BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions IV
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I think that CCCP is probably related to A Lurker!
Moving on, time seems to be running out for any strike to be called. At the same time, Bassa/ Unite don't appear to be attempting to either put any pressure on BA or to win the hearts & minds of the travelling public.
We live in interesting times.
Moving on, time seems to be running out for any strike to be called. At the same time, Bassa/ Unite don't appear to be attempting to either put any pressure on BA or to win the hearts & minds of the travelling public.
We live in interesting times.
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Ancient Observer, on 16 November 2010, opined thus:
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Ancient Observer related, on 23 December 2010, that:
Ancient Observer, again on the alleged backers of the SWP, has told us today:
Would Ancient Observer care to elaborate on those assertions, please? Who are these alleged "multi-millionaires that control SWP"?
I ask only because there seems to be a great degree of dissimulation happening on "the other thread", and we would never descend to such stratagems here - or would we?
the SWP and their friends do not give a fig for the BA CC, and are not interested in solving the problem - they just want the fight and the publicity. They are run by millionaires, so the fate of a few BA CC is way down on their list of priorities
Ancient Observer related, on 23 December 2010, that:
I wish that BA CC in bassa would do some half-intelligent investigations of SWP. Owned and run by millionaires, they have a completely destructive perspective, and don't let boring things like real workers and real people stand in their way
As their knowledge of BA CC is limited, they would seem to be one of the SWP members that have hijacked this dispute for their own strange ends, (or rather, the strange ends of the multi-millionaires that control SWP).
I ask only because there seems to be a great degree of dissimulation happening on "the other thread", and we would never descend to such stratagems here - or would we?
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Anyway, rather than answering where bassa have spent their net income of nearly 1 million pounds per annum over the last 5 years, they appear to be fixated about who paid £150 for the pccc's registration as a TU. £5 million versus £150!!!
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I'm pleased that someone has an interest in the facts. The Redgrave family run the SWP. Have done for about 40 years. Look up the Redgraves and the various branches of the family on Wiki. Then Google "Redgrave family and SWP".
Look for the Socialist Worker Online.
Vanessa used to take the lead, especially in demonstrations in London. Less so outside London.
Corin was a bit of a naughty boy when he was around. He left the SWP to join the WRP. That reminds me of the "What have the Romans ever done for us sketch", and the radical difference between the Judea Liberation front and the Front for the Liberation of Judea - who didn't speak to each other.
Of course, Corin being both the child of multi-millionaires, and one in his own right, went to Westminster school and Cambridge.
As both are smallish organisations, the SWP and the WRP often work together.
Lenin had a great phrase for those seduced by revolutionary violence. Lenin called those like the Redgraves "Useful idiots"
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I'm pleased that someone has an interest in the facts. The Redgrave family run the SWP. Have done for about 40 years. Look up the Redgraves and the various branches of the family on Wiki. Then Google "Redgrave family and SWP".
Look for the Socialist Worker Online.
Vanessa used to take the lead, especially in demonstrations in London. Less so outside London.
Corin was a bit of a naughty boy when he was around. He left the SWP to join the WRP. That reminds me of the "What have the Romans ever done for us sketch", and the radical difference between the Judea Liberation front and the Front for the Liberation of Judea - who didn't speak to each other.
Of course, Corin being both the child of multi-millionaires, and one in his own right, went to Westminster school and Cambridge.
As both are smallish organisations, the SWP and the WRP often work together.
Lenin had a great phrase for those seduced by revolutionary violence. Lenin called those like the Redgraves "Useful idiots"
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Funding for the PCCC at £150 is an issue...seriously???
Can we please keep ourselves grounded in reality. You can spend that on a dinner for two or four on sushi...and all of the sudden its an issue????
You have a Union that has been collecting hundreds of thousands of pounds from its membership...and then collecting hundreds of thousands of pounds from other divisions for their cause...and we are questioning £150.00?
Oh the drama. That a group of like-minded Cabin Crew outside of BASSA could come up with £150.00. Would that even pay for the Bouncy Castle at Bedfont???
Can we please keep ourselves grounded in reality. You can spend that on a dinner for two or four on sushi...and all of the sudden its an issue????
You have a Union that has been collecting hundreds of thousands of pounds from its membership...and then collecting hundreds of thousands of pounds from other divisions for their cause...and we are questioning £150.00?
Oh the drama. That a group of like-minded Cabin Crew outside of BASSA could come up with £150.00. Would that even pay for the Bouncy Castle at Bedfont???
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I do like that other forum. They use words on there that I had to look up in Wikipedia, unfortunately they were all blacklisted! 
I especially liked the HUW strap line of the pilots being paid 40% more than market rate. I wonder where he got that one from as LH/AF/KLM etc are running far better pay than BA have. Oddly enough I have a feeling that quite a chunk of the wage bill goes to the pilots in most airlines!
BALPA ended up in an impasse over Openskies however it was then generally accepted by the membership that BALPA didn't have the power to stop BA operating another AOC in a seperate country. However, by negotiation, BALPA have placed protections against undermining UK operations. Sadly BASSA haven't had such foresight. Neither did BALPA condone or deny any member their wish to operate as VCC. Oddly enough, as consenting adults, we were all left to make that decision ourselves based upon our own overview of the situation. Couple that with exhaustive briefings by BALPA on their take on the companies position and accurate financial briefings I think we can now see why some pilots and many, many groundstaff took up the mantle.
Makes for a fun, unmoderated read though!
I especially liked the HUW strap line of the pilots being paid 40% more than market rate. I wonder where he got that one from as LH/AF/KLM etc are running far better pay than BA have. Oddly enough I have a feeling that quite a chunk of the wage bill goes to the pilots in most airlines!
BALPA ended up in an impasse over Openskies however it was then generally accepted by the membership that BALPA didn't have the power to stop BA operating another AOC in a seperate country. However, by negotiation, BALPA have placed protections against undermining UK operations. Sadly BASSA haven't had such foresight. Neither did BALPA condone or deny any member their wish to operate as VCC. Oddly enough, as consenting adults, we were all left to make that decision ourselves based upon our own overview of the situation. Couple that with exhaustive briefings by BALPA on their take on the companies position and accurate financial briefings I think we can now see why some pilots and many, many groundstaff took up the mantle.
Makes for a fun, unmoderated read though!
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perhaps slightly off the thread but....
My thoughts:
I no longer book flights with BA just in case. I used to travel on BA about 10-15 times a year.
I have my views on the strike(s) but really I am not particularly interested in what BA CC's gripes are. I am interested in getting from A to B.
I am sure I am not alone.
A shame really.
My thoughts:
I no longer book flights with BA just in case. I used to travel on BA about 10-15 times a year.
I have my views on the strike(s) but really I am not particularly interested in what BA CC's gripes are. I am interested in getting from A to B.
I am sure I am not alone.
A shame really.
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Thank you for your prompt response, Ancient Observer. The scales have now fallen from my eyes!
Yes, why not? It is far, far better than any television soap opera.
ManfredvonRichthofen:
You, me and thousands of other discomfited BA passengers.
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You, me and thousands of other discomfited BA passengers.
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Which dispute?
Isn't the fact that BASSA have sanctioned that DH & Co will stay in office until "this dispute is over" a fundamental admission that "this" dispute i.e. the recent ballot is a continuance of "that" dispute i.e. that which resulted in IA in 2010.
How can the BASSA officers then possibly take a position that the current dispute is not related to the previous one when they have sanctioned their own extensions to office on the basis that it is the same disppute.
Should make an easy target for the BA legal team.
Have I missed something?
How can the BASSA officers then possibly take a position that the current dispute is not related to the previous one when they have sanctioned their own extensions to office on the basis that it is the same disppute.
Should make an easy target for the BA legal team.
Have I missed something?
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Bassa's Funds and accounts.
This does need addressing. If mis-use of funds has occured an extraordinary meeting should have been called. There are serious issues to answer and perhaps Unite should be questioned.
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BALPA ended up in an impasse over Openskies however it was then generally accepted by the membership that BALPA didn't have the power to stop BA operating another AOC in a seperate country. However, by negotiation, BALPA have placed protections against undermining UK operations
Damage limitation and well done for it.
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10,478 or 12,982 or 13,549, or 14,706 or 15,132
On 10 January 2010 Brian Boyd, the National Officer of Unite the Union said that the membership of Bassa was 8975._ However on the cabin crew thread at least one poster still talks of this membership as being 10,000.
Can any BA CC give me the correct figure for the total number within the working group that these 8975 come from._ The most common figure bandied about is 13,000, but I always suspect round figures like 10 inches in a foot, they are can be as much as 20% in error._
Please tell me - what is the figure that PCCC is looking at with a view to obtaining 40% thereof?_ I discount Mixed Crew because they are a different working group.
Can any BA CC give me the correct figure for the total number within the working group that these 8975 come from._ The most common figure bandied about is 13,000, but I always suspect round figures like 10 inches in a foot, they are can be as much as 20% in error._
Please tell me - what is the figure that PCCC is looking at with a view to obtaining 40% thereof?_ I discount Mixed Crew because they are a different working group.
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Of course it is important, it does not matter whether it is £150 or £150,000, a new union is in the process of emerging and funding should be transparent.
PCCC is an anonymous organization and it is time for it to step out into the light.
I really do think it is a shame that you have to post in a way that belittles someone with a different view.
Just because you do not seem to be able to agree with the the principle of equality, does not justify what is quite a spiteful rant.
The definition of spiteful from the Oxford Dictionary is "a desire to hurt, annoy or offend."
Funding for the PCCC at £150 is an issue...seriously???
Can we please keep ourselves grounded in reality. You can spend that on a dinner for two or four on sushi...and all of the sudden its an issue????
You have a Union that has been collecting hundreds of thousands of pounds from its membership...and then collecting hundreds of thousands of pounds from other divisions for their cause...and we are questioning £150.00?
Oh the drama. That a group of like-minded Cabin Crew outside of BASSA could come up with £150.00. Would that even pay for the Bouncy Castle at Bedfont???
Can we please keep ourselves grounded in reality. You can spend that on a dinner for two or four on sushi...and all of the sudden its an issue????
You have a Union that has been collecting hundreds of thousands of pounds from its membership...and then collecting hundreds of thousands of pounds from other divisions for their cause...and we are questioning £150.00?
Oh the drama. That a group of like-minded Cabin Crew outside of BASSA could come up with £150.00. Would that even pay for the Bouncy Castle at Bedfont???
PCCC is an anonymous organization and it is time for it to step out into the light.
I really do think it is a shame that you have to post in a way that belittles someone with a different view.
Just because you do not seem to be able to agree with the the principle of equality, does not justify what is quite a spiteful rant.
The definition of spiteful from the Oxford Dictionary is "a desire to hurt, annoy or offend."
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The total number of BA cabin crew given by the airline when the last ballot result was announced was 13,500. This will include international cabin crew at bases such as SIN, NRT etc.
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Well, JdS, I think it's safe to assume that those involved in setting up the PCCC have actually ensured that those WHO NEED TO KNOW will have all the details regarding funding, the names of those involved/running the PCCC, etc. In other words, the "transparency" will be there as far as regulatory bodies goes.
Since they are not fully up and running YET, why should they tell the world and it's dog who is in charge, etc? They have satisfied the regulators and, going by the comments read elsewhere by BASSA acolytes, why should they face the prospect of some severe victimisation by these people for daring to do something that opposes their "view"?
The time will come when they, the PCCC, will tell everyone who is who (bearing in mind that they are still in the infancy stage) but, right now, they have satisfied the regulators in regard to all details regarding funding, who is who, etc, so that is, realistically, all they have to do right now.
Since they are not fully up and running YET, why should they tell the world and it's dog who is in charge, etc? They have satisfied the regulators and, going by the comments read elsewhere by BASSA acolytes, why should they face the prospect of some severe victimisation by these people for daring to do something that opposes their "view"?
The time will come when they, the PCCC, will tell everyone who is who (bearing in mind that they are still in the infancy stage) but, right now, they have satisfied the regulators in regard to all details regarding funding, who is who, etc, so that is, realistically, all they have to do right now.
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Yes the latest incarnation of "PiB" has gone to ground in the face of a very simple question about how a BASSA member goes about seeing where or on whom their money is being spent.
No surprise there then!
No surprise there then!
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900 from 2885 non-voters
It is of course possible for a CC member to belong to both BASSA and PCCC.
Total crew number 13500 (from LD12986)
40% of 13500 = 5400
This 5400 could come from non-union members, those who voted NO in the most recent election, and the third set would need to be some of those who were non-voting members.
1) Non-union are 13500 minus 10220 = 3280, but say 3000.
2) NO voters = 1579, but say 1500.
3) 900 are needed from the 2885 non-voters.
The 900 from the non-voters won’t be easy._ It will take some time - and probably needs a guarantee from PCCC that any member on the old contract can stay on that old contract for as long as he/she chooses.
Total crew number 13500 (from LD12986)
40% of 13500 = 5400
This 5400 could come from non-union members, those who voted NO in the most recent election, and the third set would need to be some of those who were non-voting members.
1) Non-union are 13500 minus 10220 = 3280, but say 3000.
2) NO voters = 1579, but say 1500.
3) 900 are needed from the 2885 non-voters.
The 900 from the non-voters won’t be easy._ It will take some time - and probably needs a guarantee from PCCC that any member on the old contract can stay on that old contract for as long as he/she chooses.
Why is it that it seems to be accepted by most the Bassa should declare all in a transparent way, but the PCCC should not?
Either they both should, or both should not.
Either they both should, or both should not.
I see Hiflyer has commented upon the PCCC funds in general (there aren't any yet) and the £150 in particular (no registration fee paid) on the other thread. I look forward to details of BASSA's millions in return
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Why is it that it seems to be accepted by most the Bassa should declare all in a transparent way, but the PCCC should not?
Either they both should, or both should not.
Either they both should, or both should not.
Nevertheless, it is undeniable which of the two is currently a bigger question.