly transgressed everywhere - without any apparent impingement on safety.
suggest you have a poke at the cabin crew forum here on pprune (can't post the link, the tablet makes that a huge chore and the pax on my left is glaring at me
) discussing the use of a GoPro in the cockpit. GoPros (can) use GPS.
It is a RULE, therefore do it.
Kinda like standing in a queue. Actually this discussion was about the reasons / need for the "rules". Rather than questioning if there was a rule. the original poster was concerned about the safety risk.
The point about India et al, was simply to indicate that this request is frequently disregarded, either deliberately or accidentally, and i daresay it is as commonly transgressed everywhere - without any apparent impingement on safety.
suggest you have a poke at the cabin crew forum here on pprune (can't post the link, the tablet makes that a huge chore and the pax on my left is glaring at me
) discussing the use of a GoPro in the cockpit. GoPros (can) use GPS.
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Is it really worth all the sound and the fury?
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I find that enforcement is very different when sitting in J or F compared to Economy.
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I was on a flight recently where the lady across the aisle from me was playing games on her phone as we taxied out to the active. Every time a flight crew member walked by, she quickly hid it. I found that quite frustrating because if you feel it necessary to hide it, you probably shouldn't be using it.
I figure in the case of not being able to switch things on until a certain height/time- Wouldn't this make sense in regards to forced landings? Say in the case of an EFAT, would you really want the extra step of trying to get peoples attention when they are all busy playing angry birds with headphones in?
Even if there isn't much to show they do affect things, just being asked should be good enough reason to turn it off.
I'm sure it's not just me but- Isn't it nice to be able to disconnect yourself from you phone occasionally anyway? Between phone calls, SMS, Email, Facebook, Ebay and news....my phone just about never shuts up. I love getting to turn the thing off when I don't need to be contactable.
I figure in the case of not being able to switch things on until a certain height/time- Wouldn't this make sense in regards to forced landings? Say in the case of an EFAT, would you really want the extra step of trying to get peoples attention when they are all busy playing angry birds with headphones in?
Even if there isn't much to show they do affect things, just being asked should be good enough reason to turn it off.
I'm sure it's not just me but- Isn't it nice to be able to disconnect yourself from you phone occasionally anyway? Between phone calls, SMS, Email, Facebook, Ebay and news....my phone just about never shuts up. I love getting to turn the thing off when I don't need to be contactable.
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On a 14 Hour Non Stop, I forgot to switch the BB off in my hand luggage (actually if you switch it off you apparently have to wit till it turns off before returning to holster otherwise it does not turn off).
Needless to say I had roaming charges (BB mails kept flowing so got charge a daily charge for every country it logged into) from Iceland to Afghanistan on my Phone. Don't think I will ever forget that.
As far as talking on the phone. I prefer switching it off as soon as i am about to board and on again after I have my luggage. The few hours of peace in between from the talking and ringing is delightful.
Needless to say I had roaming charges (BB mails kept flowing so got charge a daily charge for every country it logged into) from Iceland to Afghanistan on my Phone. Don't think I will ever forget that.
As far as talking on the phone. I prefer switching it off as soon as i am about to board and on again after I have my luggage. The few hours of peace in between from the talking and ringing is delightful.
On a related subject ...
... consider allowing the use of noise canceling headphones during takeoff/landing.
I like to put mine on immediately upon being seated so I can listen to the audio program as well as the announcements over children howling. But if the CC spots the little green LED, I get told to shut the off. Not take them off, just switch them off. So now I can't hear the PA system announcements.
I suppose a small piece of black electrical tape could solve the problem. But I'd like to comply with the rules.
I like to put mine on immediately upon being seated so I can listen to the audio program as well as the announcements over children howling. But if the CC spots the little green LED, I get told to shut the off. Not take them off, just switch them off. So now I can't hear the PA system announcements.
I suppose a small piece of black electrical tape could solve the problem. But I'd like to comply with the rules.
