BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions IV
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TROLLS et al .........
Reading the other thread, it is interesting to see that the Troll CCCP, appears to have lost control of itself to DH. When you read the style (wrong word surely) of the latest ranting, the wording is so very reminiscent of DH's latest rantings from BASSA.
However, at least the posts are disclosing the amount of pure hatred that BASSA and/or DH have, for anything that is really starting to threaten their version of/and control of reality and future income.
One interesting question that could be asked of BASSA, is what/who now consists of their list of Reps, given that among the number of staff that have been dismissed, were supposedly some BASSA Reps. Is there a current list of Reps?. When was the last branch management meeting of BASSA held, i.e. management - not mass meetings, and are the minutes from that meeting available to any BASSA member on the website?
I would not suggest holding your breath waiting for an answer!!.
However, at least the posts are disclosing the amount of pure hatred that BASSA and/or DH have, for anything that is really starting to threaten their version of/and control of reality and future income.
One interesting question that could be asked of BASSA, is what/who now consists of their list of Reps, given that among the number of staff that have been dismissed, were supposedly some BASSA Reps. Is there a current list of Reps?. When was the last branch management meeting of BASSA held, i.e. management - not mass meetings, and are the minutes from that meeting available to any BASSA member on the website?
I would not suggest holding your breath waiting for an answer!!.
I would have thought that DH would be too busy this week fighting his Unfair Dismissal case to post on the other thread, though you could be right.
Anyway, I've sent CCCP a PM to cordially invite him over to "our" SLF thread so we can debate with him. No response received however. It would appear that the views of the passengers he is employed to look after (or was employed to look after if it is DH) is of no interest
Anyway, I've sent CCCP a PM to cordially invite him over to "our" SLF thread so we can debate with him. No response received however. It would appear that the views of the passengers he is employed to look after (or was employed to look after if it is DH) is of no interest
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Let's go back to that Telegraph article for a minute.
This caught my eye
Now, I don't know what the actual requirement is in their contracts but surely turning up for pre-flight briefings would be a mandatory requirement so they, the cabin crew, would know of anything "unusual" on their flight.
Was that just a bit of "journalistic licence" or is that an actual proposal from some Bassamaniac and would such an action lead to disciplinary action due to any failure to attend the briefing?
Another route that could lead to is directly into BA's hands. You don't turn up for the briefing, you don't fly, you don't get paid, you are deemed to be "on strike" and if that strike is unprotected then you better hope McDonalds are hiring...........
This caught my eye
withdrawing goodwill - such as turning up early for pre-flight briefings.
Was that just a bit of "journalistic licence" or is that an actual proposal from some Bassamaniac and would such an action lead to disciplinary action due to any failure to attend the briefing?
Another route that could lead to is directly into BA's hands. You don't turn up for the briefing, you don't fly, you don't get paid, you are deemed to be "on strike" and if that strike is unprotected then you better hope McDonalds are hiring...........
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I think what they mean is they claim that the CSD (Chief Steward/ess) has to turn up earlier than their nominal report time in order to print out the briefing paperwork. Withdrawing this goodwill would potentially have an affect on punctuality, especially on LH flights.
withdrawing goodwill - such as turning up early for pre-flight briefings.
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@ hellsbrink & TopBunk ... that's the tightrope that people are going to have to tread.
Does the CSD's T&C require a slightly earlier report time to print things?
Or is that simple 'good will'?
Does the CSD's T&C require a slightly earlier report time to print things?
Or is that simple 'good will'?
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The last we heard from BASSA was that Unite was seeking an opinion from Counsel. Whatever the likely impact of IA, I think if Unite deny BASSA a strike all hell is going to break loose between BASSA and Unite.
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I am led to believe the BASSA's QC has dropped a little bombshell to DH over the weekend over the strike position.
Also that there is now a large difference of opinion
amongst the reps as to what to do next.
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afaik the CSD's have the same report times as the rest of the cabin crew.
I am led to believe the BASSA's QC has dropped a little bombshell to DH over the weekend over the strike position.
Also that there is now a large difference of opinion
amongst the reps as to what to do next.Hellsbrink
afaik the CSD's have the same report times as the rest of the cabin crew.
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As quoting dictionary definitions seems to be becoming de rigeur here, might I respectfully point out that "rabid" is an adjective describing an animal or a person suffering from rabies?
One of the main symptoms of that disease is foaming at the mouth. The only person, currently contributing on these threads, who appears to be "rabid" is a new but prolific contributor to the "other" thread.
One of the main symptoms of that disease is foaming at the mouth. The only person, currently contributing on these threads, who appears to be "rabid" is a new but prolific contributor to the "other" thread.
Rabid:- going to extreme lengths in expressing or pursuing a feeling, interest, or opinion <rabid editorials> <a rabid supporter>
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As you say, it could apply to that person also....
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Originally Posted by TopBunk
I am led to believe the BASSA's QC has dropped a little bombshell to DH over the weekend over the strike position.
Ooops ... that's again sort of The Somme, isn't it. 'Lions led by Donkeys', and the General tends his tomatoes while the troops all get slaughtered.
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Interesting. If what you are hearing is accurate perhaps the "guerilla" tactics that Mr. Holley speaks of are all they have left.
It should make an intruiging post by Mr. Holley to his members. If true I imagine that BASSA will want to issue something to its members rather than have damage done through rumour.
Though Mr. Holley was otherwise engaged today wasn't he.
Interesting. If what you are hearing is accurate perhaps the "guerilla" tactics that Mr. Holley speaks of are all they have left.
It should make an intruiging post by Mr. Holley to his members. If true I imagine that BASSA will want to issue something to its members rather than have damage done through rumour.
Though Mr. Holley was otherwise engaged today wasn't he.
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I would hate to suggest that 'end game' is imminent, Diplome, but I think reality may be starting to be imposed.
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Well, it makes for a fun game of "What next" doesn't it? lol
I believe that Top Bunk must feel relatively confident about his sources or he would have been a bit more reserved in his posting, and he is certainly not the only individual insinuating that the message from counsel was not quite what BASSA wanted to hear.
I have to agree with LD12986 that even if the "end" is near, its not going to be pretty...and I believe that CC89 are likely to make as much of a fuss as BASSA. I still can't quite understand a Union being so militant (referring to CC89) towards striking when the vast majority of their members obviously don't support it.
This is certainly a time of opportunity for the PCCC and BASSA and CC89 have done much of the PCCC's recruiting for them. Incredible.
Well, it makes for a fun game of "What next" doesn't it? lol
I believe that Top Bunk must feel relatively confident about his sources or he would have been a bit more reserved in his posting, and he is certainly not the only individual insinuating that the message from counsel was not quite what BASSA wanted to hear.
I have to agree with LD12986 that even if the "end" is near, its not going to be pretty...and I believe that CC89 are likely to make as much of a fuss as BASSA. I still can't quite understand a Union being so militant (referring to CC89) towards striking when the vast majority of their members obviously don't support it.
This is certainly a time of opportunity for the PCCC and BASSA and CC89 have done much of the PCCC's recruiting for them. Incredible.
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We shall see ... IMO, PCCC is for the future and will be the decision of the CC, not the SLF.
What is needed now is the removal, one way or another, of the detrimental [to BA and the passengers/customers] influence of DH, BASSA and the SWP clingons.
Once reality has been restored, I'm basically unconcerned about which Union or Council represents CC. I know they need representation ... I'm convinced [from my reading over the last couple of years] that BASSA is not the 'organisation' to give them that.
What is needed now is the removal, one way or another, of the detrimental [to BA and the passengers/customers] influence of DH, BASSA and the SWP clingons.
Once reality has been restored, I'm basically unconcerned about which Union or Council represents CC. I know they need representation ... I'm convinced [from my reading over the last couple of years] that BASSA is not the 'organisation' to give them that.
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I used to be of the mind that changing BASSA from within was the way to go but I no longer think that is possible. The negativity, anger, and view of BA as the enemy in all things is just too entrenched.
The selfish part of me only thinking in terms of SLF can easily accept and look forward to the demise of a Union that causes so many problems for their customers.
However, another part of me sees it as the unfortunate situation that it is...a waste of opportunity for a Union to do well.
Cabin Crew being represented by a reasonable, pro-active and positive Union is good for not only BA but for SLF also. I hope they get there.
I used to be of the mind that changing BASSA from within was the way to go but I no longer think that is possible. The negativity, anger, and view of BA as the enemy in all things is just too entrenched.
The selfish part of me only thinking in terms of SLF can easily accept and look forward to the demise of a Union that causes so many problems for their customers.
However, another part of me sees it as the unfortunate situation that it is...a waste of opportunity for a Union to do well.
Cabin Crew being represented by a reasonable, pro-active and positive Union is good for not only BA but for SLF also. I hope they get there.
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Been away, but to ressurect the PCCC funding question, certainly in the early days and I have no reason to doubt that and I suspect still. The funding comes form the pockets of the founding members, their supporters and other interested folk, no money has ever come directly from BA.
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I'm not going to second guess what will happen next. Something has to happen over the next couple if weeks and we'll know when any announcement is made, but the Unite leadership has evidently been caught between a rock and a hard place, a company that refuses to be kowtowed by militancy and recalitrant branches. Its reluctance to reballot was clearly in evidence when it pulled the rug under the "10.10.10" ballot announcement, thus denying BASSA a Christmas strike threat.
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I suspect DH will carry on trying to push his troops across 'No Man's Land" into the face of oncoming fire from BA.
My money is on the union leadership gathering outside the BASSAbunker at Bedfont FC (DH's greenhouse, if wet) and collectively swallowing suicide pills - tomato fertiliser for the vegans.
The Beloved Leader's last will and testament will place the blame for "the absolutely necessary, unfairly prolonged and glorious struggle with the reactionary capitalist lackey known as Willy Walsh, aided and abetted by his cruel and uncaring minion and sadistic slavemaster, BF" squarely on the shoulders of BA passengers, the Bailiff of Jersey and Hillingdon Council's dustcart drivers.
Yes, I know the last statement is totally ridiculous, but no less so than this entire sad, sorry and pointless dispute.
There is one person I do genuinely feel very sorry for, nevertheless, and that is a certain cabin attendant who lives in a largish town in mid-Kent. She fervently believes in the BASSA cause, and has fought valiantly for her principles. In her heart of hearts, she is no doubt feeling very let down and betrayed by her union leaders.
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